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the big hyungnim mafia seme!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ajkhskjhkdfjsdhskjfhsdkj i can imagine scenarios already i love these tropes so much

Same. I hope that he gets some character development in the future tho.

i'm sure he will,,

Is this sarcasm or did u really see his real form cux I didn’t lmao or I’m just blind

I've read the advanced chapters, just wait till the next chapter or so, you will see his real form soon :> Trust me, he is H O T

Plus the color of his hair is literally how you would describe the word hot. Lmao.

Okay but that trivago comment got me xD

Same

Thanks. I agree 100%

And maybe get it through your thick skull that Chanwoo is too prideful and immature to say no. Are you reading the same story as the rest of us are because I doubt it? Chapter 87 is all you need boo boo. He almost fucking choked CHOKED TO DEATH because he didnt want to say no out of pride. MD realized this last minute and had to say the word for him. Not to mention that MD was literally trying to FORCE HIM into saying the safe word by performing a play they didnt previously discuss (a.k.a the choking). They were both in shock by the end of it. They both clearly were not enjoying it either. MD knows by this point that Chanwoo isnt responsible enough to be a good sub that says no when things get dangerous. Now he is taking advantage of the situation, whether he has good intentions by ordering Chanwoo to "mate" with the ex is moot. He is still using this experience to "teach" Chanwoo a lesson. But a quick online search will tell you that what MD is doing IS NOT PROPER BDSM ETIQUETTE. Chanwoo is clearly uncomfortable by the situation but he doesnt want to lose MD and definitely not to the guy that used him. That is NOT RIGHT. BDSM is supposed to be an experience that both parties ENJOY.

It's not rape of course. But MD says, you don't have to do this if you dont want to, but that means the other sub will be replacing you. He knows Chanwoo still wants to be his sub, and even if Chanwoo is uncomfortable, he'll keep going.

Well fucking said my guy

Any sexual act performed on someone without prior consent Is forced. It doesn’t matter if it is a bdsm play or not. All participating parties must consent all actions taking part in the play. Chanwoo did not know and did not consent.

Exactly, he never signed up to do something with another sub, compete against another sub. He won't say the Safe word, because he wants to keep his position, but he's uncomfortable.

Amen to that.

On point

Try reading anything from Harada! Thats fucken TOXIC!

baby girl, it was not the slap we are talking about. but the whole "test" MD was trying to force Chanwoo with, this is not a healthy BDSM, and you should know when a roleplay is no longer safe

i think the biggest thing that makes the slap seem outside the realm of bdsm and toeing the line into abuse for a lot of people is because of the fact that MD's anger seems to stem from Chanwoo's rejection and not so much his disobedience... at least that's how it feels to me, myself and i. i don't know about everyone else.

It’s not the slap, it’s the fact that it comes after he refuses to kiss the guy. Forcing someone into a sexual act with a person they clearly don’t want to interact with is rape sis. Pure and simple. And if we wanna bring bdsm into it, how about the fact that MD was sold to us as a DD and now all of a sudden he’s being uncaring. He may have consented to being with MD but he didn’t consent to being with this other dude.

You arent gonna get through to people like them. They are set on the idea that Chanwoo isnt being forced into anything and told he can leave. But I guess only those with common sense will know that Chanwoo isnt responsible enough to be a sub because he cant say no even if it kills him.

Yes yes. It’s the situation that’s making people think it was toxic. I mean if he slapped chanwoo and chanwoo only made a face of pleasure or maybe he begs md like “master please don’t” or something like that people are not gonna think much about it and pass it off as “their play”

It’s just unfortunate that a practice built on consent and trust is being used to excuse abuse and possibly rape.

the author even showed us these scenes:
1. Chanwoo can't use the safeword even if he is strangled
2. Chanwoo got beaten by his ex - he had an abusive relationship before

either they are too young or just ignorant

Am sorry what? How did rape get here

What else would you call forcing Chanwoo to mate with a person he doesn’t want to with?

rape as in he was forced to kiss the snake

Consent means “yes and yes” so long as he said “yes” in the book of consent it’s a go go. But if it’s a “no and yes” and he says “NO”. That’s when it’s a no-go. This is bdsm pure moral tactics don’t work here. Bdsm is all about abuse and immoral things. It’s pleasure built from pain. Now am no fan of bdsm but ik this much.

i mean that's the exact way everyone was able to forgive MD for the unexpected punishment in chapter 37....

no, consent is not a black and white situation.
a person being manipulated and cornered can no longer give consent.

First off rape happens when sex is involved. At least that’s the local definition. But apparently these days a mere touch (Sometimes by mistake) and people yell rape. Sexual Assault and rape are two different things. Now like I said in my previous comment this is bdsm consent means “YES and YES” as long as you say the word “yes” that mean you agree and everything is green light not non consent is “YES-NO” as long as you say “no” that’s when it’s red light. Chanwoo agreed. He is well versed on what bdsm means. Moral thinking does not go with bdsm. It’s pleasure from pain.

But he is not manipulated that’s the thing. See chanwoo has been doing bdsm for a long time and I bet he knows how far things could get. He could have walked away but no he stayed. In my opinion chanwoo needs something really strong to change him cuz all his bad past experiences doesn’t seem to have done the trick. If something is not done it’s only going to get worse. Compared to what he has been through I say this is nothing

True.

Yes cuz Chanwoo is an expert at saying no? Which is why he’s never been abused (as he is now) by anyone else in the past. Also “rape” as in if he is really made to go through with it i.e the “mating”

Clearly you don’t know anything. Consent is universal it doesn’t change from one practice to the next. And at the end of the day even going by your logic, he did not give consent to the guy ONLY to MD. smh.

so just because theres a label, it makes it okay to slap people? just using the term bdsm makes it okay to slap your partner? i see no difference with all his exes that would smack him in the face.

Okay he consented which means he has to consent with MD’s requests which mean kissing the guy is still him consenting. Am pretty sure Dom and Sub is about DOMINATING a person. And am pretty sure in bdsm 85% of the time the sub says “no” that’s why the Dom has to exert DOMINANCE over them. So like I said am not a fan of bdsm but ik this much. Common morals and rules don’t apply here. So yes I do know something :)

girl, he was forced to do kiss AND mate with someone. if you can't see this as rape then I am done. you want to be technical on terms, but I stand on my opinion that that is no longer consensual, he may have agreed initially about at the start of the "test" but he does not know it entails 2 subs mating.
If you are cornering a person to agree that is no longer consensual

Lmao is your knowledge of bdsm from pornhub? And no 85% is not even a close estimate, consent is very explicit in bdsm and the only time that line of communication becomes blurred is in Tamer/brat relationships which from personal experience aren’t as common as people believe. Bdsm is not about glamorising violence or abuse. Pls educate yourself further before speaking for the community.

Butttttt I just wanna know why the other tortures md gave him was not put down like this one. Tbh I just think it’s the situation that’s making u guys see it as abuse. I mean think about it if it was during their “plays” and MD smacked chanwoo no one would say anything they would just be like “well it’s their “play” we can’t say anything. And yea pretty much in the name of Bdsm anything is allowed cuz bdsm is all about “command I obey, and if I don’t then punish me” That why u see choking and whipping and smacking and whatnot.

Hmm... The more I read this thread, the problem becomes more about the separation of fiction and reality and how BDSM is being represented. In terms of how a BDSM should go, I'll just back out from the discussion because that's beyond me.

I can't deny the toxic or abuse surfacing since it's a matter of personal perception. But I'm with the OG commenter that a slap isn't enough of a basis to say that MD is abusive or Chanwoo is a victim.

Reality aside, all these are just results of their personal motivations. It must have been too strong of an opinion that I think Chanwoo deserved this. More like Chanwoo should have seen it coming. He opt to stay because he didnt want to lose against Seunghyun, who tricked him. Chanwoo is not a victim of circumstances, but of his choices.

If it isn't about the slap but MD using the circumstances to vent his anger, I think MD already had the chance during their last sex play. This is more of MD still wanting Chanwoo to choose him. This where these two clear the ambiguity of their relationship because they aren't in it for the same reasons anymore.

I like how u say and mate with someone like they had sex yet

people just love to victimize Chan by keeping saying bs info. totally agree with you by the way, but well haters are gone hate, like always. just ignore them ╮(￣▽￣)╭

agreed! , MD is petty and vengeful by smacking and forcing someone to mate with a person who lied to him. a dom who mixes personal feelings to work and a sub who can't see if it is no longer safe should not engage in such BDSM relationship
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Haha but I never said it’s about glamorizing violence. What’s with you people and straying away from the original topic. Am just saying why is everyone so upbeat and saying it’s a violence and rape when it’s a slap and a kiss. I mean it’s bdsm hello, we say md do worse and no one said a thing, and sorry but your experience does not count as what bdsm is all about cuz it’s like an apple and saying all fruits taste like that.

actually as soon as i realized chanwoo was an abuse victim, their entire relationship was tainted in my eyes. You use play like that on a victim is incredibly toxic. i really wish chanwoo would walk away and get therapy. If people want to do bdsm. i dont really care. but theres abuse victims should get help. jmo

Yes I totally agree with you.

HAHAHAHA you mean the test was not all about sex? OMG

But if my experience don’t count, neither does yours lol cuz you know logic. And like I’ve enumerated countless times bdsm WITHOUT consent is violence and is abuse. Doesn’t matter if it’s a kiss or slap.

abused people cannot do that easily, because leaving is out of their comfort zone, they were used being forced

OP can't see this as rape, OP can't see this as abuse of Dom position, OP can't even see if it is consensual or not. I think the future is bleak, arguing is pointless..

Lmao you actually make sense. But I don’t think someone who does and love bdsm would want therapy and again their relationship wasn’t abusive cuz to them and mostly to MD it was a “play” he didn’t know chanwoo never says no and I just want to know how someone that repeatedly asked and said “chanwoo are you okay? You can use the safe word you know” could be call abusive.

yes, i know. but it is possible. chanwoo isnt a bad person. it would sadden me if he has to settle and end up with MD. it could be really powerful story line to show a character willing to get therapy for being an abuse victim. Authors tend to gloss it over and pretend that "love heals all."

You make a really good point

Harada is starting suck hard core - the stories aren't that great anymore. predictable and stupid.

With how author handle things. I think MD will corner Chanwoo, since he cant hold him romantically, his sub position is what MD has an upper hand. author uses "Love heals us all indeed" card indeed lol

because he is an older man. he knows abuse victims find it hard to say no, and to leave their partners. He has seen it himself that chanwoo will deal with any pain and wont say no. Slapping him like that, when he has seen his bruised face, really tells me he doesnt respect chanwoo, or care about him really.

Thats just my opinion. I get a healthy person doing BDSM and i am not shaming anyone for enjoying it. It just sends warning bells to me, to see an abuse victim in a situation like this.

Things really became negative for me when i saw chanwoo with the bruised face.

AHAHAHAHAAHAH but did it happen yet?? Did u see the next chapter yet????

I love how people ignoring the fact Chan got a fucking choice to leave or stay and he chooses to STAY. yap let's ignore that shit and say he didn't choose it and he is abuse right now, cause he can't choose XD go figure out that logic of people ╮(￣▽￣)╭

agreed, it's not even that sick anymore, the shock value is gone. but try reading harada's recent translated work, a gintama dj. I think this is good
https://myreadingmanga.info/paraiso-harada-gintama-dj-sekijitsu-eng/

you write so much and say so little. I bet you don't even take the time to read replies. you just regurgitate the same shit over and over. people here in the comment section are telling you what bdsm is and how it can go from fun to abusive, yet you are not getting it.

Oh well am just saying am not gonna jump the gun and call someone who has always repeatedly asked and said “chanwoo are you okay? You can use the safe word you know?” Over and over again and even took care of chanwoo after their bdsm play and even when they chanwoo actually got abused, I can’t just call someone like that abusive because of one slap. I mean he has whipped chanwoo b4 and didn’t he choke him or something (I forgot lol). But how to put it......it’s like I go around calling my brother abusive just cuz he smacked me breaking his ps4 or something. It was done in fit of rage it’s not like he likes to tie me up and punch me or just start kicking me when he gets angry.

I didn’t say MD is an abuser, I said this situation is abusive, there’s a difference. The relationship has clearly changed since the whole rejection arc and this is the culmination of it.

HE WAS ABUSED, HE WAS ABUSED AND STAYED WITH HIS ABUSIVE BF. Can't you get that? that ABUSED people can't see that they are no longer safe????? because they thought staying in the relationship is much important than their safety??????????? Abused and easily manipulated people cannot give a PROPER consent. damn maychan you lack complex logic. gtfo

I think this manga puppy don't read replies. s/he was telling the same shit over and over again

MD can be seen as an abuser, he is abusive of his position as dom. but I still agree with you.

Um to xielian_in love, this is my reply to your comment No no I do. I do read trust me. And if you do read yourself, you would understand what I’ve been saying since in all of my replies. Please go read them like you are telling me to do am tired of typing, if not then don’t come after me



Now if u don’t have the guts to take my replies then don’t please don’t hop on my comments that we’re not directed at you and block me later. Keep ur disrespectful comments to urself

ooh I'll give it a shot, thanks for the rec!

So do I with you and Jess and I do see your perspective given the fact that a victim is conditioned towards abuse whether it has a sexual component and not. However this situation in particular is toxic because up to this point we saw MD as the good guy and now he’s really no different from his other exes.

I do read replies. U guys are the ones that don’t. Cuz if u read all my replies then you would catch on to what am saying. I repeat the same things cuz u guys repeat the same things too. Am only replying what u give me. So don’t hop on a thread without connecting the dots properly on who is saying what and who is doing what

puppy stfu, I block you bc you're annoying. at first I was "ok she has a different POV, she seems very young, and obviously likes the sadistic aspect of this chapter" but after the 9th time I see your name pop up in several comment threads, I can tell you just don't get it. I'd rather chat with other people whether or not they agree with me. stop shooting replies without reading stuff properly or you'll end up looking even more stupid. xo tschuss

if he was sooo abused why does he seek sub/dom contract? yeas Chanwoo is the one who seeks for it despite he can't say no, what kind of ruin the whole thing.
Chanwoo will keep seeking that kind of Dom/Sub relationship and he will not stop despite he can't say no! if Chan chooses to stay in there, there is nothing people can do for him until he learn to fucking say NO and leave.

You sort of contradicted yourself. Chanwoo has been into the idea of bdsm for a long time but hadnt found the right partner. Plus the guys he dated were always trash that had no respect for him. MD didnt fit his type physically, but he obvs knew what he was doing when it came to bdsm which is why Chanwoo doesnt want to lose their dynamic. As a dom, MD fits Chanwoo's ideals as a master.

If he is such an expert on how bdsm works and therefore a slap is nothing, why would he need to learn anything? If he already knows what is up, what lesson is there to learn? That is where the contradiction comes to play. Chanwoo does need to learn to take better care of himself before becoming a sub, because otherwise it is dangerous for him and his dom. In this case, for MD. Chanwoo isnt entirely free of fault, but neither is MD. MD is aware that Chanwoo has to learn limits before he can continue as a sub. Could that not be a reason why he hadn't contacted Chanwoo in so long? I mean that choking session was obviously not enjoyable for either of them. Id say MD was pretty fucked over it. Chanwoo didnt understand that what happened that day was wrong and unintentional. Im trying to see it from a more positive perspective since this is fiction. Id say that since this is a work of fiction, Chanwoo is better off learning about limits with MD than he is with a stranger that might not care and kill Chanwoo in the process. At least MD knew he had to stop at some point. Another dom might think Chanwoo is perfectly capable of saying no. But he isnt.

ahaha I see that. I admire your patience with them bc I for sure dont have the bandwidth to entertain their shitty logic for even a second *le sigh* anyways, you think the author will turn this around? I wonder how many chapters are left in this story

Lmao saying “it’s ok cuz it’s bdsm” is not an argument and repeating it doesn’t make it valid either. You’ve stated that you don’t have proper knowledge on bdsm so really wtf do you even know?

100%

Victims return to abusers because it’s a pattern and they’re conditioned too. Typically an experienced Dom/prodomme will be able to recognise this self destructive behaviour. Not only was md sold to us as being a pro but he saw the abuse himself and yet he still chose this route despite seeing how distraught Chanwoo is.

Couldn’t have said it better.

This is my last comment to u all-

I just wanna say I can’t jump the gun yet and call MD abusive because so far what I’ve seen from MD is that:

1. He REPEATEDLY tells chanwoo over and over again “are you okay chanwoo? It’s okay to use the safe word you know”
2. He takes proper care of chanwoo after their play (and abusive person would literally just leave him like that)
3. He took proper care of chanwoo when he was actually abused
4. Please don’t call it rape yet cuz the deed has yet to happen just cuz they said it would doesn’t mean it will. Let’s just await the next chapters”
- the forced kiss was sexual assault not abuse, know the difference.
5. Am chanwoo obviously clearly needs something strong to learn his lessons cuz um his past experiences aren’t doing their thing.
6. I can’t call this toxic just cuz of one slap, I mean it’s like my brother smacks me for sneaking out the house at night or breaking his ps4 and I go around calling him toxic and abusive. (Is that didn’t make sense I tried )
7. If chanwoo gets therapy as some are saying bdsm won’t be his pleasure anymore and the story would wander too far from the plot, also I think chanwoo knows he is getting abuse he’s just being stubborn and holding is pride or whatever he said b4
8. If chanwoo was slapped during their play I could bet you everyone would be like “oh well it’s their play” I mean come on guys.



That’s all see ya next chapter

Xielian_inlove

You stop shooting replies please. And stop ur disrespectful ass cuz no one was being disrespectful until u came along. U saw my name so many times cuz people like ur headass replied me so many times. Am pretty sure am not the only one here that appeared a lot. If u see me several comment thread that means I obviously commented there too and so u too need to shut the fuck up. If anything ur the young and immature one. I wasn’t texting u neither do I care about u so please don’t bother blocking me. U just don’t have the guts to face someone with different opinions otherwise u wouldn’t block someone who didn’t even know u existed :)

This will be my last comment on this thread then too:

1. Abusers can be extremely manipulative and can gaslight a few kind words doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
2. Aftercare is a necessity in bdsm not a luxury
3. He did then but what about now? How is he different and no saying “it’s bdsm” isn’t a valid.
4. Sexual assault is an umbrella term that includes rape so you’re the one who needs to learn the difference. Like seriously google it. Also like I stated to you twice already, I was referring to the future direction this was heading hence why I prefaced it with “if”.
5. Slapping a victim of abuse is your answer to curing him? What even.
6. No one cares about your brother to use your own words “it’s apples and oranges” since your experiences aren’t even remotely the same.
7. I think it would actually be a healthy character development for them both.
8. CONSENT.

Can you please answer to what I said. Because none of these points really answer my questions to you. But I will add to that I do not believe MD is abusive, he is just irresponsible. But again, please read what I had to say.

Oh and one more thing. Thank you to everyone who actually took the time to form a constructive conversation about this chapter, bdsm, abuse and survivors. :)

Couldn't have said it better myself <3 wish I could give likes to replies

Well I didn’t see any questions (Except one) directed at me all I saw were carefully stated opinions, so am not sure what am answering exactly. The other question I saw seemed like u weren’t asking it to get answers but rather to prove ur point.


But if it was my reply u were looking for here it is:
I understand your point of view and it makes sense and I see how u think. However I already said before in one of my comments and like you also stated “chanwoo knows what bdsm is, he knows how far it gets but still agreed to do it” So I don’t see the point you were trying to make to me when u stated that

And when I said learn, I didn’t mean learn what bdsm mean I meant learn how to say no and also to stop jumping to follow just any guy. This event that’s happening right now could serve as a lesson. A child would not stop playing with fire until they get burned and learn that that flaming red thing is not something to touch and play with. Now then if the kid only feels the heat of the flames they would keep on playing with the fire. This is the same type of situation.


Tbh I think people are just attacking me cuz the way I said things make it sounds like am dissing chanwoo and so they are trying to defend the character they support thereby missing my point. But am not dissing any character am just saying how I perceived things and that chanwoo needs to learn when to stop

We will all know in the next coming chapters if MD is abusive or not or where this is going, if the author wants MD abusive so he will be, if not then he will not be. if this relationship really turns toxic or not, and let’s see whose point made more sense. So until then. Bye

You’re commenting multiple times incorrectly about BDSM. When your sub says “No” YOU STOP, it’s no continuing or that’s no longer play, it’s rape. Having consent is still pretty prevalent, I’m a DOM and you’re disgracing bdsm by excusing rapists. Rules are a BIG part of it.

Chan never said stop or the safe word, so it isn't rape right now! read the chapter again, he agree to stay.

Ahem ahem to everyone in this thread I just wanted to say I TOLD Y’ALL SOOOOOO. Md wasn’t being abusive he was trying to make chawoo learn how to use the dang safe word. And like I said b4 chanwoo is like a kid playing with fire if he doesn’t get burned He’s not gonna learn that fire is not a toy. And now MD deliberately played as the fire to help chanwoo learn cuz he would have gotten into a bigger shit than that if he was left alone.

Oh I didn’t see ur comment b4 but Chan never said no now did he?

Now you sound like a husband telling his wife that he is beating her for her own good.

No.

i mean chanwoo can still say the safe word if he really didnt wanted to. but chanwoo prob doesnt know how to use the safe word man poor guy

This author does a terrible job in believable consensual relationships let alone bdsm. It’s beautiful art with romanticized toxic relationships. Bdsm is nothing like MD’s petty abusive jealousy. And please do not spread such ill informed misinformation.

You are talking to me? I just criticised op

Like literally, I sit here the whole day to talk to people that what MD is doing is wrong and it's horrible representatiom of BDSM ... So I'm rather shocked of your accusation.

My bad I meant @babybottom!

I agree with you

Oh ok. I agree with you of course!!!
This comment section makes me sick tbh.

I was hoping the author would do a better job with the second couple given how Chanwoo was initially introduced as self aware and confident enough not to be an emotional doormat like Dong-gyun but who was I kidding, she changed his entire personality and dynamic with MD to be just a continuation of some sick abuse play. It’s such a shame. It’s literally pulling teach to find a BL that doesn’t romanticize abuse or the very least acknowledges its impact on the characters as a negative rather than boyfriend material 101.

I haven't read a good, well written yaoi for a long time. Sometimes there are these neutral ones. Not super good but not harmful. But the rest... Smh
Yeah this author definitely loves her semes toxic.
But the comment section is unbelievable. Victim blaming, slut shaming, making flimsy excuses for MD, hiding behind BDSM as if it was answer for everything. They don't understand that BDSM play can really quickly get abusive and toxic. That what MD is doing right now is clear manipulation and really bad representation... An he is (supposedly) experienced dom.

I totally agree. I was so happy with their initial development. I am not into bdsm, but despite that I respect it as long as it is practiced safely. Their sub/dom dynamic aside they seemed very understanding of one another. MD was so tender and respectful and knew how to care for his subs. Chanwoo was spunky and able to stand up for himself (or so it appeared). I would have been content had the author just left them as is as soon as BJ Alex was over. She screwed up with Jiwon and DG, she just couldnt leave MD and Chanwoo alone. She was doing so well, they seemed to have such a healthy relationship. It appears this author likes the toxic tropes. Such a shame.

An important part of a dom's role is also to recognize when a sub is so far gone that they need to back off regardless of a safe word being used. They have worked together long enough for MD to know better. This is toxic and not a good representation of true bdsm. That being said, this is a fictional work by the author so it's their dog and pony show

“Claps claps claps” preach it. don’t get me wrong I’ve been reading BL since I was a preteeen and I’d say I’ve seen it all if I’m being honest so it really shouldn’t faze me. Yet it’s just so bizarre to me no matter what I read it could be a sweet benign plot and then I’m bam rape. I just personally have never understood the appeal. I like being dominated like the next person during sex don’t get me wrong but I’m attracted and fantasize about the lack of control willingly. Not the actual act of physiologically and physically broken at the expense of own autonomy. This is not what people actually desire when they have objectification kinks. Yet authors routinely use this as the basis of their work and incorrectly correlate rape with sexual freedom and experimentation. I just really worry about people who read this crap and internalize it. Despite not actually going out in the world raping people or purposely seeking to be raped, their ideas surrounding sexual eduction are impacted by what they’re told is deemed sexy or aspirational.

Honestly considering yaoi revolve around the smut, we cant expect them to portray something healthy or intelligent. That's where BL mostly comes into play. However these are two little gems that I absolutely adore.

This one is perfect. Not only is it funny as hell, but I appreciate how they discuss proper prep before doing the deed. I think it's pretty wholesome and the art is 10/10

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boku_no_omaw

I like how the characters handle their relationship progression for the most part. It has its flaws but it isnt overly dramatic and they dont have a toxic relationship. They communicate misunderstandings.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/thirty_years_old/

Anyways you have probably already read these. And if not they might be too vanilla. I dont think ive seen anything hardcore that isnt the typical toxic yaoi trope.

Honestly considering yaoi revolve around the smut, we cant expect them to portray something healthy or intelligent. That's where BL mostly comes into play. However these are two little gems that I absolutely adore.

This one is perfect. Not only is it funny as hell, but I appreciate how they discuss proper prep before doing the deed. I think it's pretty wholesome and the art is 10/10

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boku_no_omawarisan/

I like how the characters handle their relationship progression for the most part. It has its flaws but it isnt overly dramatic and they dont have a toxic relationship. They communicate misunderstandings.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/thirty_years_old/

Anyways you have probably already read these. And if not they might be too vanilla. I dont think ive seen anything hardcore that isnt the typical toxic yaoi trope.

Honestly considering yaoi revolve around the smut, we cant expect them to portray something healthy or intelligent. That's where BL mostly comes into play. However these are two little gems that I absolutely adore.

This one is perfect. Not only is it funny as hell, but I appreciate how they discuss proper prep before doing the deed. I think it's pretty wholesome and the art is 10/10

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boku_no_omawarisan/

I like how the characters handle their relationship progression for the most part. It has its flaws but it isnt overly dramatic and they dont have a toxic relationship. They communicate misunderstandings.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/thirty_years_old/

Anyways you have probably already read these. And if not they might be too vanilla. I dont think ive seen anything hardcore that isnt the typical toxic yaoi trope.

I’ve read both thank you. And the thing is I actually don’t mind toxic plots I just don’t want it romanticized. Killing Stalking funny enough is one of the few best examples of a proper toxic relationship that is simply toxic start to finish. I don’t blame the author but rather the fandom in how it’s been romanticized. The author is on record even saying it wasn’t her intention, though she possibly had to have know given the subject material and the genre this would happen regardless unfortunately. Fujoshi don’t give a fuck two men fucking is always love in their eyes. But yah get your money sis.

Killing Stalking is def a good example of how scary the world and someone's headspace can be. Too bad the fandom ruined it every time. I dont think the author intended to romanticize them but 12 year old fujos dont know any better.

"This author does a terrible job in believable consensual relationships"

Or maybe it wasn't supposed to be a believable consensual relationship? Maybe the author really meant to portray a toxic one. Why are possibilities being thrown out here. Smh

bruh is this how you think irl? I hope not baby, because you should never force yourself to be with someone you are not into. Also regarding the slap - yes and no. yes it could be part of play, but here we 1. know MD is frustrated bc of being rejected. and 2. Chanwoo is really surprised and not turned on AT ALL.

Okay, so people have been saying that MD and Chanwoo's relationship is beginning to be toxic and unhealthy. Dude, it's BDSM, a 'simple slap' isn't enough to faze something into considering the idea of a toxic relationship. Why bother reading a story about BDSM when you can't even stand a single slap from a seme to his uke?

Also, MD and Chanwoo doesn't even have a proper relationship yet. I say he's only being professional on being a DOM and he only slapped him because Chanwoo decided to disobey his order. That's what DOMs do to their SUBs. I don't mean to sound rude but, some of the readers here are a bit ignorant of BDSM. Seriously, it's not like he forced Chanwoo to obey his orders. He said it himself, "If you don't want to do it, you can leave". But, Chanwoo decided to stay so he's willing to obey him.

If you can still remember, there was this one chapter where MD punished Chanwoo—I think it was in chapter 20 to 30, I'm not sure—, and at that time, Chanwoo didn't give MD the consent to punish him. He uses some type of whip to hit his body at different areas.

My point here is, what's the difference of that scenario to what happened in the latest chapter, where MD slapped Chanwoo? And if there is a difference, it's still BDSM, a slap is normal in that field. Heck, there are even more things that is worse than a slap and y'all are getting so worked up about it.

Also, this is not trying to romanticed the both of them. I'm sure it will all work out in the next chapter.

If you want an example of a 'real toxic relationship', try reading Killing Stalking. That's the perfect example of an unhealthy relationship.

PS: This is just my view with regards to the happenings in the latest chapter. Feel free to agree and disagree.

You can read further in other comment threads how that is incorrect. The slap is just the tip of the iceberg. There are other reasons as to why MD and Chanwoo have no business being in a sub/dom relationship at this time until they can work out their issues. Chanwoo for one expecting MD to cater to his demands despite knowing how he really feels about him, and MD getting pressed that he was rejected and replaced for shitty guys and also ignoring his partner's red flags (like chanwoo being too stubborn to say the safe word even if it means it could kill him). That is why people are riled up in the comments right now.