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And pls don't even try to convince me otherwise bcs trust me i try already but it just didn't sit with me ppl trying to villainize and invalidate the og ciel situation. This is my opinion so you can keep yout opinion to yourself pls

The fake Ciel did nothing wrong, he only pretended to be his big brother because of survivor's guilt and he thought nobody wanted him alive. He didn't have any ill intentions when he decided to impersonate his big brother. Plus, what happened to real Ciel wasn't his fault? Our Ciel didn't take anything from his big brother? He would have got everything regardless if he stole his big brother's identity or not because his big brother is dead and he's the spare? So how the fuck did our Ciel steal anything from his big brother?! The title isn't rightfully Real Ciel's because the brat is fucking dead. The real Ciel deserves to get villainized because he's one of Agni's killers and he tried to kill Prince Soma and nobody is invalidating what real ciel went through but you are villainizing our ciel though. This is a comment section people can comment where ever they want..

Lmao this bitch ass loser user @claudia silva block me without letting me replying to their responses after randomly inserting themselves under my replies and being butthurt on their own when i already put disclaimer is such a coward and narcissist behaviour lmao

To our coward and narcissistic Claudia Silva like you say 'This is a comment section people can comment where ever they want.' You should just block me from the start if you don't like my op instead of acting like a loser and embarrassed yourself lol. No one force you take my op and i even make an early disclaimer abt it yet your narcissistic and pick me side won't let you leave other ppl alone huh

Bro it ain't that serious

You have serious issues, idiot lol I'm not a coward or narcissistic, are you?! I'm not taking anything you say seriously anymore

Jeez. Are you talking about yourself?

Honestly yeah but I also kinda agree with claudia silver's perspective (minus the aggressiveness ). I think 2 things can be true at the same time like how og ciel is both a victim and a villain ( he was a victim that chose to be a villain afterwards bcuz of what happened and I completely understand that, and I say villain bcuz he did cause harm to innocent ppl). While the fake ciel also inadvertently became a sorta "villain" while coping with his surviver guilt (tho he wasn't trying to cause harm, he accidentally did towards his brother by stealing his identity which is quite disrespectful iykwim). Both character has their flaws and the author shows that, they both have depth and raw emotions that aren't always correct so to say one is wrong and the other is right is undermining the depth of the story bcuz this story has shown that not everything is black and white yk? Anyways I'm not trying to change ur mind or anything, I was just thinking ur perspective on the og ciel is really true and wanted to give my opinion a bit lol. Honestly it's refreshing to see someone able to understand and sympathize with a "villain" character, that's why I hope but og and fake ciel can have closure and work things out with each other. (=・ω・=)

And I feel bad for our Ciel, he was raised as Earl's spare. His parents hid him so not many people even knew about his existence. He only continued on with the lie so that he could enact his revenge faster, find the murderers of his parents and brother faster. He has pledged his soul to the devil. Now the original Ciel or Earl is back, instead of getting back at his twin, shouldn't he also be investigating the death of their parents. Unite against the common enemy and such

His family didn't hide him? They kept him inside because of his health and rich families would keep to themselves so it's normal to not know their whole family? Plus, lots of people knew the twins existed? The people that live on the Phantomhive land would have known about the twins, Nina would have known about the twins, and Vincent's friends knew of the twins. He wasn't raised just as the earl's spare? Vincent taught both of them their roles and he didn't have favorites. Vincent loved both of his boys and he thought our Ciel can handle the family's job if he got it. Francis was the one that had doubts but she was just worried about her nephew.

I'm quoting how Ciel felt all about it Chapter 130 last panel.

That's your opinion really but it's not what is shown in the story, he was a spare and was treated as such

- Sure Frances had doubts, she may have been worried about him but it also means she didn't consider him worthy and able of being the new count, she also calls him a spare like it's an admitted fact for everyone

- his uncle clearly tells him, a child, that as the second son he will have to take care of himself in the future since he won't inherit anything, it's violent for a child

- Their family DID hide him, yes there were people who knew him but the public didn't. It didn't impact him directly but tells you that in the public's eyes he was not part of the family. It's not like they said the youngest son was sickly they didn't announce his existence.

- He didn't have a propre name ??
he basically didn't have an identity that doesn't involve his brother

Sure he was not mistreated and his parents did the best they could but he was treated as a less-good version of his brother it's one of the point of the flashback to show his perpective ?

Even as a child he coulf feel that difference, why deny his experience and pretend like he got a great treatment when it's plain obvious that he felt sad and anxious by said treatment ?

I also agree!! It feels wrong to invalidate Ciel's feelings when we have known him since chapter 1, like 14 years now ? 10 years on this site..

He felt like a spare. He probably felt unwanted too - as seen when he willingly withdraws himself from their family outing. And mind you, he is not only intelligent but also has high EQ. We've seen him interact with his servants and helping others numerous times. So, he understands these social intricacies, what is shown and felt but not told. He knows how to read in between the lines.

Also, we don't know nearly enough about the Earl (OG Ciel), and I highly doubt that this undead version is any closer to the real one. There is clear malice in his eyes and mannerisms, he feels tainted. When our Ciel still has his innocence.

It's not wrong to sympathize with the OG, my point was only that instead of getting back at Ciel, why not investigate who killed their parents. Why not be happy ? That his only surviving family is alive ? Why does Ciel feels so terrified of him? Ciel doesn't deserve this.

Yes, he lied. He took over his name. But at the same time, he has sacrificed all that he owned. His name, his soul, his future.

Anyways! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

That's just your opinion, his family loves both boys and like i said they *didn't* hide him. They kept him inside because of his health not for any other reason. No, he wasn't treated as the less good version of the first child, I never seen the twins' parents or family treat them differently. Like I said rich/royal families were very private so it's not a big deal that the public didn't know about the twins. Vincent or Rachel didn't try to hide that they had twins and you're acting like the Phantomhives are famous when they aren't. I don't think anybody cared about it. Plus, the Phantomhive family have a very dangerous job so they would be extra private and try to live on the down low as much as possible.

Only their close circle knew about the twins and everybody at that party Vincent took his boys to would have seen them. You said it yourself we only saw Our Ciel's prospective so you should stop making assumptions about the family. Being a spare isn't as terrible of a thing you're making it out to be but Our Ciel's survivor's guilt and low self-esteem made it a bad thing. Being the first child is more difficult than being the spare, our Ciel had it easy. You are forgetting that Francis is a spare and Elizabeth is a spare too. I don't think they meant it in a bad way or had any ill intentions (except for Elizabeth) , royals took their family title and image very very seriously back then. It's like a business and our Ciel lying about his identity ruined their image and Francis was also worried he wouldn't be fit for the business because of his health. She knows the family business is dangerous so of course she'll be worried about her nephew and wanted to probably make herself the Earl in his place. We don't know the full picture but our Ciel was coddled by his whole family.

I think everybody in the family except for Elizabeth were very happy that our Ciel lived and are just very confused that our Ciel caused so much trouble trying to hide it from them. This scandal can ruin the family's image and who knows what else, I don't think our Ciel realizes this because of his low self-esteem to see the bigger picture, both twins don't understand that.