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Yeah, I think so..

How it can be ?

If you read page 50 (not sure of the page) the litle of the chapter is final arrangement. You notice that he is talking to his lover/secretary about a deal that he can't leave him. But unfortunately he wasn't able to keep that promise becuse he died. ╥﹏╥

Is that just a dream ? when he wake up the secretary still there , right ? :(

Nope, it wasn't (︶︿︶). Too bad it was just his spirit or something that visited him.

I just reread it again , and I feel what you tell us :'( I just don't want to believe
tangkyou

Don't worry, you and i feel the same ╥﹏╥. Wish the ending was different but no less that sad part did a good job. Still worth reading over and over again (=・ω・=)

Maybe you missed the last four pages of that chapter. The death was a dream. When the seme woke up, the uke repeated what he'd said in the dream and the seme scolded him for it being a bad omen. The uke then goes on to say that because life is so fleeting, he wants to spend all of his time loving the seme. That way when the time comes for them to part, there will be no regrets. IOW, don't live in fear of the future - live and love in the here and now.

actually it's a dream if you re-read it again you'll understand

Okay, this was really bugging me. So, I went back and didn't just reread the chapter, I picked that thing apart. On the very last page of the chapter is the answer - and the answer is a toss up. In the last few frames of the last page, the uke (Osanari) is drawn very faintly, as if he were ethereal. The question of the "toss up" comes, because if you look closely at the bed, you can see his hair beside the hair of the seme. If the uke was a ghost and the second half of the chapter was a continuation of the seme's nightmare, you would expect that the uke would not be shown in the bed with him. Is this intentional - to indicate the uke is alive? Is it simply a drawing mistake? Hence, the toss up. But I have to admit, I've changed my opinion on the ending of this chapter. I think it is a drawing mistake and the uke is actually dead. Maybe it was the mangaka's intention to leave the ending up to the reader's own imagination. If you like a happy ending, you can view the last "bed scene" as proof that the uke is alive.

I've reread so many time since this manga was her in mangago and still can't convince myself that that was a dream （/TДT)/ . Maybe i'm just too hard headed ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Hahahahahaha......thank you so much. I never expect you would do such thing just to clear this topic. Hehehehe (≧∀≦)
I'm really impress, the way you notice the drawing. I'v been re reading this so many times before but did not notice that (●￣(ｴ)￣●)
Like what you said maybe it really was the intention of the mangaka to leave the ending to its readers ╮(￣▽￣)╭
So i'm ganna stick with my ending, the sweet yet sad end. ┗( T﹏T )┛

By the way. The only thing that convince me that his lover is dead is the last part. Seeing Osanai's image fading away it tigger my resolve (▰˘◡˘▰). Did not change since then.

There is no question that this chapter contains a dream sequence. The question is whether it is the first half - when the seme is drunk and mourning the uke, or the second half - where he sees the uke again. *wink*
At first, I thought the first half was the dream - like so many others. After picking the whole chapter apart, I'm pretty well convinced that it was the second half that was the dream. I hate "dead" endings - where a protagonist dies - but I just can't fight the feeling that the way the uke was drawn is a big indicator that this was not a "happy ever after" ending. My poor heart wants Osanari to be alive though. The story was definitely incredible and obviously this mangaka knows how to write compelling charaters and stories, even in a few short chapters.

just read the manga cuz i saw the comment on the main page. I have to disagree, it didn't feel like a sad ending for me and i interpreted it exactly how it was shown: a dream in the first half and reality later. as for the translucent osanai in the end: well, i would say that is it the common way of a manga to end the story in this kinda shining and glittery style, as typical for a happy ending.

I totally agree with you! (⌒▽⌒) the mangaka has this different way of portrating its plot that makes you wanna know that it will be the ending but its not.

And don't worry, your poor heart is not alone I am too want him alive ╥﹏╥

Hahahahah (⌒▽⌒). I like your opinion, i wish i could convince myself with that but too bad i can't. I'm really am too hard headed (▰˘◡˘▰)

Ditto'ing this. When I read that chapter, I felt the feels so fucking hard. The moment Osanari teared up and smiled, I cried with him. I was so attached to these characters goddamn it, you couldn't just kill them out of the blue.

But that's the thing. "Out of the blue." Although the impact was powerful, the death felt very out of place, and only makes sense if it was a dream intended to highlight a point-- of living in the moment. This manga isn't a tragedy, and up until the last, ambiguous chapter, the signs pointed optimistically. It doesn't make sense thematically for the author to build everything up and crash it with a death, unless she plans on focusing on the consequences and what that death actually means.

Wow! (⊙…⊙ ) I'm speechless. I can't argue with that....heheh ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Your reply was remarkable. Well written and obviously well thought out. Unfortunately, I've read "Lucky-kun". A 12 chapter manga with the best HEA in chapter 11 - then the protagonist dies is chapter 12, the end. No moral, no purpose, just gut-wrenching, sob inducing protagonist death. Most mangaka and writers follow the formula you have described, just not all of them. My heart wants Osanari to be sleeping peacefully beside his seme. My head keeps screaming "Remember Lucky-kun". LOL

Then again, when you stop and think, this kind of thing happens everyday to millions of people. They wake up expecting life to just continue like it did the day before, when "out of the blue" they or someone they love are dead. Perhaps this exact situation happened to the mangaka and their way of coping with it was to draw about it.

Then again, if you consider that "out of the blue" deaths happen everyday to millions - whether their own death or the death of a loved one. Perhaps this mangaka and "Lucky-kun"'s experienced this type of event and drew about it to cope. In life, no one gets out alive. Granted, I see yaoi as a fantasy world devoid of "real life". It is my escape from reality. So, of course I want Osanari to be alive - have I repeated that enough? LOL - but somehow I just can't get my brain to follow my heart.

Sorry, I reposted this reply accidentally. I thought I had lost it by losing my browser, but it posted on a separate page. I feel like such a dumb-ass now for not checking. Please forgive me.

Heheh, thanks for the complement (●'◡'●)
Well anonymous does have a point (▰˘◡˘▰) of what he/she said. Anyways there is no wrong opinion on this topic ╮(￣▽￣)╭. Everyone just has to be imaginative of thier desire ending. As for me, am sticking to what i think is best for both my heart and mind (〜￣△￣)〜

Absolutely correct on all points. BTW, thanks so much for starting this really awesome thread. I haven't enjoyed a debate like this in a while. And I will never forget this manga now. LOL

Several months later, I am back and ALMOST read this manga again, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. CRAP! Osanai's "death" still affects me this much! LOL I really loved this manga, truly, but I'm still to "sensitive" just yet to read it again. This manga-ka really hit home with their characters for me. The mark of a truly talented manga-ka.

Hahahaha (⌒▽⌒). So am i. This one is already on my list (≧∀≦)

If you love to read this one like i do, you can just skip the part where he died. That way you can avoid having a hard time in the end (=・ω・=). I do it sometimes while reading this one and some other mangas (☆▽☆) heheh

I considered doing that, but I'm so weird - I absolutely HAVE to read to the last page of a manga or I feel like I've missed something. Even if I've read the darn thing 50 times!! It feels "incomplete" if I stop before the end. Like sex without an orgasm. LMAO

ROFL. WHahahahahah.... gosh! I don't know what to say. I'm blown away of what you said especially the last part! It feels hardcore. ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

ROFLMAO You're too funny and far too cute! I'm sorry if I embarrassed you. I have a potty mouth and sex on the brain. I'm just a pervy old woman. Sorry again.

Hahaha....no need to apologize. I'm pretty sure when it comes to YAOI mangas we are both prevs at the same level (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ heheh

Just reread that story because of your thread and, if it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure he didn't actually die.
As I read it, the dream made the seme/boss realize the depths of his feelings, which in turn gave him the push he needed to say "I love you" out loud to his partner.
Any story/art is open to interpretation; however, I truly believe the author was merely using the dream sequence featuring the death as a mechanism to provide the seme motivation to finally say what needed to be said.
Put another way, I believe the story had a happy ending.

I'm glad our conversation encouraged you to read a really great manga. I love your interpretation and the way you voiced your thoughts. Perhaps I could be persuaded to agree with you if I could bring myself to read it again. Even after several months, the "death" of the uke (I can't remember his name correctly - sorry) still makes my heart ache when I consider reading this. LOL Maybe in another month I will have the courage.
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Osanai is not dead! I repeat not dead. It said there, "thankfully I am able to touch him" and yes, it was a dream. He was even told not to say bad omen stuffs

Everyone!!! thank you for sharing your thoughts about this story..my simple reaction/opinion about this manga turn out to be something...hehehe ╮(￣▽￣)╭.. like i said, everyone is free to decide which ending they like and will stick to mind...hehehehe

Everyone!!! thank you for sharing your thoughts about this story..my simple reaction/opinion about this manga turn out to be something...hehehe ╮(￣▽￣)╭.. like i said, everyone is free to decide which ending they like and i will stick to mind...hehehehe

Hi, I wonder whether you're still here :) It took me 4,5 years to come back to this manga after the shock after reading "The final arrangement" chapter and I'm the experienced fujoshi now and I KNOW Osanai is still alive! Just saying...:D He is!