Sorry this one was crap. Just people making other people suffer because of their selfishness. All of them, the seme, the uke and the wife hurting each other. Sad story.
Welcome to life, where it is human nature.
Yeah, humans can be extremely ugly and disgusting. The same way as we can be noble and kind. Should I not think it is sad when I see someone acting in the first category?
Well, yeah, that's fine but your feelings pretty much describe 99% of manga, of any genre. It's how you create development and conflict. So while it's sad, it's hardly crap.
Maybe I didn't express myself correctly. The manga is not crap, the plot and characters were well constructed. What I considered crap was their behavior that made this manga the kind I don't like to read. If I wanted to see people acting in an ugly way I would go read newspaper, there is enough real sad situations there. And sorry but it doesn't describe 99% of the mangas, there are conflicts in all of them but not every character chooses to prioritise their selfishness, there are mangas that gives us a warm, gentle or redeeming feeling and characters that make us think that despite all the ugliness people can do good things sometimes and that people in trouble can be saved and save others. But that is my opinion, maybe because I don't have a positive opinion about mankind I like to read fiction that gives me some hope, doesn't mean others should think the same. Everyone is different, went through different situations and development and think different. I didn't dislike the manga because I don't understand real life and real humans but because I understand and can feel empaty, even in fiction I will think that other's pain is sad especially when they keep on hurting each other again and again and at the end are still going tho do that in the future. But again this is how I feel, everyone else is free to disagree and my opinion is not better that theirs just not the same.
That is a better way to say it but the two main characters took steps for redemption. The seme chose to turn himself in and made the cop get credit, as apology for sleeping with his wife. The uke knows he wasn't around, which he is sorry about and thus quit his job so his selfish actions couldn't continue. So it is the same as the 99% other mangas You and I mentioned.
I still think it is a sad history with too much suffering to be a good read. There is some redemption in the end but to me seems barren when compared to how much they hurt. And you can't say it is wrong because it is a matter of opinion in liking or not.
Of course 99% of the mangas are gonna be similar, actually 100% of them have something in common, they are all manga, depends where you decides put your line of cut to evaluate the similarities. If I like some manga and not another one doesn't it mean that to me they are not in the same category? Why do you insist in declare that what I consider to be different is equal? Couldn't they be the same to you but not to me? Or are you saying that you like every manga that you read without any kind of personal preference? I don't like the kind of attitude of the characters in this manga nor this kind of plot and I think there are a lot of other mangas that fits my taste thus they are different. Sure now that I know what this mangaka creates I won't read anymore, and of course that doesn't mean everyone else should do the same. There are a lot of people that like this kind of manga and they are not wrong, they are right, it is their opinion. But I am not wrong to.
I never said you couldn't have an opinion . This does indeed show the ugliness of humans. But your argument included 'redeeming' so the manga is hardly something special or original like you make it to be. Remember, this is fictional and isn't worth such hatred.
I never said it was original or unique, there are other similar and other different and everyone can choose how to classify them in groups of interest. And about the "redeeming" I said that even if there is some in the end, to my liking it is too little to compensate the suffering, but it is my liking others would think that it is sufficient. That doesn't make the manga special just puts it in my category of "not good to read"
Your first comment was "Welcome to life, where it is human nature." meaning the manga is good because it reflects real life and that my poor understanding about life made me not see the manga's worth. We already clarified that I didn't mean that the manga if bad just that I didn't like it, and that I didn't like it not because I didn't understand it but because I did. Than you insisted that 99% of the mangas are the same what would make my dislike of this manga nonsensical since I like the other 99%. I agreed with you that depending on where you put your referencial you can group all manga together or divide them in smaller groups and that is why I liked some manga but not this one and other similar since to me they go in different groups. Maybe I wasn't clear in my words and that is why you sensed "hatred" when I just wanted to make clear that I don't like to be taken as a fool, but I dont hate you or your comments, actually talking with someone that disagree of me using real arguments is refreshing and interesting.
So annoying!!! The girlfriend is THE pain in the ass.
we just gotta understand that he's not telling her anything and being super sketchy; i think she would react a little better if she understood how we the readers do
Nah she'll be creeped out for sure LOL
lmao true
I am not talking about the "cheating" incident (even if she did act kind of like a stalker), it is understandable that she would be suspicious of him. I just can't stomach her personality. She is annoying to the extreme.
well i can't say i respect her from stealing him from another girl and not expecting some loyalty/commitment problems from him.
The only way for this one to have a completely happy end is if the ghost is actually an wandering spirit and his body is in coma in some hospital.
lol!! This is awesome! The supposed "romantic interest" of the manga is doing something no maiden has done before!!
Who the hell Momoe thinks she is? "This one is no good at all" "I won't accept a guy who doesn't even have any ambitions, but if you think that you have to give it your all, then I am fine with that." She doesn't have the right to disapprove or even to approve anything, she is an ex, and not the only one. First: This is a relationship not work for christ's sake. second: Except for couples with kids in which the new relationship can affect the kid, an ex is an ex, they are not together anymore, she doesn't have "territorial rights" anymore. Her opinion has basically the same weight as the one of a stranger. Third: People that think they know what is better for someone else's relationship without even knowing the circumstances are a pain in the ass. They don't know. For their opinion to be useful or truthful they have to be imparcial and have access to as many details as possible about the relationship, otherwise it is just self indulgence. There are people that like "useless" lovers so that they can take care of them, there are those that like to be taken care off, and the ones that prefer independent lovers that won't botter that with useless stuff, caring lovers, passionate, agressive, manly, delicate, etc. There are countless kinds of relationships and lovers and, except for extreme, dangerous or degrading cases, and if you are a family member or a close friend, as long they are fine with each other nobody has nothing to do with it. So "this one is no good at all" for whom? For the manager that chose him? Forth: She pretends to disapprove of him because of his lacks in work but she is actually just spiteful for being rejected because her ex is now going out with someone else and above all the "someone else" is a guy. Go be hypocrite like that in hell. And no, I am not saying this because she is a girl in yaoi manga, I like a lot of those characters, she simply pisses me off. Uff! What outburst!
Somebody important, clearly >.>
I really hate girls like her in yaoi. I read one in which the seme had an ex-girlfriend (its that manga in which the uke made up a 'dating' club as an excuse to spend time with the seme) but she wasn't as bitchy as Momoe (or at all, really) nor did she claim how the uke wasn't 'good at all' for the seme. If anything, she made him realize that he should interact with the uke more so no misunderstands happen.
I really wish more females like her existed in yaoi....
i'm curious about the name of that.
Im sorry, I forgot the name. the summary is about a dating club being not really a dating club (or so I remember it) but Im sure that I faved it, so you can find it in my "Favorite Yaoi/Shounen-Ai" list :)
I also would love to know what manga that is but you have like 175 manga on that list XD I 'll just browse until I find it , might find more manga to read too , win -win I guess (>v<)b
Sorry! I read a lot xD I hope you found it :)
Komugi-chan is so manly! A shoujo manga female lead that I can respect and like.
(˘◡˘)
Imagine how funny it would be to see a double date with Mineta-kun and Koharu from here and Hiyori and Hirose-kun from "Hiyokoi". ヾ(☆▽☆)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/haru_x_kiyo/bt/186173/Ch1/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hiyokoi/mf/v01/c001/6/