You could look back at the third sex scene and know Junho enjoyed it. Prostate orgasms take some skill on the part of the seme. Lee Kang is clearly overjoyed about it.
No one is thinking it through enough or seeing all the signs of Lee Kang having a massive crush on Junho that he can't handle. He's always had full control over his emotions and sex life. Junho has him completely off-balance
and what if he enjoyed it? it's still rape
thank you!
no one said it wasn't rape, idiot
im not sure what your problem is but what are you gaining by attacking everyone's opinions and commenting on all these posts. if you enjoy this story which romanticizes rape that's your choice but no need to argue with other's opinions. you have a right to your opinion but so does everyone else. also name-calling is such a childish thing to do :)
everyone is up to here with their ranting crap about rape. They deserve the backlash.
that "romanticizes rape" is a made-up bullshit label. No one is doing that. It's just another part of the hateful shtick of the rape-o-phobia club.
You should hear the names they've called me
okay, mommy?
I own this comment section, see? lmao
Just report them. Idk why anyone would like rape and this person is really defending it like it’s a good thing.
nothing I've said has defended rape. You lie. why do you guys lie so much?
I like rape fantasy in yaoi. there is nothing wrong with that
okay, you are entitled to your opinion. i saw your other post and you seem well educated and to have a proper stance, even though i don't agree with it. i learned that you acknowledged this is a fantasy and that real life is different. i assumed you were saying in some of your comments that in BL it's okay because its a story that was created but you do take it seriously in real life. you comment on people's posts because you have separated the two and want people to understand why this story isn't bad. however, people like me are uncomfortable with these types of stories and i find it hard to understand the fantasy. im not trying to argue i just think you could come off a bit more kind... also, i would be a great mommy so blah
(side comment) for people confused i am somewhat educated in sports and when anyone particularly men face sexual harassment they rarely step forward, especially in this case when their future is promising. Junho isn't going to the police because he could be removed from the baseball team losing a great opportunity - the players are being fully taken care of and are saving thousands of dollars. without this school, the chances of him going pro will greatly decrease. he would lose most self-respect for himself and most likely from the players if they found out about what he's going through. remember its all about money and being successful. plus finding out the dean guy (whatever he is) is tied to kang just means the chances of anything happening to kang are very slim. junho isn't fighting back when it comes to the blackmail and rape because he has a high paying future ahead of him. this is just somewhat what i think, doesn't mean its correct.
thank you for being a rational human being with some intelligence, and for making fair observations. The people I'm opposed to are.... I don't know how familiar you are with the situation. I won't talk about that because I don't want to inflame this conversation. I only take it seriously in that I have some work that is connected to this industry. I don't get any thrill whatsoever irl thinking about or watching such things on film. I dislike violence. I like this manhwa in particular, and I'm not sure why but there's no such thing as an uncomplicated psyche as far as sexuality is concerned. Honestly, I can't care about everyone's human tragedy. I'd be depressed all the time. I don't appreciate the identity politics people use here. It's wrong and dangerous. If we have to accrue victim points in order to get to speak, that's wrong. Using something, for example like "as a member of a marginalized group, and as a person who has been sexually assaulted, how dare you disagree with me on rape in fiction or (fill in the blank). Everyone has every right to speak about any issue, so people using their scars as a way of silencing people like me, well, they're wrong. If we walk have to walk on eggshells around anyone who might have had any kind of tragedy, rape included, we can't have a conversation at all
rape as a fantasy is normal. when people here condemn me for saying so, and twist my words into things I'd never say - that's the problem. They say many horrible things, insults like calling me a rapist, a rape apologist, racist, weirdo, morally incorrect, nazi that's only a small sample.
I've had people wish rape on me. also that I get knifed - more than one person said this. It's at such an extreme and radical level that no one can ever mention rape unless it's in their pre-approved context. You have to say that all rape as a topic is bad and we need to get rid of it in all places, even manga. they have no right to dictate what any artist wants to express. For defending this, I'm the enemy to them. I'm sick of them and their rhetoric. there's a lot of them here, all parroting the same lines all the time
I also say that violence is wrong. they hate hearing that as well.
you'd probably be a good mommy. too bad this world has gone completely off the rails lately. lol
one thing, an artist might write and draw a story about rape because they were raped and are expressing their experience in their art for whatever reason they have.
It is so selfish, me me me. to always only think about your discomfort about rape in stories without ever considering that it's really not about you, and that there might be more involved than you think. sorry. I know that's blunt.
OMG!! Raindemon totally pissed off the women in here.
also, you know.... don't steal my baseball post.
I find it!! Nobody gonna get away with exploding my Raindemon's baseball knowledge of baseball, so I go on witch hunt. Lookie what I found!! plagjureize
raindragon July 7, 2020 8:15 pm
Junho as a first draft pick stands to be worth hundreds if not millions of dollars as soon as he graduates. It's not stupid to do what he can to keep playing baseball.
raindragon July 8, 2020 4:18 pm
there's plenty of dislike for homosexuality in Asian culture from what I've always heard. However, dislike of homosexuality wouldn't matter. Baseball teams have to win. They're highly motivated, coaches and players. Teams have pitchers and then they have their ace. He's the best pitcher, and he's essential to getting the team wins. He's been trained for two years and more in preparation leading up to him taking the ace position. The national championship, Koshien. This author has set out a tournament, not as important as Koshien, but if they lose, it might take them out of the running for Koshien.
Honestly, the chairman would never bench the ace. A lot of money is riding on these games. He's be totally invested in them winning. The chairman vs the team's win just to grant a favor to a student? Never happen. As far as the seme, swim teams don't compete against baseball teams. that's just stupid. again, we're going with the premise". lol
true stuff: junho is protecting his now and future. He might play in the pros. He stands to make a lot, like a million dollars right out of high school if he's good enough. It would be stupid of him not to lay low and stay out of trouble.
there it is we have it. the full trial tanskrit. well exerts of it. bad, copycat weener. lol Raindragon, you're welcome. you might be a baseball god, but u still owe me a bj you keep voiding. Lmao
I forgt this part=
raindragon July 8, 2020 6:13 pm
I wouldn't. It's too humiliating for men. He should go, (cops)of course, but I'm sure he doesn't want the embarrassment. It would be humiliating. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.
and I of vast storejhouse baseball knowlege SaY
I will add that baseball scholarships are for shit. they're not giving away thousands of full ride scholarships. there's rules, goofball. an I dont think Jho is laylow for money. there's more to it. lots more.
Miki! I was only joking with her. LOL you fukin bloodhound. Now I'm probably in trouble with bluedeath, and that's not where I want to be! I have to say thank you for being my loyal baseball whore, though. LOL. BAD Miki! how many times is it now that you got me in hot water? sorry, blue
you provided a lot of evidence i’ll give you applause for that but i didn’t steal his post. i never read any of the thing he wrote associated with baseball only focused on the ones with his stance on the rape. they may sound the same but did you consider me and him are just educated? if i stole his post i would not have tagged him. i appreciate your loyalty but do not accuse me of falsely writing my own thoughts :))
hahaha you’re definitely in trouble but that’s simple because you haven’t replied to my email complementing your work. these post are in the past and i said what i said. if you thought i stole your words you would have told me that day. i know it was a joke silly :))
I'm calling you down on for stealing then denying. you should apolgize
here's a message: Sohee21, do not talk to me then make it so I can't talk to you. that is so rude.
that goes for riflroo or whatever your name is. I might rather be raped than be subjected to any more of your shrieking grating rape rattle. Thought you could have the last word by suddenly blocking, huh, coward
LOL I drove those two serpents out of the garden.
I don’t know why you are so hateful because I have not once disrespected you or called you any names so idk why you are calling me a “serpent”. You said that people have free speech but you are going around harassing people who have a problem with rape because you don’t. If you like it good for you but just as you have that right we have the right to voice our opinions.
Isn't that what you're doing?
-You guys hateful things all the time.
-I disagree with you. that's all.
-You blocked me. It's a snakey thing to do.
-You guys have endlessly harassed me. I don't like it, but I wouldn't shut you down for anything.
anyway, anything you don't agree with you call harassment. I have made comments you don't like. that's all
would you like to know what your peers have said to me with no provocation from me, just saying my opinion. They deliberately speak in bad faith, accusing me of saying things I never did or would say
You don’t know me. I don’t call anything harassment. I stated my opinion and you stated yours but you continue to go back and forth. I posted my comment and YOU decided to comment on it, I did not seek you out or ask for you to state your stance on rape in fiction I just posted my OPINION on the story I was reading.You have your opinion and I have mine so I don’t know why we are still having this discussion. You can separate fiction from reality good for you but as for me I don’t like rape in stories like this and that is my right so I don’t know why you are letting other people’s opinions bother you. Enjoy what you enjoy and let other people do them. we have free speech and can say what we want that is why these stories have comment sections. I’m done with this discussion and I’m moving on from this whole thing because it wasted more of my time than I wanted to give to it.
One I don’t know who “you guys” are I don’t right hateful things all the time as this was my first comment on a story. We disagree but you continued to say snarky things about my opinion. Also I have the right to block you if I want to just as you have that same right. Nothing is snake-like about it, if I don’t want to interact with you I don’t have to and the same for you with me that is our right.
you act like all things are equal. they're not. I'm posting this to test if you're blocking me, which is a morally wrong practice imo. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have a right to do it.
anyone can comment. I don't need to be sought-out in order to speak to you or anyone. It is NOT your right to have any say whatsoever in what an artist chooses to express in their art. that includes all the stories here and all the art. Honestly, the nerve of everyone always saying they don't like rape in stories. so what? None of you have said what you'll do about it. all you do is gripe. All of these wrongful opinions together, although wrongheaded and against freedom of speech, do have an effect. surely you must see that. You influence others. You influence the industry. You never stop to think about the people who create these works. these stories and art are some artist's entire life. the training, practice, talent and skill it takes to do this would stagger you. you can't begin to imagine. so I really wish you people would stop and think before you speak so vehemently all together with one agenda without thinking about the very heart of the matter, the artists.
You need to stop addressing me as “you people”. Second You are the only one against freedom of speech. You are assuming things about me and you don’t know me Or what I do. Why is it okay for you to have your opinion but I can’t have mine? You like rape in stories; as I said before good for you. I am fully aware that people who have experienced that trauma before would write about it but this story in particular I do not like. People have the right to dislike things just as you have the right to like things. As I look at it now you are the one who is trying to stifle my freedom of speech and how I am allowed to feel. You call other people’s opinions wrong but what makes your opinion so right? They are only opinions. If people are sending messages to the artists and authors of mangas etc. about how they feel that’s on them, I do no such thing like that. I just don’t like rape in any shape or form and it is as simple as that. I simply stated how I felt after reading something and you decided to jump down my throat telling me how I should get over what I read but I can feel how ever I want about it, art and stories are here for interpretation to the person reading it so if I don’t like how a story is progressing that’s my right I just don’t understand why that is bothering you. Why can’t I have the right to feel how I feel? I’m not trying to change your mind on how you feel so why are you so down on me? I make one damn comment and it becomes an unnecessary debate. If you want to continue that’s up to you but I’m seriously over it and done with this conversation because it just doesn’t make any sense why I can’t have my opinion and you have yours and move on with our lives. Have a good day
If this was your first comment on a story, I can see where you might feel that I jumped on you with both feet, so I apologize.
My thing is that I'm tired of being jumped on by 25, 30 feet. This is the only time I've ever seen anyone, me, go against this very vocal (bunch of assholes)
No matter how mild, if you say you don't think a particular story was rape, as I have a few times, I get an entire comment section up in arms against me. You can't discuss it with the people here. Their feeling, as I understand it, is there is no discussion, no debate, on the subject of rape. There are stories where I see it as ridiculous to call what happened in the story rape. but they don't so they get very vicious if anyone disagrees. It's their way, and having the nerve to object is unacceptable. No one speaks against them anymore except me and a few others, but there are silent people who upvote, which is appreciated. Mangago has made it all but impossible to comment anonymously now, so those who would speak out if they could comment anonymously, don't.
They don't want to bring down the freaking reign of terror down on their heads.
I'm a free speech absolutist, but I will try to convince you of something I think is right using everything I've got. That, too, is free speech. So these radicals can expect that at least one person will stands against their tyranny when they call anything and everything rape. I'm not referring to this story, k?
It's this comment section where I simply had it with all the hateful, horrible stampede against anything they don't like. they are not right all of the time, and they are unreasonable a lot of the time.
for once I read the whole argument. LOL I'm with you, Raindemon, buddy. Me don like no hate either lmao
Mr. Junho uke is the baseball team's ace. The coaches will band together and kill that chairman and dump his cold dead body down a sink hole if he tries to bench their ace. LOL
There's not a school in the world who would risk an important game by making the pitcher sit it out for no good reason. Now there's a real flaw. Endearing, isn't it?
if you want to enjoy this, suspend your disbelief. If you want to bitch in a comment section, please carry on. No problem. LOL I think the author gave enough reasons to cover your issues, but this is fiction. There's bound to be flaws.
For one thing, these authors are under tremendous pressure to crank this stuff out. Even in the best novels, people can often point out flaws. It's fun to find those flaws, but it's not fun if you can't get your head into the story in spite of the flaws.
and? who the fuck cares about stockholm syndrome if it's a good story? You can't set that oppressive moral stupidity for a few minutes? This isn't a "set an example for all the world to see." It's a story to read for pleasure
*aside
okay buddy
The no-rape fanatics are giving horrifically personal insults to the people who are enjoying this manhwa. Rapist, Pedophile, Rape Apologist - What justifies so much vile abuse? You mostly say you object to rape in yaoi because it might affect someone's behavior offline, yet you read Killing Stalking and watch violent films. How many of you went on an axe murdering spree after reading that shit? You guys have no excuse for all your hatefulness
periodt
LOL yeah
what the fuck are you on? rape is NEVER okay so u jacking off ur shit to it and justifying rape is sooo fucked up. fuck u and ur weird ass kinks fucker face. as someone who’s been a victim of sexual assault and knows victims ur disgusting. go get a fucking life :) fuck you!
I've explained all my logic. If you go back through my comments, you could maybe be fair about it. You can disagree, but I think you might find at least a few reasons why you could put this story in a more favorable light. A lot worse things could happen to you than rape. Who skewed your and all you peers to such a radical view?
Guess what, there are people who are not all that affected by rape. You can't say all rape is as devastating as you people claim. there are exceptions. I know of one first hand, not me, my sister. I'm not going to tell the story to you. use your delusional imagination.
I don't care what you think of me. Haven't I been obvious about that I'm not a child. I don't need your approval or any of your brainwashed rapephobic friends. I think you're abusive and wrong.
right now you can see many of my comments on page 2. You're welcome. LOL
if you know victims yourself why the fuck are you defending it? and yes ive read ur bullshit other replies LOL. ur just mocking other people. stop justifying something as traumatizing as that. tf
“you could be fair with it” ??? in this situation theres a right and a wrong and YOU are wrong. rape is not a fucking political topic.
It most certainly is a political topic. How did you manage to miss that?
-In no situation is there a black and white, and a person isi innocent till proven guilty.
-Rape is not traumatizing to a fictional character, and I've never justified real life rape.
- I don't like violence. I happen to like this one story, not all rape stories. I wish people would stop referring to masturbating to a rape story. It's offensive. I'm interested in freedom of speech, not violently hurting another human being.
what I think about this comment is that the person typing it is a badly behaved, disrespectful child who makes it her business to deliberately misunderstand everything I say. I guess it's fun when everyone around you supports you in your beliefs no matter how irresponsible and immature.
I don't jack off to rape. I have a couple of kinks, but none of them include hurting an innocent victim. I'm opposed to violence, and I don't enjoy it, not even in fantasy. It's wrong to falsely accuse a person of things they've never done or would do.
everyone has read Hidoku Shinaide, right? It has a 9.6 rating, and everyone loves the Maya who raped Nemugasa in the first chapter. Unfortunately, the newbie readers see the word rape and snap. They've managed to drop this manga to an 8.1 rating. It's obvious that Lee Kang has been madly in love with Junho from the start . The guy is bound to go out of his head for Junho. As evil as Lee Kang is, he's going to have to put in equal time being good to Junho in order to win his heart - just like Maya did. that's what I think.
I think it’s hard to compare this manga and Hidoku since I feel like the dynamics are different?? Like between Lee Kang and Junho it seems like there is no chemistry at all, it’s all lee Kang being really aggressive and abusive towards Junho. Whilst in Hidoku you can see the chemistry between Maya and Nemugasa develop over time. Honestly it is hard to judge right now because all the chapters show Lee Kang in a negative light, and that’s why everyone sees him that way. Not saying that any backstory or redemption arc are going to redeem what he has done to Junho, but it is needed before making a solid judgement on his actions. Rape can never be justified, but there is always a blurry line between consensual and rape when it comes to yaoi. So far, that blurry line hasn’t really been present whenever Lee Kang rapes Junho, and that is what is making a lot of readers offput. I don’t want to get too much further into the debate and risk offending anyone. Nevertheless, thanks for giving me another perspective.
thank you. I see your points
i read your comment again,and I really respect your observations. I think you're right on just about everything
Wow thanks for saying so! I’m grateful we could share opinions and grow from each other. :)
Junho is very cute and appealing, and he was hard to perceive as a homophobic jerk, but he is at the beginning. A homophobe getting some payback, and also having a gay guy teach him a lesson about himself, is interesting. I don't see how you can deny that. We never see this king of story anymore.
I think that goes WAYYYYYY beyond payback. That guy is not teaching him a lesson, those are just criminal actions.
*kind not king. sheesh. lol
I guess I should have said showing him himself or holding up a mirror. Teaching him a lesson wasn't the idea I was trying to convey. sorry. No question they were criminal actions, and I agree. Junho did not deserve what he got.
Lee Kang - such a good bad guy. It's just interesting is all I'm saying.
Oh, I agree this is interesting, i just find it more interesting to see how people react to these mangas and how they justify if the punisher is redeemed for their actions regardless of severity. Punishment tends to be the same action but the receiver is either "bad" by action or concept and ""good" is just a true victim.
LOL I like this
Junho has just now discovered his prostate. He probably never would have if he hadn't encountered someone who could use brute strength to take him down.
I'm just saying... lol.
Youre disgusting
look, I'm not condoning any of it or saying it should happen in RL. I don't mean it to sound that way. The story is what I'm referring to, not the moral implications.
It's a story. There's no need to anthropomorphize it into a real life situation. Surely you must see that. Still, thanks for calling me sir. LOL
That's one fucked up taste sir anyway just go like what u like idc
Jesus Christ I am reading what I like! You're the one who should go find something you like instead of criticizing someone who likes this one.
this from someone named Anklebreaker
Daring lee kang, telling him "as if you can do anything" is like a form of consent. Junho dares Lee Kang many times. In a way, challenging someone, like "do it if you can," is a form of consent. I'm not saying that since Junho gave these taunts, Lee Kang had what he needed to justify his actions. What he did was wrong. I am saying that in the character's mind the challenging attitude might have pushed him over the edge till he felt provoked. Junho said no, stop, and anyone would agree that he protested more than he taunted Leek Kang. Nothing justifies the actions, but it all makes for a fun read.
The rape in this story is a clearcut. It's the first time I've seen such an unquestionable, no doubt, rape in a yaoi story. It's a pretty horrific scene that I found hard to read through the first time.
A discussion contrasting it against other, more questionable rape stories: is it rape or not, consensual or nonconsensual, would have been interesting. It seems it's impossible to even talk about it here. It's too bad that minds are so closed that all you need to see is the word rape to set you off. People only comment to spit out their distaste for a story they probably only half-read. There's a billion condemning remarks, and anyone who looks at the comments is likely to drop its rating and write it off.
I think the author emphasized things that shouldn't have been and glossed over the parts that would have made the rape scene easier to get through, such as that there was in fact both preparation and lubrication provided by the seme. Most people don't remember that. I'm only saying that, since it's a story that is bound to end happily, I think the author could have made that scene easier to get through. I doubt the effect was as rough as she intended.
Discussion is impossible. To try is to bring down an enormous amount of unwarranted heat on someone who only wants to discuss a story as in any other comment section.
For the rest of the story after the initial rape, there are lots of funny, cute situations, the details of which are obscured by the overhanging blackmail. Most people miss those details. imo the story is flawed in that it puts emphasis in all the wrong places. That, too, might have been an interesting discussion if any but a few of you had any objectivity to offer
what r u saying, stupid? LOL Did you like it or not? I think maybe you liked it more than you should have. lmao I loved it. I'm not gonna equivocate. lmao
Miki! omg where have you been? man, it's nice to have you back.