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Romanticizing? In what ways? There's a fine line between fiction and reality. And I think readers are smart enough and are aware enough of the distinction of the two.

just because he is a criminal, doesnt mean his appearance should be bad. as kids, we were taught that bad guys/monsters look ugly and frightening. as we grow up, we can see that's not true. that's it.

I think it's pretty obvious what the author was trying to portray, by the way of drawing and scenes.. the way the bodies alone are drawn to perfection has an intent to romanticize.. don't get what you're saying about fine-line though.. how old are you to even be talking about fiction and reality.. geez..

Pretty sure he/she's more mature than you, if you've been triggered by a civil statement/question. Just because the art is "pretty" doesn't automatically mean the author intended it for romanticizing purposes. Just because it's in a form of pretty drawing doesn't automatically make its contents any less grave than it should be. Romanticizing is pretty subjective and depends upon how a person interprets the work.

What are you talking about? Just dislike my comment and be done with it. Don't spout nonsense and topics you assume and know nothing about. Gah, can't a reader just have fun and comment. People are so serious all the time, this isn't the classroom and lit class.

That's why the comment section has a reply button. To discuss a piece of literature. You don't need to be in a classroom to do such a thing. Why? Because for them it's interesting and/or fun.

I agree. Clearly that anon doesn't know what they are talking about. It's clearly not about the art being "pretty" but abut framing: what the author chooses to include in a frame and what they choose to leave out. Showing so much of a character's body parts that would usually becovered beneath clothing, and doing it so often, has the same intend as showing all the graphic details in a sex scene, and doing it in lots of different, graphic, sex scenes. If they don't think that doesn't hint at author's intention, individual readers' interpretation notwthstanding, then they should at least take a storyboard course in order to chip in this conversation.

There's nothing wrong if the work is romanticized. Because people are smart enough to know it's just fiction. That was my point. You seem to be under the impression that I replied to your post with hostility? Because I wasn't.

Also, it's best if you lay off of your ad hominems. Be a good sport. You don't have to make it personal just because you didn't like what you heard. Handle yourself with decorum next time.

You used an Ignoratio elenchi "There's a fine line between fiction and reality" and a generalization "people are smart enough to know it's just fiction". And you wonder why the original poster got triggered?

I think I made my point clear to you in the comment above to justify my first comment. It's quite very relevant to the post, I have not subdued to the elenchi principle. Remember decorum. @annehime

I even generalized, so that there isn't any attack on the person itself. Also because it applies to other people to so ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

In case you skipped this:

"There's nothing wrong if the work is romanticized. Because people are smart enough to know it's just fiction. That was my point."

Why get triggered to such a non-hostile, civil statement?

You wer taught that? I wasnt, nobody told me what bad guys should look like, only how they act, I'm not surrounded by superficial people, and then there's also the news so..

My point exactly, the body language and the framing and the psychological insinuation of that.. that's why I'm wondering if I'm replying to a kid or something.. Preaching about 'judging through superficial looks' is so kindergarten.. I'm just letting them be.

You see things as black and white. Some people are taught not to judge a book by its cover. Look at Sangwoo, he's a fucking saint to other people. Clearly he's the devil incarnate.

Did you not read the replies above? Lol

Clearly not.

Lol ignorance is a bliss.

you're not surrounded by superficial people, you're just torn because although he's a sociopath he's also hot. alright. makes sense.

It's not about whether he's hot or not, it's about how the author chooses to exploit it during the story, and whether it's in a context where it is necessary for the story, or not... Whether it's important to give depth to the story and/or make the plot move forward, or whether it's just fan service. In the case of Sangwoo's physical appearance, part of it is relevant to the plot to justify the fact that many of the other characters don't find him suspicious at all, out of their own superficially-mindedness. However, we've been shown panels of just him and Bum, or of him alone with many of his clothes off, even though there was no other character around that Sangwoo had to "seduce" with his physical appeal in order to distract them from uncovering his own dark secrets (Bum doesn't count because he already knows them). That was clearly fan service.. It's the same as when that police dude took his top off for the first time: there was no plot point so far that required the reader to see the character with his body on display at that particular time. It was clearly fan service.
Granted, this is yaoi and of course we're going to get fan service: that's a given. However, this story has a very unusual plot for a yaoi story, in the sense that it's a full-on suspense/thriller, unlike the usual dark yaoi stories which don't usually go this deep and far to fully contextualize and develop their suspense/thriller plotlines. That's why it's to be expected that some readers may wonder whether this is even a yaoi story to begin with, or whether it's "appropiate" to go about writing a story with such "controversial" topics and themes as a yaoi rather than a mere suspense/thriller, since the story also being framed as yaoi (and not just as suspense/triller) will inevitably lead to it having lots more of fan service than if it was merely classified as suspense/thriller.
Anyway, I think all this is merely the basis of what we all need to keep into account in order to be able to debate this matter somewhat seriously.

yeah I'm not gonna read all that sorry my comment was in response to op's "why the author need to draw sangwoo like a demi-god" to which the answer is ~cause that's how u write/draw a sociopath, narcissism /perfectionism is their thing. that's it. ppl romanticize them irl because of their charm. Ted Bundy was real.

Exactly. Which is why I said some of it is needed for the sake of story-telling, lol.
I only said that some of it is for the sake of the story, whereas some other times it's clearly for fan service, just like with the police dude showing his amazing body, etc. (not saying irl cops can't have that body, lmao).
Can't say irl all sociopaths are as attractive as Sangwoo, lol. Though they'd probably want to...

*want to be.

Did you not understand my reply? Or are you new to English? You apparently judged people by the cover, before you were taught by whoever.. meanwhile, I was saying that where I grew up, physical appearance doesn't matter. So the concept of You needing someone to teach you something BASIC like monsters can look handsome is very IDIOTIC to me., Since you needed someone to tell you that? Geez, that preschool understanding. Did you only grow up watching DISNEY? Even Pokemon and Sailor Moon fans know that villains are mostly beautiful.. IDIOT.

You obviously didn't take literature 101. There a new concept that's growing.

1990's: villains are beautiful and ugly. Protagonists are beautiful and ugly.. therefore: VILLAINS BEING HOT AND BEAUTIFUL is OLD NEWS. watch SAILORMOON or Pokemon if you're in grade school RN.
1996- mainstream protagonists can be physically flawed.

The trend right now, and this is an eye-opener for you.. is not beauty.. but PSYCHOLOGICALLY making the villain HUMANE and EVIL. CARING and RUTHLESS.

Daaaaaamn boy, stop reading manga for a while and read GAME OF THRONES.

AGAIN.. GAME OF THRONES.

You obviously didn't take literature 101. Theres a new concept that's growing now.

But let me cover this for you first.

1990's: villains are beautiful and ugly. Protagonists are beautiful and ugly.. therefore: VILLAINS BEING HOT AND BEAUTIFUL is OLD NEWS. watch SAILORMOON or Pokemon if you're in grade school RN.
1996- mainstream protagonists can be physically flawed.

The trend right now, and this is an eye-opener for you.. is not beauty.. but PSYCHOLOGICALLY making the villain HUMANE and EVIL. CARING and RUTHLESS.

Daaaaaamn boy, stop reading manga for a while and read GAME OF THRONES.

AGAIN.. GAME OF THRONES.

Educate yourself before you comment.. it's like talking about sine and cosine to someone who can't even add.. jeez..

Is it really that hard to have a decent conversation without name calling and hostility. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

op, what the hell.

your first comment, the one that started all this, was just a mess. you seemed to be very confused about the authors motives? about sangwoo. I just laid down some very simple concept.
I don't - and honestly I don't want to- know where u grew up but (and okay yeah I guess this depends on how old you are but in my time,) kids books villains are ugly. witches and monsters. or did u think I meant to imply that my parents or "the people around me" were vain and tried to teach me not to trust ugly people? lmao.

I have no idea what game of thrones has to do with this and I don't care anymore.

are u 12? cause someone older than that discussing things like you do would just be embarrassing. if you are 12 though, or just younger than 18, I rest my case.

Well apparently in the Philippines, people are like that ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

"Nobody told me how bad guys should look like, only how they act like" My point is, before you rage around like a fucking hen, Sangwoo acts like a saint to other people. If we go by your logic, only judging "villains" by their actions, not just appearances is how you do things where you supposedly grew up. I won't even entertain the rest of your discrimnatory statements.

Oh and also

You automatically look for the worst in the conversation. Why not try to be civil and analyze if the person meant to be hostile? It shows your upbringing as a F lipino. You said it yourself, people judge you not by appearances, but how you act.

Nakakahiya ka bes. Kaya hindi umuunlad P lipinas eh.

Rather than like, it seems like Joohoon thinks of Jiwook as his plaything and wants to see how he'd react to certain things (i.e. Siwon' s rape & bullying). Of course that's just my opinion.

That's more appropriate. Romanticizing their relationship is kind of twisted and wrong to me.. haha and I like weird things and Ogawa Chise, but Jiwook is just an immature brat, and Joohoon is a psycho.

IKR!! we need the sane sangwoo!! And yup in yaoi manhwa or webtoon, it does sound so freakin erotic when the uke calling the seme "hyung" while in heat

Idk if it's 100% for justice.. he seems creepy and not right in the head sometimes haha but maybe it's just everyone's messed up in this manhwa

Haha... I see.. But have faith, don't be jaded by this manhwa! haha

no, he's not a psychopath. sangwoo has been seen with more sociopathic behaviors, a high functional and pro-social one. he had traumatic past with the father in his childhood, and we can see his affection toward his mother which could trigger him when hit on anytime.

Oh shut the fuck up

Good riddance

if you are not happy with the opinion from others, then how about you find something else to divert your attention? this site, and the real life won't cater your childish request for no apparent reason.

Right back at ya ;) So again: shut the fuck up.

try harder, try again.

Wow, I've been reading 17. Nice to meet a fellow veterin fujoshi.

Whoops, I meant for 17 years. Damn the lack of an edit button T_T

Haha, hajimemashite