You don't know McQueen's pain of his past so don't dare blame him. He's a victim of this mess too. Who knows who is the real culprit here. Why do they're private lives were exposed.
Yes... but Ryan could reject the role, nobody forced him to do it, the same for acting in porn industry, he did for the money.point FanFanTulipe
Maybe he couldn't reject it. He has a kid he probably needed the money desperately to get by and I wouldn't put it past McQueen to give Ryan an ultimatum in order to achieve his perfect film
Maybe he couldn't reject it. He has a kid he probably needed the money desperately to get by and I wouldn't put it past McQueen to give Ryan an ultimatum in order to achieve his perfect film Keisan
Even if he couldn’t reject it because he needed the money as you said he still wasn’t forced or threatened he made the CHOICE on his own and knew what he was getting himself into so there’s no way he could’ve blamed McQueen for something he chose to do for money.
He’s being childish for blaming him.
Ed knew there’s a chance that he might’ve been caught or exposed from doing gay porn but he needed the money anyways so it was his CHOICE to do it same way. And after everything came to light on the media and was even fired from his job he still didn’t blame McQueen because he knew what he was getting himself into.
Even if he couldn’t reject it because he needed the money as you said he still wasn’t forced or threatened he made the CHOICE on his own and knew what he was getting himself into so there’s no way he cou... gogo
Yeah that's fair, not saying its right to blame anyone, just my point was that he was probably in a rough situation and McQueen may have taken advantage of that, knowingly or not. Both Ryan and Ed are big boys and can take care of themselves but their actions (which were encouraged by McQueen) have but them both in *possibly* worse situations than they were in initially. The way their situations have changed may be favorable in some light (money) but at what cost?
When Ed started the porn industry he wasn’t rich either...he was earning the money by being an escort as well, why he seems as a happy person ? You said that my way of looking at things is simple... maybe because is simple, you have a choice, be a bad or nice person, be poor or rich by making wrong choices, I m not talking about people in others country, I know life isn’t fair but we r talking about Ed, McQueen and Ryan who live in US and they had a choice, they choose easy money...monthly Ed got about 1k, playing in porn for 2h and being a bottom -6k
Why he would care about Ryan ? He is just an employe...Do u think my parents boss care about them? When they start at 7a.m, how they get at work, do have the time got to the grocery shop...I don’t think so..
Why he would care about Ryan ? He is just an employe...Do u think my parents boss care about them? When they start at 7a.m, how they get at work, do have the time got to the grocery shop...I don’t think so.. FanFanTulipe
Thank you for that.
Some commenters forget the logic how the business work and the difference between employee and employer. I think they see a powerful seme and a poor uke, and by default presume that seme absolutely MUST save the poor uke. If the seme doesn't = it's pure outrage and despicable and the seme must be crucified and dragged through mud because how dare he not save the poor uke. ...That way of thinking is soo cliched and simple-minded and outdated and boring and ...ugh!
There are gazillion of stories out there with that kind of scenario, aren't people bored out of their minds to read one and the same plotline each and every time? I personally like W.O.W. because it is somewhat different. Yes, it's still different with many cliches and errors, but it's still somewhat different. Instead of discussing the differences, instead of enjoying the fresh breath of air with a somewhat different plotline (and absolutely amazing art!!) some readers choose to trash characters left and right. ~_~;
Thank you for that.Some commenters forget the logic how the business work and the difference between employee and employer. I think they see a powerful seme and a poor uke, and by default presume that seme abso... @Jade
After all I like your comments l, the way you write, u seems more mature than me...I read this yaoi because of the art, plot...and huge break from school, work .staying at home for second week can drive you crazy
Do you know why McQueen broke up with Ryan ? FanFanTulipe
FanFanTulipe, McQueen didn't break up with Ryan - they were never together to begin with. I get sad and disappointed every time to see commenters who attempt turn their presumptions and speculations into false facts to justify their like or dislike for a particular character.
Why can't some people just read the story and discuss the facts presented solely by the story? Why the need to distort/turn it into something it isn't? I honestly don't understand the logic behind that nonsense. ;_;
After all I like your comments l, the way you write, u seems more mature than me...I read this yaoi because of the art, plot...and huge break from school, work .staying at home for second week can drive you cra... FanFanTulipe
Hehe, you are right, I'm probably quite older than you. :) But it shouldn't have anything to do with age-it's all about basic human decency. If you believe in that - self-respect towards yourself and respect towards others are a must in everything you do, that includes voicing your opinions and voicing them online.
Blowing things out of proportion, using false facts to justify finger-pointing or demeaning others (whether it's fictional characters or real commenters), etc. go against that. ;_;
I know what you mean about staying cooped up at home... ~_~; Tapas has some good bl comics with amazing art, or, if you have even more free time on your hands, then wattpad or archiveofourown sites entail plenty of novels to read, too.
I loved it how Tak's parents is so open about their son having a relationship with the same sex. Not every parent acknowledge that. This manga heals me
I'd guess his dad always knew that his college friend(the land lord) was gay? He was even showing off a picture of the landlord and the landlords boyfriend to the uke so.
You don't know McQueen's pain of his past so don't dare blame him. He's a victim of this mess too. Who knows who is the real culprit here. Why do they're private lives were exposed.
Yes... but Ryan could reject the role, nobody forced him to do it, the same for acting in porn industry, he did for the money.point
Maybe he couldn't reject it. He has a kid he probably needed the money desperately to get by and I wouldn't put it past McQueen to give Ryan an ultimatum in order to achieve his perfect film
My point exactly
Thanks:)
Even if he couldn’t reject it because he needed the money as you said he still wasn’t forced or threatened he made the CHOICE on his own and knew what he was getting himself into so there’s no way he could’ve blamed McQueen for something he chose to do for money.
He’s being childish for blaming him.
Ed knew there’s a chance that he might’ve been caught or exposed from doing gay porn but he needed the money anyways so it was his CHOICE to do it same way. And after everything came to light on the media and was even fired from his job he still didn’t blame McQueen because he knew what he was getting himself into.
Yeah that's fair, not saying its right to blame anyone, just my point was that he was probably in a rough situation and McQueen may have taken advantage of that, knowingly or not.
Both Ryan and Ed are big boys and can take care of themselves but their actions (which were encouraged by McQueen) have but them both in *possibly* worse situations than they were in initially. The way their situations have changed may be favorable in some light (money) but at what cost?
When Ed started the porn industry he wasn’t rich either...he was earning the money by being an escort as well, why he seems as a happy person ? You said that my way of looking at things is simple... maybe because is simple, you have a choice, be a bad or nice person, be poor or rich by making wrong choices, I m not talking about people in others country, I know life isn’t fair but we r talking about Ed, McQueen and Ryan who live in US and they had a choice, they choose easy money...monthly Ed got about 1k, playing in porn for 2h and being a bottom -6k
Why he would care about Ryan ? He is just an employe...Do u think my parents boss care about them? When they start at 7a.m, how they get at work, do have the time got to the grocery shop...I don’t think so..
Thank you for that.
Some commenters forget the logic how the business work and the difference between employee and employer.
I think they see a powerful seme and a poor uke, and by default presume that seme absolutely MUST save the poor uke. If the seme doesn't = it's pure outrage and despicable and the seme must be crucified and dragged through mud because how dare he not save the poor uke.
...That way of thinking is soo cliched and simple-minded and outdated and boring and ...ugh!
There are gazillion of stories out there with that kind of scenario, aren't people bored out of their minds to read one and the same plotline each and every time?
I personally like W.O.W. because it is somewhat different. Yes, it's still different with many cliches and errors, but it's still somewhat different.
Instead of discussing the differences, instead of enjoying the fresh breath of air with a somewhat different plotline (and absolutely amazing art!!) some readers choose to trash characters left and right. ~_~;
Do you know why McQueen broke up with Ryan ?
After all I like your comments l, the way you write, u seems more mature than me...I read this yaoi because of the art, plot...and huge break from school, work .staying at home for second week can drive you crazy
FanFanTulipe, McQueen didn't break up with Ryan - they were never together to begin with.
I get sad and disappointed every time to see commenters who attempt turn their presumptions and speculations into false facts to justify their like or dislike for a particular character.
Why can't some people just read the story and discuss the facts presented solely by the story? Why the need to distort/turn it into something it isn't?
I honestly don't understand the logic behind that nonsense. ;_;
Hehe, you are right, I'm probably quite older than you. :)
But it shouldn't have anything to do with age-it's all about basic human decency. If you believe in that - self-respect towards yourself and respect towards others are a must in everything you do, that includes voicing your opinions and voicing them online.
Blowing things out of proportion, using false facts to justify finger-pointing or demeaning others (whether it's fictional characters or real commenters), etc. go against that. ;_;
I know what you mean about staying cooped up at home... ~_~;
Tapas has some good bl comics with amazing art, or, if you have even more free time on your hands, then wattpad or archiveofourown sites entail plenty of novels to read, too.
Thanks for the advice...I didn’t say older but more immature;) take care and have a nice day