Dude pls tell me ellos isn't dead.
Soile is ok, but only as a background character. If he's the male lead I'll have to abandon this ship, and board the naomi one
I'm a bit iffy on this cause the male lead seems to surround himself with a LOT of women, and fuckboy harem Lord's are mostly scum of the earth in my eyes so pls don't let that be the case here
This will no doubt offend some people, but like is there anything she's actually good at?
I'm following this story quite loosely, but Aria doesn't seem as "amazing" as they treat her.
Most of her knowledge, and what makes her interesting to the others, is her "eye for business", but that's just her memories and the hourglass.
Not to mention, she seems a bit like a "white lotus" not just outwardly. Inwardly too. I mean, Im aware she doesn't think of herself as "pure" or whatever, but a lot of actions and consequences she's faced were caused by herself, but she still pins them on others, when it's her own fault.
Also, I'm about to say something that will cause even more controversy:
If you guys like morally grey characters that much, wouldn't lady isis's story be much more interesting?
She's smarter than Aria, more business savvy than Aria, more manipulative than Aria, and the most important: she didn't need magical powers to get to where she wanted(I mean, yes, she's the crown princess, and she had better opportunities, but a lot of her achievements are still her own)
Just my two cents.
*Sigh* I can just see the dislikes coming
Lady isis is a horse faced stuck up snob that looks like a man. The only traits she has is that she is domineering and has a superioity complex.
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logically You are right it would be nice if they added a story of lady isis
And like you said the way aria uses others for her own interest is not different from isis
Lol good one
She does look a man tho. I kept waiting for the big reveal that she is actually a trap.
I understand and even sort of agree with the critics you have with Aria, but an important reason why I prefer watching her story, rather than someone like Lady Isis, is because of her characterization and her possible character arc. It is very much true that Aria and Isis are morally grey people and Lady Isis is perhaps “superior” in intellect and manipulation, but honestly her background and status isn’t as compelling as Aria or the progression of the story.
Aria isn’t as smart as Isis or business savvy but she is clever, adaptable, and quickly learns well from her mistakes. She doesn’t have to be all knowing or a highly intelligent in order to reach her goals. She can also be immature, self centered, spiteful, arrogant and self pitying which only makes her character fell multifaceted and well flushed out. It’s refreshing to see that Aria doesn’t have just one flaw, but several. It makes her feel real.
I’ve read many different isekais with wronged princesses coming for revenge after they been “wronged”. And although interesting and entertaining, I do personally love a come up story. Stakes are just naturally higher and there are much more obstacles to overcome because of Aria’s status, which is very important for all aspects of the upper class. She has to work twice as hard to get what she wants because she doesn’t have an aristocratic or noble background. Unlike Lady Isis, her gaining allies are harder and when things actually come together after trial and error, it feel much more awarding when she Succeeds.
In regards to the magical hourglass, I feel like it’s an item to level the playing field rather than an op item. Her peers have the advantage of years of privilege, high education, riches and born nobility while Aria has the advantage of the hourglass. And we are shown that the hourglass doesn’t have the same amount of benefits because it has a taxing side effect and is reliant on Aria being careful and aware enough of her encounters with other powerful people.
Overall I just find Aria to be a more interesting and fun character to follow.
I feel like it could be more along the lines of people enjoying how she pretty much changes compared to how she was before and her entire revenge story. True, her business eye does come from her past memories, but in the end I think she's just trying to keep herself from dying so pathetically like she did in her last life. So maybe people are enjoying seeing what decisions she makes, and how she manipulates and uses people to her advantage in order to make sure she survives and is a step ahead of everyone this time round.
I disagree with your opinion. Because unlike Isis, Aria doesn't have privilege to power, status, and money. She needs to work her ass to get to where she is now.
They both are grey characters, but Aria is smarter than Isis. Aria can make use of her own knowledge about the future to the fullest, she can learns lots of things in short amount of times considering she didn't learn anything in the past, even basic ethics. And lastly, Aria knows how to cherish people, unlike Isis who only thinking about her own self.
Aria is grey because the environment makes it so. She needs to cover her own ass, without even the help of her mother. So it's understandable. There will be character development, so her thinking would also be changed. If you want a deep understanding about her character, then it's better to read the novel.
*look like
i agree somewhat and I feel like people would like isis more if she was the main character it reminds me of a different manga with a complete bitch as the main character
BUT Aria had to fight for where she got to and had a lot against her while Isis was born into a noble position without others tearing her down, at least originally
Plus Aria is actually smart like yeah she says its all memories but she had to pay attention and memorize all of the business happenings and her sister's schemes
like if i went back in time i would be able to tell you what was going on in the economy to such specifics and when
Important people realise Aria is NOT a heroine shes an anti-heroine. Whose redeemable traits is that unlike alot of FL she learns from her past experiences and doesnt waver in pursuit of revenge.
And also the people she is targetting are far war than her. In many ways they made into the ruthless and cunning being she became.
Characters like ISIS serve purpose only as sideline characters. I literally skim when their scenes show up. Because that is how "interesting" they are.
*made her
Why are people talking about death threats???
What are they talking about?? Why??? Was the author or translator threatened or something???
I just ce after halfway reading the first chap and nopeing right out after cringing like heck so im not up to date but what the actual hell is going on here???
Read the latest chapter, there’s a note
The last thing we need is the emperor finding some things out about himself.
Pls tell me the archduke saw the empress first before his majesty I will cry real tears of blood otherwise-
Spoiler
Don't worry he saw the Empress first
Two things:
1) I always shipped her with the cousin more than the prince, sorry not sorry and
2) Dean is more attractive than both Ian and his cousin here, change my mind(it's the crazy eyelashes/eyeliner/ eye bags for me)
AGREE!! Like iwish Dean was the Meal libe instead he so much hotter
you have a fine taste (▰˘◡˘▰)
I know most of you don't feel bad for her(I myself don't that much either) but do bear in mind she's a victim in all this as well.
I'm not saying she doesn't have her faults, but imagine being raped and then forced to be together with your rapist. You feel awful for betraying the love of your life so you brake it off with him, and become the rapists bed warmer. You develop a case of Stockholm syndrome to not lose your mind while he plays with your feelings only to get abandoned. The only was to get back is doing something that could very possibly lead to your death.
What can she do?
Her position as it is is ruinous enough.
If she doesn't do anything, she dies. But if she does...in the off chance she survives...that could be a new beginning for her and her child.
So she accepts his offer, and works for him.
Everything is going well.
She can taste freedom on the tip of her tongue.
And then everything she's been through goes to waste whith the arrival of the duchess.
If I were in her position, I'd probably resent her arrival as well.
She's half a victim.
She could have gone to the butler and admitted the baron was threatening her if she didn't spy and pass info. She had a fiance and cheated on him.
But I do feel sorry for her being in that situation. The baron took advantage of her situation. And being a maid is no walk in the park...they are essentilaly like slaves. Power is scary to the powerless, but also appealing.
Where I don't feel sorry for her is where she abuses ogtherrs because she's upse tor because she got power.She had no right to make the lives of others difficult who are/were like her: poor, a maid, under the thumb of those with power and money.
In the end, she is also an abuser, just a powerless one overall.
And even with all that, I kind of hope she can escape. She should go back home...try to salvage some kind of life.
If she ends up causing trouble cause she blames the FL, she'd a dead duck.
Thank you. She's not without fault but a lot of these comments are really unforgiving. :(
Just want to clear one thing up: she was raped. You might want to reread. He guilt tripped her into saying that she can't be with her fiance because her body was already dirty so she broke it off with him. She never cheated on her fiance.
While in all this the only person to blame is the si calked victim that had her life ruined... but never in the slitest did try to talking with her beloved, try to tell everything and maybe he would merry her even if she wasnt virgem anymore. And maybe she could leave her job and live with the man that she loves...
But well... it sure is easyer and more confortble to just blame everything around her and fuck with innocent coworkers... just bc "she is a victim" ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
And I'm sure a lot of kids wont even TRY to understand this text bc they want to justify her wrong doings and lack of action or even lack of trust in who she said to love (︶︿︶)＝凸
Ahhh, I may have missed that. I felt like he really pressured her, but didn't realize he outright raped her. Damn. Glad he's gonna suffer for life in prison.
I can understand why she'd be too ashamed to tell her fiance and family once she got pregnant. I mean, that's not that hard to "get." In the end, it comes down to power....she didn't have it...the baron had it....and it was probably a situation where once she couldn't go to her family for help, only the baron was her hope for some sort of solution to it all. Only he was a demon.
But her treatment of other maids was wrong. And they could have been a second family if she had developed those relationships better. Servants know what it's like to be powerless....
When you're so blinded by your own pain and guilt it's hard to make connections with others cause it forces you to be vulnerable. Especially if you don't want to. It's much easier to lash out to make yourself feel superior. Then factor in a manipilative fuck boy who offers security emotionally and physically, not surprising it turned out the way it did. In many ways her actions are a defense mechanism.
Haven't you ever done this? Not to her extent, but haven't you ever took out your anger on someone undeserving? I definitely have. And I was definitely not mature enough (at the time) to apologise every single time.
Ain't trying to discount what you say - you make solid points and I agree w them. Idk I just feel some strange attachment to her. Like I need to protect her or something. I hope there's character growth and redemption for her. I'd be disappointed if there isn't.
Agreed. It isn't good to displace your anger and take it out on others but at the same time it's common occurrence in the real world and in this fictional case, she kind of just spiraled down the rabbit hole since she didn't have anyone to confide in. I don't think she's a good person but she isn't a bad person either. She just represents how an actual being might react. It'd be more unnatural to be a Saint in a time like that.
PS to the other reply: she couldn't talk about it with her husband because you have to take the time into consideration too. She viewed herself to be defiled and couldn't erase the evidence of it (her child) so she couldn't turn to her fiance. She probably blamed herself for being raped because the mindset of the timd period differs greatly from today. To bring a bastard child back to her beloved would cause both of them to be shamed by society. Some may think that she couldn't receive love from the count so she returned back to her original lover and this would also reflect badly on her lover and could very well affect his work depending on his job. To have an illegitimate child was most definitely viewed even worse than if she was to be divorced (which, back then, was like the death of a woman's social life). Many things have changed but it's also important to consider the timeline.
What is a bad person? Is it not someone who does bad things? She not only abused her fellow maids, she felt proud of having some power when she did get it and abused that, too. Let's not erase what she IS responsible for. She always had the option of running back home when first pressured by the Baron (if we're honest). Or talking to the butler and asking to be transferred or given leave.
And I agree. She's shown behaving as a person who has been predated upon may act, but since the maids and no one else knew, she just came across as a bitch, and their reaciton is normal, too.
I'm kinda hoping our FL can help her. I mean, she's not merciless. BUT..if the maid decides she wants revenge somehow, she's fucked. And she'll deserve what she gets for lashing out.
There are abused children who grow up to abuse children. We don't say, "Well, they aren't to blame as they are victims, too." No, we say, we'll, they were victims, until they became predators.
This made is a victim who decided to then be a bitch to her coworkers. That's on her.
Her decision not to contact her mom/dad is hers. Her decision to cut ties is hers.
Hopefully, she'll go to the FL and tell the whole truth and ask to either be let go or to be helped.
I mean, the Lord needs an heir. Can the female lead use that baby? :D
Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope the last thing I need is a replacement story fuck this shit I'm out