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I understand where he is coming from, but he is a grown adult now. Holding onto anger as a child makes sense but him seeking revenge at his big age without even trying to understand why the older guy didn't/couldn't come that day is so astonishingly stupid of him (ML).

so you think trauma gets erased with age???? im sorry, genuinely saying this, but i dont think you're knowledgeable/mature enough to discuss this topic :C

i agree, i hope we and ML can learn soon what happened to make him not meet him that day an i hope ML ends up apologizing and they can both figure their stuff out together and hopefully get better, i understand how ML could still feel hatred for all of that though, ive gone through some same experiences and it always sucks to see it in comics and stuff, but i really hope with time (and soon) it all gets figured out between MC and ML

I believe there's a misunderstanding here. Expressing concern about the ML's actions isn't suggesting that trauma gets erased with age. Rather, they're emphasizing the importance of addressing trauma in a constructive manner, especially as ADULTS. Seeking revenge through such extreme measures isn't justifiable, regardless of one's past experiences. It's not about overlooking trauma, but rather finding healthier ways to cope and seek resolution. Sounds crazy considering his backstory was horribly rough! . Engaging in mature discussions about complex topics like this requires considering various viewpoints and exploring alternatives to violence. It's not a matter of maturity, but rather an approach to handling difficult situations with empathy and understanding. so you shouldn’t tell the other person they don’t have enough knowledge on this topic when yourself didn’t comprehend what they said. Just saying

Trauma doesn’t disappear with age and that’s not what they were saying. He’s not a child who doesn’t have the mental capacity to think before he does this is very clearly something he thinks about and then is like yup I’m in the right, he left me.. ummm no that’s not how that works. I understand empathizing with him but he’s an adult and is old enough to know that what he’s doing is wrong

I appreciate your input on the other person, but you're honestly too kind on them. I think anyone with two cents can tell they meant what they said at face value. You, on the otherhand, had deeper input. That person simply wanted to say the ML was acting as a idiotic manchild without much regard to how trauma could affect a person's mental capacity and way of thinking.

Just because your body is grown, does NOT mean your mental capacity goes along with that growth as well.

And I also have to say, you've disregarded how experiences shape a person. The moment the ML's innocence was taken away, was the moment his world stopped, and by chance, is simply continuing to exist solely because of anger, and with that, a goal of revenge. You cannot hold his way of thinking at the same level as everyone else, much less a normal adult. He was gangraped as a child. I know, you, of all people, should understand the impact that would have on a person. So I disagree that this is not a matter of maturity. If someone wants to discuss something as delicate as this seriously, then you should hold yourself at some level of grace. And I will continue to hold them against that, as I see it fit. They are not mature/knowledgeable enough to discuss this topic.

And again, for the ML, I feel like I should clarify this explicitly, he cannot hold down a conversation calmly nor is he in his right mind to be able to think about holding a proper talk of what happened as he is drowning in his own experiences. Even a normal person cannot think properly when they are blinded by rage, yes? So I don't understand why you people are so desperate to hold the ML by that standard when we all know the fucked up past he went through. It is not an excuse by any means, but it should be understandable to everyone on why he does what he does. Rather than starting a lynch on a clearly traumatized person going violent, it would be much more reasonable to stay quiet and see how things play out.

So please excuse me for "not comprehending" :3 (not rlly lol)

I respectfully disagree.

Why? When you’re talking about something this serious you should have reasons to think the way you do. I prolly should’ve added this before but even if the MC did abandon him, his is reaction STILL wrong I saw a lot of comments saying “he didn’t even ask why he didn't come” but it doesn’t matter, it’s not like he wanted him to get raped or for something bad to happen to him holding him responsible for the actions of others is wrong and the MC was also a child (I’m assuming bc they were in an orphanage) so it would’ve been wrong of MC yes but understandably to be scared to run away. Also since it seems like this is the road ur going down mental health is not an excuse to hurt ppl unless ur absolutely insane and incapable of rational thought which ML is not. So respectfully i would like to know why u disagree with me.

you do know that I can read this right? lmao.
the others were right because they had the minimum number of brain cells required to understand what I meant.

hypocritical since i've already responded to the same claims you had with that person :3 if you washed over that to respond to the "insult" i gave, then that's on you and your own braincells

I didn't say any of the things you talked about lol, delulu is the solulu ig

I didn't respond to you as I've already responded to the same opinion from someone else, I'd just be a broken record at that point, no? So i simply said I don't agree and moved on with you, specifically. If you want a response, it would be the same one I gave the one before you, so you can reply to that if you wish to do so.

And idk if you've read anything I've said in the original comment or any of my other replies, but I've never said what he did was right? Please do not try to pick up something unless you've fully comprehend everything. No one here has ever said what the ML did was correct, so I don't know how you got that idea? But from what I can see, you've clearly made up your mind about what the "opposing side" of your opinion is and are refusing to take in any other info?

No one is even centering MC here as we all know he never meant for that to happen. What I am stating here is how hypocritical it is of the majority of you to put blame on the ML knowing it is an entire response to the traumatic event he went through. If a dog caught rabies and became violent, would you blame the dog or the rabies? The ML is drowning in anger and is incapacitated to think normally and talk it out like any other person. He is, quite literally, blinded by rage. The same rage that kept him from killing himself after that event. So yes, this is a valid, but not correct, response I could see from a traumatized child who's body grew into that of an adult.

you already are a broken record

this is an A to B convo, person C should just C a therapist and continue to play with their imaginary friends

this is why thinking is important before making a "controversial take". well, thinking is important in general, it increases critical thinking skills and self-awareness, which some people tend to lack

Actually what’s you are doing is exactly what u are saying ur not doing, yes u wouldn’t blame the dog for catching rabies but the dog is still put down/put in containment you can’t let a dog run around hurting ppl just bc it has rabies I read ur responses to other ppl and that’s why I said I see what response ur gonna give, don’t act like u didn’t say what u said, if we’re talking about comprehension ur the one who misunderstood someone that made a valid point and looked stupid. U wanna talk about how u think u know it all but ur actually just rude asf trying to make other ppl look dumb just bc u don’t have a response to what they said? why don’t u listen when MULTIPLE ppl tell u what ur saying is a harmful way of thinking

My controversial take stands firm, your incapacity to think beyond your own shallow understanding that you're masquerading as a deep input is clownery. hope that helps!

"hope that helps!" while saying absolute gibberish lmfao

Omgggggg what do you not understand? I'm willing to walk you through it, so can you tell me in bullet form what you're not getting?

And you blatantly misunderstanding a point I made so clearly just so you could justify your "side" is actually frustrating. It's also lowkey hilarious how you're defending a person who I said wasn't mature enough for this convo as they actively whine like a child to me. And with that, I simply matched their energy since they're so desperate to be seen as one.

Now let's clarify your fcked up comprehension, because it's simply starting to irritate me at this point. And if you still can't see my point, then simply do not respond. This would be the third time I explain it, and I'm dumbing it down further for you, since you want to be one so much.

First and foremost, as I've said all the other times, the ML's actions are wrong and disgusting, but it isn't baseless. His actions are a response to his experience. No one is justifying it, no one is even gonna defend that shit. My statement is simply that HIS ACTIONS DID NOT COME OUT OF NOWHERE, in fact, it was a predictable outcome other than him killing himself.

Which is where the "dog with rabies" come into play. The dog being the ML and the rabies being his traumatic experience. His entire response was either to be paired with sadness, that will result to suicide, or anger, which will result to revenge. Point blank that is it. Are you actually saying we should kill him instead? The hypocrisy screams in magnitude there.

And as I've said, that thing you're defending is a little shit who you claim I'm so rude towards when I'm simply matching their energy. Care to hold them to the same account you're holding me? Lol.

"I understand where he is coming from, but he is a grown adult now. Holding onto anger as a child makes sense but him seeking revenge at his big age without even trying to understand why the older guy didn't/couldn't come that day is so astonishingly stupid of him (ML)."

That is the anger of a child in a grown man's body y'all are so desperately trying to crucify. You are reducing his experience to mere immaturity. Do you not see how dangerous that is to people who actually experience that? You are only able to villainize the ML because you know the MC's side. But what of the ML who doesn't know? Blinded by rage, would you actually be willing to hear out his side given the circumstances? I know if I was him, I'd actually just straight up go to murder because in my mind, there is no way getting gangraped can be excuse by anything other than him (MC) being near the verge of death (which the MC was, but the ML doesn't know that). And I'm pretty sure after I killed the MC, I'd kill myself as well bc the rage I had for him was, quite literally, the only thing that kept me alive.

Do you understand? ML being unable or is practically disregarding the option of communicating is UNDERSTANDABLE. What do you not understand?

You keep telling me I'm being rude but was I ever rude to people who weren't rude to me first? FFS I hate talking to people who just want to talk and not discuss.

And if you think I'm talking just to be "all that" then pleassseeeee stop talking to me. I commented to make a discussion and am rebutting opinions I do not agree with, just like any normal back-and-forth discussion. If you feel like I'm talking to you as if you're dumb, then that's your own insecurity talking and I am unwilling to participate in your problems, so leave me out of that.

Keep defending that little shit cz I will keep returning the same energy that thing gives me for as long as he keeps coming on to me with idiotic and aggressive responses. But if you continue defending that, then I'm putting you under the same category as that shit.

And I am not the one who is saying anything harmful, what am I even saying that is harmful to anyone??? You guys are the only one disregarding a side in the story while I'm trying to say I see both of their points and experiences? Crazy comprehension honestly.

just say you're too dumb to understand, it's okay<3 lol acoustic af

sure, whatever helps you sleep at night babe

Brooo ur the one who is willfully ignorant u responded to me in a condescending manner the only person u didn’t respond to in a condescending manner was the person u sucked up to “ur too kind on them” wtf are u talking abt bc they had the common sense to know what that person was saying they’re too kind? Also nobodies diminishing what the ML went through it just doesn’t matter atp he’s taking it out on the wrong person point blank. brother is an adult and as I’ve said before nobody gaf when ur actively harming ppl I don’t see how ur not getting it. Ofc I wasn’t talking abt putting him down it’s a fucking metaphor just like how the ML isn’t actually a dog don’t be purposefully dumb. The ML being unable to communicate isn’t UNDERSTANDABLE actually you saying this is rlly proving what I said abt u giving him excuses. The harmful way of thinking is bc ur giving him excuses ur literally saying “oh I know what he does is wrong BUT” see that “but” part is where it all goes downhill STOP it doesn’t matter, IDCCC, he’s a grown man and clearly isn’t in this “rage” u keep referring to he’s just twisted and genuinely thinks he’s in the right. And im not defending anyone I think they made a valid point and u responded weird so I chimed in, im not here to save them, they seem capable of taking care of themself. Btw you saying this is how u would react is crazy and rlly shows me YOURE the one lacking the mental capacity for this convo :3

you're still here? omg creep get away from me

your tactics to avoid responsibility are so amusing, just like a 12 y/o who started using social media

How am I the one that's willfully ignorant omgggggg my whole point was recognizing how mentally incapable the ML is in thinking in a normal manner cz of trauma while you people are saying he should suck it up cz he's already a grown adult. Do you see how crazy y'all are by not taking into account that entire slip in the past the author spoon fed the readers? It's crazyyy how you're just bending everything to stroke yourselves, it's actually mentally drainingggg talking about the same point over and over again. So this will be my last reply since you're clearly refusing to comprehend or understand so talk to the wall after this.

And AGAIN, I give back what is given to me. If you see my initial replies to you as aggression then that's on you omfg. The point where I grew "condescending" was the point where I kept repeating myself repeatedly because YOU kept REFUSING TO SEE the point I was trying to make and actually twisting it into me defending the ML's actions despite CLEARLY stating it in my original comment how wrong and disgusting it is.

If you're jealous of the first person I replied to respectfully then just say sooooo, even though I was also respectful to you at first lol. Not anymore though cz you're crazy af.

That ML was wrongggg and all I've said was that I SEE WHY he's doing the actions he is doing for reasons I've already stated again and again. I've NEVER excused his actions nor have I supported it but naaahhh you wanna keep repeating that "No! Boohoo he's an adult and he should act as one regardless of the nasty shit he's been through. Yeah, he got gangraped as a child but that doesn't mean he's going to be affected mentally. Booo you're so mean! I'm not bending you're words, you are! You're so dumb" IT'S CRAZYY TALKING TO Y'ALL OMGGG. Y'all kept putting words in my mouth and I'm spitting it out cz no wayyyyy.

Actually see documentaries of people getting raped or have gone through an intensely traumatic experience and see how mentally jarring it is to live normally after. The ML's response to it isn't the same as the majority where he gets weak and become VISIBLY incapacitated, but his is on the extreme side of going ape-shit out of anger and confusion WHICH WAS MY POINT. His actions are a response, it isn't unprovoked. It is wrong but understandable in HIS CIRCUMSTANCE. If you still don't get it then that's on you and your mother for not nurturing you as a baby cz clearly there's an effect on your unloved childhood past that is surfacing right now cognitively. BYE LOL

so what responsibility am I avoiding creep? LOL recognize your own fault and actually get out of my notifs, it's gross you're still here despite telling you to go away. no respect for boundaries much? yuck

calling me a "creep" won't make you right xD

also there's an option to mute it this thread, if you haven't turned it off then that's on you, not my fault I am using a public domain to give my opinions (just like you)

Alr buddy if that’s what u wanna say u think what u wanna think but I’m telling u the way u think is harmful idc how u spin it once again nobody is diminishing what he went through but u seem to think that’s an excuse to do whatever u wanna do. No it’s not and ur dumb for thinking that. U only see it ur way I did try to get where ur coming from but at a certain point it’s just insanity be for real it doesn’t matter what he went through so many murderers go through things when they’re young its doesn’t give them the excuse to carry on that cycle. And u were rude the first time I talked to u don’t fucking lie u weirdo. There is something rlly holding u back mentally. Bye babes

I must respectfully disagree. While I understand the impact of childhood trauma and its lasting effects on individuals, it's still important to recognize that people cope with such experiences in various ways and he could've gone about it differently.
Just because someone has endured trauma doesn't automatically justify their harmful actions as adults. I empathize with the ML's past, but I firmly believe there are better ways to address and cope with trauma, such as seeking therapy.

Your assertion that I, as someone who may have experienced childhood trauma, should automatically sympathize with the ML's actions oversimplifies that complexity of trauma and healing. While trauma undoubtedly shapes individuals, it doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their choices as adults?

Furthermore, the notion that the ML's inability to engage in calm conversation or seek therapy due to his trauma excuses his actions is deeply concerning dude. As a director and an adult, he should have the capacity to recognize the wrongfulness of his actions and seek help. Choosing to perpetuate cycles of abuse instead of seeking better alternatives is unacceptable. It isn't even the MC's fault either. You choosing to go through the killer route is insane too ngl, but again I'm not trying to overlook his trauma but it seems like you keep skipping that part and telling us that we're in the wrong?? Drum's comment, "You can't let the dog run around hurting ppl just bc it has rabies." is a great a fucking point and showcases what we're exactly talking about.

And as I've said before, repeatedly, I have NEVER justified nor supported his actions and have always recognized it is wrong. My whole statement was that his actions were not without reason and is simply a response to his blind rage. Point blank period. I have never said it is right and have never said he should continue doing so. I hope that can finally get across cz y'all are the ones who are skipping over words.

I fully recognize your point of him being wrong, from the beginning might I add, and as I've stated before, I am simply directing light on how his actions had basis, despite how wrong it is.

And as you've said yourself, it is important to note that people cope with such experiences in various way and he could've gone about it differently, a point which I never disagreed with? But unfortunately, he didn't. Hence, my what I've been trying to explain every single time how what he did was a different coping mechanism FOR HIS CIRCUMSTANCE. And AGAIN, I've never condoned that behavior. And IDK how you missed that but what you said right there is exactly the point I've been trying to get across but y'all seem to refuse any kind of further comprehension because you're stuck on the idea that I'm excusing and supporting the ML's actions? It's infuriating to say the least, explaining over and over again.

And AGAIN, I never had any intention to absolve him of any sins, I'm actually getting sick of trying to explain this, but at this point, you surely understand what I'm trying to say, right? Because if not, then you can stand together with those other two.

You say I'm oversimplifying trauma when you're the one sticking a traumatized person's capacity to be on the same standard as a normal adult simply because he is grown? It's quite a hypocritical statement, if I'm being honest. You preach on the complexity of trauma, yet fail to hold the different responses each and every individual can commit, fully knowing this fact as well. His responses are on the extreme side, you've stated how you've also underwent a traumatic experience, and I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, but it seems to me your limiting another traumatized person's response to your own. Which I advise you not to do as you know fully well, your experiences may be similar but it is not the same, nor is his character the same as yours.

And as I've stated before, his intense anger is his response to his experiences and his POV. Again, you cannot hold him on the same level as any adult as every single individual is different, the same goes for each of their responses as well, which you've fully recognized? His response is blinded anger. Even a normal person cannot think clearly when experiencing extreme anger, yes? So I really do not understand how you're not getting this and are still pushing for him to be able to think rationally when we can all see how he is clearly unable to do so? And I have to clarify again cz I have the feeling you're gonna go off on your own conclusions, but I still do not justify his actions. I am simply recognizing the cause. What are you so hell bent on saying I am wrong for doing so?

Hey, haven't read allll the comments, but thought your comments have been interesting and wanted to add to the discussion.

You're correct that trauma, particularly at young age totally impacts someone's development, hence his total anger. The ML also lacks insight and the ability to self regulate. He can't move beyond how he felt in those moments. Through his perspective, perhaps this behaviour all makes sense. It sounds to me you're trying to explain the 'why' of the behaviour and his perspective, not necessarily say what he's doing is okay.

In saying that I think there's a murky line here between understanding the why of someone's behaviour and then recognising the consequences. He may not have the insight to 'act rationally', but most certainly has the responsibility to do so. We can and should hold adults to a particular standard. The standard being not doing harm unto others, respecting their bodily autonomy and their right to freedom. The basic understanding of right and wrong. The standard doesn't and should not drop.

There are several serial killers who have had awful, terrible, traumatic childhoods - this certainly helps us understand them and their behaviour. But it doesn't change the consequences of their actions. Some people over the course of their life experience really significant adverse events and they become angry, jaded and hateful - they can understand right from wrong, even if they feel justified in their actions.