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When you're in that much grief you don't exactly think straight when you lash out like that

Even so, it still makes him a shity person. Heck yesterday I watched documentary about a serial killer who killed 7 women because of the trauma he recieved as a child from him mom. He was lashing out a women and brutally raping and murdering them. I sympathised with his childhood, no child deserves to be abused by their parents BUT he was still an evil being for what he grew up to do to those 7 women he butchered!

Calling that evil is overexaggerating. He literally just lost a parent. Even though he was a shitty parent that still hurts. On top of that he now has to figure out how there gonna pay off the debt and he also has to just watch as his families things are being broken and his sister being threatened. Also, he was pretty adamant about not wanting Kangjin to visit his house.

Murder and saying hurtful things are 2 very different things. I recently lost my grandma and I am ashamed to say out of regret and intense emotion I've lashed out at my sibling and said some hurtful things. Does that make me an overall shitty person? I hope not. I'm pretty sure anger is a stage of mourning and even though Kangjin had good intentions when you're feeling that much emotion you really just need some time to recollect yourself (I don't think seme is a victim btw just very human in this scenario)

Lol go too hospital or psychiatrist if he is mental. Life is not all about him. Others have their own problem. I think uke problem is not as big as seme tho.

Even I think the same the seme Jungkwon has more problems compared to Kangjin and if he is mentally ill then he can just seek a doc for treatments and get better but in case of Jungkwon it's not like that life isn't easy for him at all

I called it evil because of the mental status of the Uke. He is mentally ill and suicidal, you can even see the mental toll this had on him in the raws plus the fact the whole situation almost triggered his suicidal tendency. The Seme was fully aware of the Uke's mental status. In no way is it right to verbally abuse a mentally sick person just because you're having a shitty day. I still stand by calling it evil, he even knew the Uke might kill himself and he didn't care. In some countries deliberately leading someone to kill themself is a criminal offence.

True. Life is not about him, in fact is life is not about anyone but yourself. If so why did the Seme even involve himself with the Uke to begin with? Why would anyone involve themselves with a mentally sick person only to make their life worse and trigger their suicidal tendency. The Seme didn't have to do that but he did, he even knew the Uke's mental status because the Uke had confided in him many times. He could have left at anytime. He could have left on better terms. Break up with him and involve the school counselor if the situation was too much for him to handle. There are so many people who leave their mentally ill friends, spouses and even family, it's never easy for people to care or be involved with mentally sick people but deliberately triggering the mentally illness and verbally abusing them for the heck of it is evil.

That was one extreme example I showed you. But saying hurtful things to a mentally sick person with a suicidal persona can also lead to death. You casually talk about saying hurtful things to your siblings, but do you know how many people have killed themselves due to being verbally tortured by their families? What would you do if your siblings end up killing themselves? You never know how people handle words internally so show a little kindness, if you cant then don't say anything at all. How many online people have been led to kill them selves due to hurtful words? This has even caused many countries to change their laws and include cyber bullying or verbal harassment leading to suicide as a criminal offense. To you it's nothing, but to many people out there it's life ending.

It's a little self centred to verbally attack someone based on the fact that you see your problems as more than theirs. This sort of mentally has led to many family members, work colleagues and school children to commite suicide because they are treated like shit by people who label them as better off. I agree, people with mental illnesses do need to look for help but the stigma around them prevents them from it. I also suffer from suicidal thoughts and depression but have never told anyone because people would most certainly react how you reacted. "Your life is easier for you so why your like that?" I've met so many people in my life and so many of them could have been kinder or just not have involved themselves with me at all. I'm 30 years old now and have dealt with the alone for over 17 years now. The Seme knew the Uke had mental issues but still verbally attacked him and even triggered his suicide. Many people around the world have killed themselves because other choose to use them as punching bags to let off some steam, it breaks my heart every single time.

Ok i think the seme only want to save him from suicide that's all but he the one who ask him to date him? And if not he will suicide again? I think anyone would accept it if there are in that situation. And you know i don't think the seme has time to think rationally with the family condition like that and him seems like the breadwinner of the family. The uke could patiently wait tho for the situation to calm down. Well he ignore the seme statement not to come to his home so he deserve all that. And i don't think the seme deliberately triggering it. It just the heat of the time and i don't think that count as verbal abuse???

You can refuse. He should have refused and in fact, he should have contacted the teachers instead of saving the UKE himself, so many things could have gone wrong. In no way is anyone obligated to deal with someone with mental issues. If someone asked you to date them or they'll hurt themselves would you say yes? Of cause not, I would tell the teachers and their parents. Again, from killers to petty offenders, everyone can have an excuse. I could choose to slap a random kid on the street right this moment and say it's because of my mental issues, however that won't make it right. The Seme CHOSE to involve himself with a mentally sick person then he CHOSE to verbally abuse that same mentally sick person and lead him to relapse and trigger his suicidal tendencies. No one with a conscious would do this to someone. So many people commit suicide because of verbal abuse. Do you know even in a company, if your boss or co worker verbally abuses someone with harsh and hurtful words and that someone goes on to commit suicide they are liable to beign sued and even arrested? This also applies to online verbal attacks. Verbally harrassing someone online leading to their suicide can lead you to prison in many counties. Its agaisnt the law because people have recognised this sort of behaviour as terrible and not excusable.

Ahahha lol i think the moment he contacted he already fall and die. So yes i think he should refuse too. He should ignore it and let him fall and died from excessive bleeding and least worst became comatose or disable. No need to play 'date' and the uke will not trigger another his mental 'illness' cause he is dead or unmovable and didn't meet the seme. Then there's no need to create the story the end. So back to the verbal abuse, i just don't get it where the part of the verbal is. Can you point out the line? And i think if there any its only that one time he say it? Its not like he continuesly did that everyday, every hour every minute lol and it didn't even drive him to suicide. Meh i think the problem is too little to be care for.

That fact that you just summed up what Jungkwon went through to a "shitty day" is ridiculous. His life literally just crashed down before him. But because he's not suicidal his mental being is not as important as Kangjin? That's a very selfish thought process. I would say Kangjin is more evil solely off the fact he tried to use his life as a bargaining piece in their relationship. He might of well have said if you leave me I'll kill myself so you regret it for the rest of your life and fell like chains are constantly holding you down. Also nowhere in there did Jungkwon tell Kangjin to kill himself. He basically said what you do now no longer matters to me. But I guess to you that's him leading him to his death?

People who go through mental issues do so for many reasons, seeking attention, depression, trauma etc. it's not something the choose. You can't use them to vent out your anger and then also blame them for not being able to take it. That's just cruel! If someone I know asked me to stay with them or else they would commit suicide I would say NO! I would call the suicide hotline on their behalf and frankly remove myself from that situation as should anyone! What I wouldn't do is verbally attack them, contribute to their anxiety and trigger their mental illness. There will never be an excuse for that sort of behaviour! The Seme should have removed himself from that situation from the get go. The uke's mental illness was well known to him do you go around frolicking with people who have mental issues then trigger them for your own reasons? I even said he should have called the teachers when he saw the Uke on the roof from day one. Why would he involve himself with a mentally sick person when he knew he was far from being invested or capable of being with them. Set that ignorance aside, he then goes on to use words to emotionally hurt the Uke. No one asked him to, he didn't have to. If that was an ok thing to do then verbally attacking people wouldn't be frowned upon and illegal in some countries.

Also, telling someone to go kill themself is not the only way to lead someone to suicide. Look at Japan, they have a high rate of suicide in the workplace due to workplace pressure and verbal abuse from their peers. Are you saying this is ok since technically no one told them to go kill themself. if you cant comprehend the destructive power of hurtful words then you have no business saying them to anyone.

Raising your voice, the tone of your voice and the weight of your voice can all be considered as verbal abuse. Are you saying if your family, friends or anyone talked to you the way the Seme did to the Uke you be ok with that? Good for you then. Why don't you go around talking to people the way the Seme spoke to Uke and see how that works out.

My literal point was that you're not thinking STRAIGHT when you're in mourning like that. On a normal day you're not gonna attack the people closest to you. I was not casual about it, I was bitter and hurt and he unfortunately became the victim of it (fun fact he HAS tried to kill himself in the past and has depression and we DO live in a family that many white people would consider abusive (: but he does realise I was in a place of hurt and didn't take it to heart. You saying iF yOu hAvE nOtHinG nIcE tO sAy tHeN dOnT sAy sOmEtHinG aT aLl shows clearly you have never felt that much pain and I hope you never have to. It's also really undermining all the mental stress and heartache an individual goes through in that time period and SOME people do end up having to go to therapy and spiral downwards. I'm not gonna comment on online stuff cause thats got nothing to do with any of this? like yeah don't be mean online or in general lol

I have been in so much pain, countless of times! Trust me pain in life is not a one off thing. If this is how you choose to treat your family when you're in pain then you will eventually lose them especially if they already suffer from suicidal tendencies. It's never OK to lash out at people, regardless of what you're going through. If you do, reflect heavily on yourself. If you feel you cant treat your family in a good way then remove yourself from that environment. The Seme did neither, he did not reflect, apologise of respectfully remove himself from the Ukes life. Instead he hurt him and only worsened his mental turmoil. This extends to all aspects of life. You have people who shrug off inexcusable behaviour. That's not ok. How can people grow to better people and create safe spaces for other when you make excuses for their toxicity? I've met so many people with horrible personalities and zero regard towards others, behind those people are people like you who excused their behaviour until they became that way permanently!

Yes, I'm sure you have as what is life without some pain. You don't seem to be understanding that constant lashing out is NOT a good thing but lashing out when you're in a heightened state of emotion is very HUMAN. It's by no means right but it's a normal reaction for most people. Especially in the semes situation where the guy hes dating has just watched him get bullied by some loan sharks. In asian culture(my parents would probably die of shame if that happened to them) the shame he feels must be immense which was probably why he lashed out. I do agree when you feel anger coming on to remove yourself but that thought usually doesnt occur when you're hysterical and mid mental breakdown. As I said in the past the seme is not the VICTIM and what he did in the moment is understandable but not the aftermath (him not apologising). I agree that you shouldn't be dicks to people but if you think there'll be a world where no one hurts anyone with words or violence then you are delusional. How am I excusing their behaviour????? I feel like you read nothing I say. In this scenario him being a dick in the heat of the moment is understandable but not correct, the way he treated the uke afterwards is not. If someone is constantly lashing out it is not right and I never said it was right. It'd be great if in the world no one would hurt anyone but it's so unrealistic that it hurts at this point.

But that's exactly what I was saying, it wasn't right regardless of the situation. Everyone can have an excuse for their terrible actions but that doesnt make it right. The world is full of people hurting others, we can agree on that but we can also agree that's not right! There's nothing wrong with pointing out a wrong! I know even if I do point it out this won't stop people from hurting others but I will point it out non the less. I have been in situations were people have done terrible and evil things to others whilst they are drunk, upset and sometimes even ok. What I did in those situations was to tell them to stop because it's wrong, what I didn't do was sit there and think "oh well they're drunk/upset so its it's understandable" whilst I did nothing. I'd even be more extremely disgusted if they were doing that to a mentally sick person.

The thing with drinking and drugs and all that is you can control that by not drinking or getting outside help. You can't exactly control when someone dies or tell a loan shark just to disappear. It is pretty shitty to lash out at someone regardless if they're suicidal or not and in that situation i dont think him lashing out is 'evil' but 100% the way he treated uke afterwards is pretty horrible cause he didn't even take responsibility. It really depends on the scenario and the person. Being on the both sides of lashing out I personally think by telling someone what they're doing is wrong when they're in that state of mind would aggravate the person more. I would usually talk to them once they've calmed down (this is off topic tho) I think the most disgusting part is the lack of apology cause he did use the uke as a punching bag for all his emotions regardless of whether or not they're mentally ill. (I think they're equally as disgusting). Idk you are giving me the vibe that you're disregarding the semes mental health at that time. Overall, that whole situation could've been avoided if seme sent literally ONE text to uke which makes everything shittier imo especially when he had the time to call up the school and explain the situation to them

But hopefully irl we'll never have to experience this very specific scenario

Uh there are 2 blondes

I loved what you said to the point that I thought he was Haesoo's mom and forgot all about Byul

Lol Byul hahaha, let me fix that