One of the only manhwas with a misunderstanding trope that I'm enjoying, most of the others irritate me but this one is hilarious. Masochistic top is also a bonus lol
Does anyone know a little bit of korean here? Can anyone please translate? This is from the author's twitter
https://x.com/Majjip_/status/1878114612073169051
I know the coworker is portrayal as a villain and she's just doing this because she's jealous and the circumstances are different for mc but imo it's honestly the right thing to do if you believe your coworker is cheating on their spouse.
My cousin recently found out that her boyfriend cheated a few years ago and a two friends in their friend group knew but nobody told her. She dumped him now, she was even thinking of marrying this dude. I get terrified when I think about wasting years on relationships like this without knowing.
It’s actually not. No matter what your coworker is doing, it’s none of anyone’s business but their own.
Just say you are a cheater too. There's a moral compass on what edges on personal versus when you should be involved. If what someone is doing will affect others, it's your cue to expose them. With you logic, I can kill someone as your co worker, but you don't care cause it's my business?? Dumb
It’s nobody’s role to play the judge, the hero, or whatever in someone else’s life. You don’t know their backstory and you have no right to judge whether what they are doing is wrong or right.
We have different personal codes in life then I guess. If I see the other party or spouse every day I would feel responsible and guilty for not warning them even if I do get in trouble for it at work later. But only if you know the situation and 100% certain that's what's actually going on.
I understand your point. If we pretend that the flower shop coworker thought she was 100% certain that Haesoo was cheating, then maybe we can say that corworker was doing it with good intentions. But even if she did it with good intentions, she would still be wrong in this situation - Haesoo’s husband was a jerk. So that would be a situation where worker THOUGHT she knew what was going on, but was wrong. It’s just nobody’s business but their own. Unless MC comes to you herself and asks for advice, then sure get involved. Or if it’s criminal, then sure call the police. But we have no right to be someone else’s moral compass unless we are their parent and are parenting our child.
I agree, but in my opinion, I think if she’s a real “friend”of our MC, she should have been blunt and frank about it to her first. That way, either the MC would clear up the misunderstanding and enlighten her coworker or let’s say she still hides her situation since who wants to broadcast a heartache anyway. If it’s the latter, that’s when her coworker “warns” their “customer”.
I honestly don't think the problem lies in the coworker saying anything. It's how she did it. She's obviously closer to her own coworker than this guy, so it's someone she knows up close even if it's not personal. She have no idea whats going on at all, onky knows bits and peices. I wouldn't say what she did was out of jealously but it wasn't clear minded. Not only did she pull this guy aside without asking for further information from MC or atleast looking furthure into the situation(or atleast attempting it) when he told her he's the one she should be concerned about she didn't seem to relay that to Mc or even seemed concerned it comes off as 'their both shitty people'. But I get not wanting to be confrontational but how she did it was sketchy and backhanded.
villain is an overstatement
she's just a nosy, jealous rosy let's be real about it
You just said you lack a moral compass. Go to therapy instead of pushing your opinion. Nobody cares
Exactly, here what the coworker did was not out of concern for anyone, but purge jealousy. But that SillyCactus is saying is utter bs. Like go cry in a ditch or something, if I see anyone doing something that hurts or affects others, no matter their backstory, they're getting exposed.
Get off social media, you're not normal honestly
If he acts like a weird siscon or something I would be so mad, I absolutely hate that trope
Are there no queer people reading this manhwa or anyone with queer friends? How can you not get that a gay guy who just realized his sexuality and got together with a guy for the first time may not want to be around his only friend for a while either in fear of rejection or to process his feelings. That's the first thing Ik soo asked Dohun in this chapter.
All the comments are only about hating the man for ignoring his friend for only 1 week and also it's not like he left Dohun alone, Dohun is popular while Ik Soo had only one friend since he was a child so it makes sense for him to have a hard time handling the situation and time between his friend and bf.
You guys do not try to read any nuance to the situation, no empathy in this comment section at all.
But the thing is, throughout this story its been shown that iksu doesnt realize that he holds the things he and Dohun do together, special. Like he agreed to go to the dolphins game with his bf as didnt think twice about it and only noticed it didnt feel the same whilst at the game. He himself is disregarding the things he and his friend used to do together exclusively and not taking into account Dohuns feelings, only recognizing that its not the same himself veerryy delayed and even still isn't fully aware.
That isnt avoiding him, thats not being aware of other peoples feelings etc, or not caring in the moment until it becomes obvious (dohun avoiding him) much like how with his bf rn, he clearly isnt taking into account his feelings either.
Thats why he then assumes dohun is avoiding him because hes gay rather than avoiding him because hes just generally been a bit shit to him, because hes not aware of his actions
I do agree with some of you take but we also need to take into account iksu just hasnt been a great friend nor boyfriend.
Just because he once took his bf to a game doesn't mean he takes their tradition lightly, this happened in the week after they started dating when he was still avoiding Dohun and he watches Dolphin's every game so of course he's going to go if not with his friend then with his bf. Isn't it good thing in relationships to try to include your partner in your hobbies? Also they didn't have an agreement that they would both support the team exclusively, they are always going alone together coincidentally because the team is unpopular so there was no need for an agreement.
It would make sense if the bf liked the sport then the 3 of them going to the games together. It's the same thing as a new friend joining a friend group.
Also it's understandable for him to put his feelings first at the time and not focusing on how Dohun would feel for just one missed game. Even if he's aware of people's feelings or not, I don't consider it a character flaw as long as it's not intentional. I consider Ik Soo a bit autistic coded so this doesn't bother me at all.
Did you misunderstand something? Dohun didn't avoid him because he was hurt but because he had a wet dream about him. The most reasonable assumption why he's getting avoided is 100% homophobia. He's been trying to hide that he's gay from his friend and as soon as he finds out, he's avoiding him the next day after Ik soo reached out to him first, just how can this not look bad lol. What actions? People are talking like he backstabbed him or something, if Dohun actually got mad at him for that then he would be a shit person, he understands unlike readers that him getting avoided was actually not about him but people just wants distance sometimes. You would notice he wasn't mad at Ik soo after he found out but just jealous of his bf.
He's been a fine boyfriend, he spent the whole week with him and didn't let Dohun intimidate him and also didn't get mad after getting outed because of him, there are no feelings involved between him and his bf yet so makes sense for him to be a bit distant.
It's one of his most significant moments of his life so he should be able to take his time and worry about how his friend would feel for a few days. He's clearly been stressed about his reaction to coming out. I shouldn't even have to keep arguing about this point, how ate people overlooking or treating this as insignificant compared to him not going to the game? Isn't this a gay manhwa? How are people giving the friendship more importance than his queer experience?
You are calling him a bad friend after how he was leaving everything to buy medicine and visit Dohun for just a stomach ache my god.
Gay people rarely read these. It's mostly straight girls fetishising it who think they know better than we do how our lives go. They throw hate at characters who get in the way or make mistakes or don't do the right thing because it hurts their happy, fluffy fantasy. Usually because a lot of straight women WRITE these books, so they aren't realistic or indicative of our real lives. They're just full of blushing and rape and sugary sweet femme boys who really need to eat a sandwich.
Stories like this one are much closer to our real lives. Yes, we make mistakes, we don't always know the right path, we might get possessive or angry, we have confusing feelings and we may even hurt other people figuring things out because guess what? Gay people are human beings, not magical little fluff balls that exist purely for bean flicking. In a lot of ways some of these stories and their readers are as problematic as gacha games with their jelly jiggling, no personality waifu sex dolls.
Why are you being rude to me? I also said i agree with some of what you said
Im not going to entertain this for very long so I'm not gonna reply after this one, but from the story telling itself:
1, what i said is true, you can go back and read it and literally see he doesnt realise what he and Dohun have as a tradition doesnt feel the same when he takes his bf
2. Hes been kinda a shit friend because he didnt update dohun that he was going with his bf till very last minute causing dohun to lose money and cancel plans, didnt keep in contact well. This right here is why is seems like he doesnt care because he didnt even update dohun till super late and went without him when they were originally planning to go together (you dont get a pass on doing that stuff just because youre in a relationship, whether its gay straight etc) it literally shows him realising the fact its not the same AT the game, not thinking about that stuff beforehand and leaving dohun to figure that situation out on his own.
3, hes been not a great boyfriend, maybe not shitty like i said before but (besides the fact obviously not being ready for a relationship rn (especially being his first gay relationship he needs time) and his bf lowkey making things go a little fast when iksu isnt ready) because he keeps talking about dohun and not picking up on the fact his bf is clearly worried or suspicious of them both, and brushing things off etc. Then ignoring his messages. Tbh im not too keen on how his bf is a little pushy at first especially when its iksus first gay relationship but yeah its whatever. And also not really keen on how he turned up uninvited and cut things short, however if ur bf keeps talking that way about another guy and then u find him with said guy after he ignores ur messages, i suppose i get it
Hes been good in other ways but its literally shown us moments of him ignoring his bf etc
4, Im autistic myself, whilst i can understand why u see him as such, it doesn't mean that just because we may be unaware of how we act and that its not on purpose, that it didnt hurt someone else. Unintentionally doing something is still doing that thing, and that is what iksu has been doing.
Im not saying hes been doing any of this with the intent to do these things. But the fact is that it still happened whether he meant it or not.
Forgot to mention it but he literally ditches his boyfriend to run up to dohun when he sees hes not actually sick, and then takes dohun to the resturant
Just when have I been rude to you lol
1. That's called realization of feelings, which doesn't make him an asshole. It's literally the first time he went there with a person not Dohun so what if he realized it's not as fun when he's there? You made this point many times but I don't see what's there to hang up about. Are you calling him unaware? I'll say it again I don't consider this a character flaw of people when it comes feelings. I was very lonely as a child I kind of relate to him in this case.
2. I'll say it again he's avoiding his friend and fearing his friend's reaction to him being gay, things do absolvable if you just realized he just came to terms with his sexuality just this week and he's a closeted man in a deeply homophobic country. Him losing his money was unfair and you don't like this fact but what he's been feeling this week does make this understandable and forgivable.
Everyone is using these sentences 'just because you're in a relationship' and how their friends too leave them for new partners but don't they remember where Ik Soo is from and if he had time before this week to process his sexuality yet and what he's going to do next?
I come from a homophobic country like SK and people from my country kill themselves just because they found out they don't like the opposite gender and people are mad just because Ik Soo here ignored his friend for a week. I'll just copy paste my previous point which you did not reply to but is important.
I shouldn't even have to keep arguing about this point, how are people overlooking or treating this as insignificant compared to him not going to the game? Isn't this a gay manhwa? How are people giving the friendship more importance than his queer experience? People are focusing on how his popular friend felt left out but not why the actual reason he had to ignore him? And it is not because he's so smitten with his new bf, they don't even like each other much yet.
3. He has only 2 people rn he talks to on regular basis, his bf and friend so of course he's going to keep bringing him up. He does not have much experience talking with other people and he's socially awkward and might not find many other topics to talk with him.
He doesn't like Dohun romantically rn and he doesn't have anything to feel guilty about so why would he think that his bf his suspicious of him? You call his bf pushy but then say that Ik Soo is ignoring him lmao.
He ignored his messages once when he's hanging out with his friend in a week, that's not being a bad boyfriend that's good manners when they're both eating and watching the match.
4. I said that when you said he's not aware of his feelings that he didn't enjoy watching the match with his bf, that's just his own moment of realization and has nothing to do with his actions to Dohun. Him being unaware didn't hurt anyone because whether he knew it or not he was not going to the game that week with Dohun anyway cause he was ignoring him atp. He was putting his feelings first when he needed it. Nothing was unintentional, he meant to not see his friend that week.
He has not had a conversation with Dohun in a week and right now believes him to be homophobic and he's getting ignored because of it so of course he's going to want to confront him right when he can. Also this is not a conversation you bring your boyfriend to between your friend.
It makes no sense to not confront him right in that moment when he just got caught lying. Things with his boyfriend are just unfortunate and bad timing but it again doesn't make him a shitty boyfriend.
Brett outfreaks and outmatches all those alpha daddy tops the whole internet gushes over, not even a power bottom he's a supreme bottom lol
the ultimate bottom fr
Generally I hate when authors draw the bottoms absolutely tiny cause I feel like they do it to make it easier for themselves and female readers to project themselves into the character or it is just plain heteronornativity(not every BL but there are some where you can just tell), but this is some of the BLs where I don't feel like that's the case and I find their size difference just so hot.
I guess because in this case, we can feel that the authors aren't trying to let the female readers self insert in the bottom. AJ jas his own agency.
Besides the authors are a wlw couple, so i guess that leaves little interest to push for hereronormativity onto their story, specially when they are queer themselves.
Reading all these comments about Jian made me realize just how little empathy and tolerance general mangago readers have. Haven't you noticed how the panel right after he just gets the revelation that he's a bastard child is of him having sex, it clearly means to show that he's using these drugs to numb the pain he's been going through since he was a child and the drugs has an aphrodisiac effect so hence all the fucking. Even Jin in the previous chapters just said "don't take your anger out on me" when Jian offered him sex.
Looking at the comments under this manhwa has been made me lose a little faith in people ngl, they care for gay rights so I thought they would also care for people who turns to these vices in desperation, cause it isn't even like Jian is hurting anyone when he's feeling the effects of it. Even after seeing how he's been abused his whole life and most of the comments only having two words in them being druggie and whore but nothing else deeper into his character is something else. He's so self destructive and uncaring about his own life that he doesn't even bother to ask Hajoon what he's giving him.
And it's not even like characters like Jian are even common in BLs, the only other manhwa I've seen is Another Lie. Idk why people want every bottoms to be squeaky clean when Mieum exists right here too. I always appreciate when authors tackles on difficult themes even when they might get hate for it.
I don't care if people hate him but I hate how people are acting he's doing these things as if it's his hobby and he's something evil because of it. There are no shortage of people like Jian irl who instead of our scorn just needs a little help, cause they've lived a sad life and are just spiraling deeper and deeper into these messes and to their own death.
Beautiful Boy, Trainspotting, Requiem for a dream, Leaving Las Vegas are some good movies about addiction.
Thisssssss. Thanku godddd someone understands
Speak louder my beautiful queen (or king(?))
I think a lot of BL readers are really young and just don’t read BL for story? Like…they don’t read at all they just skim. And scroll through looking at the pictures and read like every 5 words. I mean you should know fujos do not care about good story and character development when almost every work on the top BL page is really shit actually. I say this as a Fujo myself. The eating system on mgg doesn’t even work because stories with tons of sex get the highest eating while plot focused stories or stories with nuance get lower ratings as the nuance is ignored or taken at face value. Just smth I’ve noticed and yeah I am generalising.
Rating system*
I agree with you!
Also it doesn't help that the average age of the readers here is like 13 and they don't care about the story, only the smut and art..
Like for example there were many comments that they are tired of the Jin Jian couple and want to see Jitae only because he looks good..
100000% agree
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Tbf for me, I don't necessarily hate Jian, it's the dynamic between him and Jin that I hate because it's the same old toxic relationship of the top that just wants to own and break the bottom who's already sinking down. It's not even exciting, it's more regretful and sad. In which case, this most likely won't even make Jian get better but rather be worse.
First of all, nothing is set in stone yet. Jin is still worried about Jian’s health because it’s obvious that Jin doesn’t want Jian to die. Jin keeps scolding and reminding Jian, but it’s not working, as Jian is already too deep into his addiction. So, what do you expect Jin to do? Tie Jian up and lock him away? That’s not feasible because Jian is still deeply attached to the Baek family and is under the control of his mother and Hajoon. Jin can only stay by Jian’s side to watch over him. It’s not that Jin wants Jian to destroy himself—it’s just that Jin can’t directly intervene. The tangled issues involving the Baek family are too complicated. Unless Jin kidnaps Jian and takes him away, but if he does that, Jian will end up hating him.
Is being with Jin good or bad for Jian? Jin wants to fix Jian, not break him and turn him into a doll to keep by his side. Jin wants Jian to go back to being the Jian he once loved and cherished.
As for Ji-tae’s remarks, that’s just the perspective of an outsider. Ji-tae doesn’t really understand what’s going on between Jian and Jin or why Jin wants Ji-tae to personally destroy Jian. Jin was angry and told Ji-tae he didn’t understand anything. Part of it is toxic, as you mentioned—Jin is jealous of Ji-tae. But the bigger part is that Jian doesn’t dare leave because he’s worried about Ji-tae. Now that it’s been revealed they’re not actually brothers, maybe Jian will think differently—or maybe he won’t.
I’m not trying to say Jin is a good person or anything. His methods are extreme, but the truth is, he just wants to pull Jian out of that situation. Is it toxic? Two people who’ve been crushed and broken to the core can only rely on each other—it’s hard for that to be healthy. Even Ji-tae is starting to show signs of controlling Mi-eum.
This is just my perspective. You’re free to think differently, but to me, Jin and Jian still have the potential to be a healing couple for each other. That’s all.
I hated Kiss me Liar but I like the the premise and character designs of this one so hope it doesn't disappointment and buff omega is also always a treat!