
I never thought I would find an idol manga that would get me as hooked as debut or die. I love all the characters so much!!

I honestly am obsessed with idol manhwas, and I eat them all up, but there are definitely ones that aren’t as well-thought out or as engaging. I still like them, but there’s some where I’m just like, “I like the mc, and the other characters are okay I guess” they’re kinda just there as the obligatory “other members” and that can lower my enjoyment of a story.(I’ll still read it though because I’m a huge sucker.) That’s one of the main reasons I really enjoyed debut or die because you get to see all the characters get developed and aren’t just dropped into a “here’s a bunch of other characters and their archetypes they’re your group members.” Situation. Of course, there are stories like these where they make me care for all of the characters, even when dropped into that type of scenario, which I think really shows the writing talents of the author. All in all, I love all idol manhwas and this is my all-time second favorite(debut or die is my favorite haha).
One thing I like about the forceful systems is when the mc had no plans to be an idol, and I love it when they have like not the usual idol smile and attitude. It’s just so funny seeing a deadpanned idol. Like, they look like they want to be anywhere but here, yet they spend the most effort because they have no choice. It really ups the stakes and keeps the story entertaining, while serving as a funny gag when paired with a dead face mc(again, why I love moondae from debut or die so much lol)

I like that his friend called the actor by his character Redbone, while Jun called the actor by his actor name. Just showing how Jun is a bit different from other kids his age, and is deeply immersed in the acting world, not just what the famous actor’s characters are. Just little details like that are nice haha.

I remember reading this and really liking the ML, compared to other Chinese manhuas. Just did a full reread and I remembered why I loved the ml so much. I think the moment he gave a lesson on not being a misogynist, was the moment I realized he was a keeper lol. It was also really funny cause of how dedicated he was to Buddhism lol. 10/10 ml for a Chinese manhua. Most Chinese manhuas have the ml be complete overbearing misogynists who annoy the hell out of me. I like how he isn’t overbearing and is just focused on supporting his wifey haha

Yeah! Love that the reason he doesn’t like other women isn’t the usual “oh yeah, he’s just a misogynist” and it’s cause he’s a Buddhist XD
Honestly, it’s baffling how many times a ml is described in a Chinese manhua as “he’s a misogynist” like it’s a totally normal character trait. Like, I understand they want to create a ml that hasn’t slept with anyone other than the fl and hates all women other than the fl, but did you have to seriously have to write it like that XD he can just hate green tea bitches, not all women like wtf.

Bro I don’t really like the way she treats the other characters. From what was told, they treated the ogfl like shit. If I were her, I wouldn’t forgive them or be smiling at them. I at least wanted a scene of them apologizing for their treatment of the ogfl. Like, they still treated the ogfl badly in the original, and was the cause of her death or whatever. I stopped reading after fenris was introduced because honestly he seemed way better as the ml. He looked better than the ml and apparently actually loved the original fl. Like, the ogml clearly didn’t give a shit about the ogfl?? So why is he the ml in this one too? Why not go for the guy who actually liked the ogfl instead, and didn’t neglect her until she fucking died. Like, just the premise of this original story, how was it even a romance story when it looks like the og ml never even fucking touched the og fl(according to what mc said in the first few chapters.) like, the og fl sounds more like a side character that dies off screen, not a fl. Usually in those dark romance stories, it’s because of obsessive love, not fucking neglect. That’s not even a love story?? I’m so confused, I felt like I missed chapters or something. Like, I wish the mc went into more detail about what the original story was about, because it seriously makes no sense as a romance novel. The og fl gets fucking divorced and dies in the original?? Like why?? How is it a romance story, even if it’s a dark one?? At least say it was because of a misunderstanding or something. However, from what was shown so far, it wasn’t a misunderstanding and the og ml looks like he couldn’t give a shit about the og fl.
Sorry for the rambliness, I’m just so confused by where this story was going and frustrated how easily the mc was friendly with everyone, having the knowledge that they made the og fl’s life hell. Yes, she was less competent and more of a crybaby compared to our current mc. However, that doesn’t justify neglecting her and bullying her. What they did to the og fl pissed me the fuck off and that there were so many chapters without the mc addressing this made me mad too.

I see it this way, the OGFL is no longer in existence. This is like a new plan of reality. This is like if the OGFL became OG like in, with an attitude. Associate as maybe, maybe the OGFL was reincarnated into the FL and live a life like an OG and then Came back in time without her OGFL memories but more of her modern FL memories of being an OG. So now she’s coming in hot. She’s like, modern and she’s not gonna get stepped on and since she knows everything, she’s gonna use her godlike powers to be GOD.

I just get pissed cause they still didn’t like her at the beginning but changed their tune when she became competent. Even if the og wasn’t as competent, it didn’t justify her being treated badly. I would understand if the ogfl was mean to others, but she just seemed lovestarved and wanted some type of affirmation. Instead, she got bullied by maids and neglected by others and probably also got shit talked. I wanted the justice for the original fl, since she never deserved that treatment. It doesn’t matter if they thought her crying was annoying. She clearly needed help but they just branded her as useless until the new fl came into play. Like, I personally don’t like people who treat people like shit just because they aren’t as competent. In comparison, fenris fell in love with the ogfl’s personality and kindness, from what I could see. He didn’t care if fl was a crybaby or not as competent or whatever. So, why is the ml a guy who we know will neglect his wife if she’s not useful enough for him? I just can’t wrap my head around this story. They show how the original fl suffered at the hands of the ml and the people around him, yet the new fl just gets along with them, despite knowing that. We clearly see them being super biased about her when she first transmigrated, so they definitely treated her badly at the start. So we don’t even get an apology for their initial treatment of her? They make it seem like the ogfl deserved her bad treatment because she wasn’t useful enough and wasn’t smiling all the time like the fl. Like, duh, she’s depressed, lovestarved, and neglected by everyone around her. How is she supposed to be mentally stable and smile all the time like the new fl. I’m just annoyed by it all since I think the ogfl needs justice for what happened to her.

My favorite will always be gert, but knowing the spoilers about how it’ll be a harem ending with the prince as well, I won’t complain. Usually, I hate harem endings, but I love how pathetic the prince is, that it’s just kind of funny. Like, Gert will be the husband, mc will be the wife, and the prince will be wife #2 lolol
The prince is giving such bottom energy honestly lol, so he doesn’t even seem like a threat to my current ship lol. He can join my ship as the boyfailure pretty boy lol.

tbh... I'm torn, between gert and the prince. T.T I both like them so much, but I didn't think it would really be a reverse harem route T.T yey
I really like Geeerrtt but woosh bang also the prince... even I can't choose so, that makes sense for the FL.
Gert's like calm but jealous(kinda dumb in that part), and the prince's the spice.. uh nvm they got their own charm that's why,,, I likey both T.T

Haha I don’t really like harem endings, but I can just see the Fl telling Gert that she can’t give up on the prince, since he’s her favorite, and Gert takes one oook at the pathetic boyfailure that is the prince, and is like “that’s okay. He can be my wife too.” Lol XD
Meanwhile, the prince wants none of this, but it’s too late, since he’s just gotten adopted by two very strong people lol
Thank you for the crumbs ;;