Ryo has some fucked up personality... How can you be in love with somebody you're not looking up to ? Seriously : I'm in love cause I can focus on something else that my job ?
He's definitely trash. Raped the man at first, avoided him without giving him any explanation before barging into his apartment and corner him, Throwing tantrums like a little kid, being an ass to work with and always trashing the uke personality (which is not so great to, yes, I know. But at least, he's not looking down on his lover)...
If I see why the uke is in love, I can't see any love from the seme.
Now that you say it like that... true. He's not that great.
I think waht you said is quite stupid. You can be in love wirh someone without "looking up to them". I agree that seme isn't perfect but who is? Everything else is just stupid
Hmm, no. If you're not looking up to them, if you don't find anything else than "His face is intense and I can focus on something else than my job" to like about them, if you're always thinking that your lover sucks at his job, if you're always making fun of him and looking down on him (like : "I can't work for somebody who can't have an incapable superior around his finger" bitch, you're fuckin' talking about your lover. And that's not the first time you're fuckin' rude.), sorry but you're not in love.
I never said that the seme needs to be perfect. But that's far from the point. I can let go the rapey trope, as we see it in most of the yaois. But even without it:
We have a seme who would always test his lover to confirm his feelings (and that pretty exhausting), a seme who would find normal to think that his lover is cheating on him at the first occasion, a seme who's using sex as a punishment (at least at first.) and finally a seme who'll have a fuckin' blank expression when his lover ask why he loves him.
Sorry, I'm not in this kind of stories where the uke is dominated. That's rotten. The seme is asking for proofs of love when he doesn't give a shit to do the same. That's not an healthy relationship, at all. M T is completely dominated.
Agreed. I don't the "looking up" either.
I don't get the part either. Ah fuck my spelling （￣へ￣）
Hmm, no. If you're not looking up to them, if you don't find anything else than "His face is intense and I can focus on something else than my job" to like about them, if you're always thinking that your lover sucks at his job, if you're always making fun of him and looking down on him (like : "I can't work for somebody who can't have an incapable superior around his finger" bitch, you're fuckin' talking about your lover. And that's not the first time you're fuckin' rude.), sorry but you're not in love.
I never said that the seme needs to be perfect. But that's far from the point. I can let go the rapey trope, as we see it in most of the yaois. But even without it:
We have a seme who would always test his lover to confirm his feelings (and that pretty exhausting), a seme who would find normal to think that his lover is cheating on him at the first occasion, a seme who's using sex as a punishment (at least at first.) and finally a seme who'll have a fuckin' blank expression when his lover ask why he loves him.
Sorry, I'm not in this kind of stories where the uke is dominated. That's rotten. The seme is asking for proofs of love when he doesn't give a shit to do the same. That's not an healthy relationship, at all. M T is completely dominated.
Oh chill dude.. How can everyone be perfect in the relationship? Anyway, not looking up to someone, but likes them is normal. For me, if I look up to someone, I'd treat them like god (like Beyonce). I wouldnt wanna fuck them..
And considering he's a workaholic. People who LOVE to work. Being able to focus on sth that's not work means that sth is EQUALLY important or lovable. That means he really cares about the boss..
You know, not everyone has to act lovey dovey spilling sweet words. And you're not gonna know how to act properly all the fucking time, so it's fine. They have mutual feelings in the end..
So always trashing your boyfriend cause you don't need to respect them is okay? Wow, that's new.
Did he tho?
Hooooy, the uke is so stupid... Naïve as fuck with the common trope of "I am not good with people cause I am a loner." Fuck me in the aaaaass. "I need to kiss you and suck you off for a medical examination. - Oh really ?" Oh, guess we have a maiden.
Everybody is trashing the seme when it was never wrotten that they are in couple or whatever. They are just sex friends. When you are sex friend with a person, you don't expect them to sleep with just you and you don't throw a tantrum because he slept with over people. Seriously. Everybody is slut shaming him when the reality is just : Bitch is a sex-addict and is enjoying himself.
Why do everybody expect the seme to be trust-worthy ? They are just sex friends. And slept together once. If I was the seme and my sex-friend ran away cause I slept with other peoples, I would just be : Well, what did you expect ? Imma not gonna marry you, you know.
Honestly true. I ain’t here to commit to a 5 years relationship of the the same sex every fucking day i like my men like I like my food, diverse and delicious.
Exactly ! I'm in a serious relationship right now and I'm not gonna sleep around. But before that, I had tons of sex-friends and I would not allow anybody to call me a slut just cause I enjoy sex.
All I can say about it is that if you are in a sex-friendship, it means that you are first in a friendship. Wish means that you're not romantically involved with the person you're sleeping with. People really need to make a distinction between sex and love, jeez.
The manga is poorly written, seriously. Why does the uke care about the fact that the seme sleeps around ? I mean, that's just slut-shaming. He doesn't love him or whatever but is mad nonetheless ? Yeah sure.
I see in the comments that a lot a persons are complaining cause the manga is all about sex... Well, no ? It's about their relationship. How they meet, how they end up living together, how they go on vacations and yeah, how they have sex.
I dunno, I liked this one cause it's refreshing. No shitty personalities, an healthy relationship, no stupids and unbelievable events... Just the daily life of two lovers. This manga is a realistic one, that's for sure.
Bless this comment. It sucks how ppl hate on this manga like it’s the only bl EVER that’s centered more on their intimacy than unnecessary drama...if yall so bothered go read some shounen ai, or at least keep in mind the genres this manga is tagged under
Exactly! It's realistic. I mean, if I had a manga drawing my every-day life with my lover, it would looks exactly the same. This manga is realistic. No need for dramas, this is just intimacy.
THANK YOU I LOVE YOU BLESS YOU
I was literally about to comment and say something similar, someone said they stopped at the "second chapter" talking about there's no story, if they'd continue to read they would see a story smh
Well... It's not so bad. I mean, this is real life, guys. In real life, relationships are hard and difficult because the feeling of love is not always easy to understand. I mean... Jan is relatable. Like, a lot.
Yeah, he fucked up but at least, he tried to talk about his insecurities with his man. Because in a relationship, love comes with insecurities. And when he talked about it, his man just snapped and broke up with him, calling him selfish. Seriously ? No, Jan needed guts just to bring up the subject.
As for Ray... Well, I'm sorry but if you are really turned on by somebody who's really into you and not letting you go, plus if you are not in relationship, well... Yeah, you can make a mistake. Cause hey, you are human.
THIS TWO-FACED BASTARD. Hooo, boy, my pressure. My pressure's gone bad because of this black-haired asshole.
Okay, time for my review.
Well, what can I say ? I just read it because it won a price... Boy, I shouldn't... That was rushed. And I'm talking nicely there. I am actually disappointed. Like, how boy, I am. You want to read a good yaoi with zombies ? Just read "the unfeeling me". Oh, yeah, I know, this story has more chapters so It's better or whatever... But it's not even that... This story didn't let me be engrossed with the characters. What, they love each over ? How ? No. I never thought that it was the case. The feelings and the story were just rushed again and again and never would I thought that yeah, it was good.
It's kinda sad by the way. Cause the main story was kinda good. But the story telling was crap and the designs were stiff. So, maybe was it the first work of author and all I can do is cheering they on for what they did so far. But still... It wasn't good.
Yepp, it was just okay, seemed like a teenage disney or nickeloeon movie from the 00's , entertaining but not actually good. Idk why ppl are disliking your comment lol
Well... It can't be helped. I reread myself and the truth is that I was a little harsh. But noneless, I am still thinking that it wasn't good. More than that, I really thought that the doctor was just playing along with the zombie more than really loving him.
Actually I have to agree that there should have been more exploration with the characters but I feel like this was supposed to be a light read that's why the author didn't dig deeper.
Well, I don't know, I already read some light read with a better character introduction. The main thing is that I didn't fell any real love between the two MC so... I still don't think it's good. It's childish.
Is this dropped ? Man, the world needs more of this
Okay, I'm pissed off. What's with this sugar-coated rape? Oh, yeah, I know... "It's just fantaaaaaaaaaaaasy! That's okaaaay! Nanani-nananou..." Well, no, that's not okay. Studies and shit shows that representations of rape as something not important and not bad are a part of the rape culture. 'mnot gonna give you a free class, if you think it's okay cause it's just fantasy, well, educate yourself.
I'm fuckin' fed up with this manga. I am. I was letting go the rape trope at first (even if it puts me off.) but when the uke was sexually assaulted and punished by the seme??? What's kind of dumb fuck is that? That's so sick. That's so fuckin' sick.
And for all the smarts ass that are saying that the story is so good cause it's so angst and romantic... No, it's not. If you're not able to write a love story without the rape as an help to bring closer the characters, then you're just not a good writer. At all.
What you are saying is the same as *video games gives killing tendencies*. I mean, maybe theres a little of truth in it, but it’s really not that much. I guess 13 years old girls who reads a lot of yaois and dont get a proper education, maybe they will get they will think its normal. But do you see any comment here saying *its ok rape is normal in a relationship* ? I never saw such thing. Some people think the rapey scenes are exciting, others will think its disgusting and others will just continue and dont give a shit.
Im not saying you are wrong, maybe some people were influenced by yaois but the % is probably extremely low.
And technically, you are probably supposed to be an adult to buy yaois, and an adult most likely already has a way of thinking that wont be changed by reading yaois.
... The same that saying that video games gives killing tendencies ? Seriously? We're talking about representations, here. Not tendencies. Nobody's going to go out one day, after reading that to rape people. That's far more complex than just that.
You want to draw rape? Well, do it but show it's rape and not acceptable. This kind of representations are one of the kind which confuses victims. Cause the main character, even if he calls it rape himself, is not touched by it, it's normal and it's shows like not a big deal.
Well, in real life, that's not it. And when rape is always showed like "not a big deal" and a way to convey the feelings of the rapist, consequences can be sawn in real life. Cause it just penalise victims to recognise a sexual agression or rape as it is. It will lead to a denial and a victim-blaming most of the time. (Which has a big incidence on the psyche of the victim, obviously)
The problem as it is isn't only in Yaois. You have plenty of this kind of glamorization of sexual violence in the mainstream medias. That's the problem. We have a culture where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. This Yaoi is a perfect representation of it, and it fuckin' tires me out.
I aint gonna give a free class, if you want to educate yourself, I'll leave some links for you to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture
https://www.marshall.edu/wcenter/sexual-assault/rape-culture/
https://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-118?print
That s why yaoi is not something you read when you 're in your early 10 ... as an adult I'm able to enjoy the story as only a story... but when you 're like 12 and read such a thing ... girl ofc you 'll start thinking that assault and sexual harassment is normal and means love and romamce ... like your brain is so vergin for everything... this is why it is important to respect age restrictions... there is plently of shounen ai to read out there ....
Then get out from here
I'm 23 but thanks for the paternalism. That's not the point.
I'm just saying : This kind of representation arms people. Real people. Wake up.
Oh, so I can't say if I don't like something now? Enjoy or get the fuck out? Boy, we have a long way before...
This is funny you 're elder than me lol... well there are a lot of sweet shounen ai stories that'll let you enjoy how the romance goes smoothly without forcing any one ..... but i think it s different when it comes to yaoi ..yes , it s kinda disturbing sometimes how the plot
Can be kinda dark but I guess when it is yaoi nobody cares about the fact that the story is bad or about rape .... readers just enjoy the visuals and that s all ╮(￣▽￣)╭ ... personally I see yaoi only as a good visual material...and I enjoy the BL light novels for good story content
Yea...more than normalizing rape i see these yaois as the annoying clichés. Thats why before starting a manga, i often look at comments or just ask if stuff like *is there rape* because these shits are getting boring.
Thing is : That's not supposed to be a dark plot. I read Killing Stalking and as it was depicted, I didn't have any problems with the abuse scenes. Cause they were identified as it was.
I'm. just rephrasing myself here but : This kind of representations hurts real people. Showing the rape as okay and taking it lightly hurts real people. Cause this is the common representation of it.
And as it is, I read a lot of Yaoi where nobody was forced and everybody enjoyed the D. On and off, I have a boyfriend, Bodysuit fetish, Oblivious love factor... I can go on and on. Thing is : You need a rape scene as a pivot of your plot ? You're a lazy ass author.
Just stop supporting mangas where the rape is taken lightly. That's all. Wake up.
I get what your point is .... well it s true that this kind of story line helps in enlarging the rape circle and getting more people to accept this shitty idea as the start of every romance and the worst of all is that the uke gives up and falls in love with his raper lol which is classified as some psychology syndrome or something like that but obviously the authors will prioritize money over a good story line... like if that s what the nation wants give it to them ... everyone's satisfied and case closed... it s kinda sad how we indeed enjoy the " rape " scenes lol and obviously this is what works well these days in the yaoi business so i don't think it s gonna cool down any time soon (〜￣△￣)〜