
Uhhh Novel Readers Please tell me what aspect of ORV is unlikable??? I reccomended ORV to a person who said they want something like SL and they kept saying ORV is bad. i'm loosing my braincell pls help. I can't think of any flaw in ORV (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

In all seriousness though, maybe the person who said that ORV was bad was just not used to slow-burn. It's understandable if some don't like the pacing of this story. Since that person read SL, he or she probably saw many people comparing the two so they might've thought that the two would be similar. But they're not.
SL does not really focus much on world-building, that I've noticed. Let's give an example. It already established the fact that hunters and dungeons are already normalized in around the first few chapters. ONE OF THE only main mysteries in SL that really keeps us reading is that why do dungeons even exist in their world. And some people prefer this kind of pacing. Also, many be simping over Sung Jinwoo I mean even I am pfft-
So yeah, not slow-burn.
I'm personally a huge fan of slow-burn and I find ORV as a really great example of it. It definitely takes advantage of the concept and genre. I don't want to talk about how they established the world-building and character developments in the novel because that's already going to reach spoiler territory. But there's a reason why it has 551 chapters. And There's a reason why many people keep praising it. Uwu fellow slow-burn appreciators.
Both are very different genres so likely there will be people with different opinions towards each series. I personally love both of them very much, because I read almost any genre. And yea that's pretty much it hehe

I've read both ORV and SL and tbh i prefer ORV over SL by quite a bit. hmm i guess my only complaint is how it ended. I mean i get why it ended that way but i'll prefer it to have a solid conclusive ending, with extra scenes that show's our dokja finally spending time with the people who he loves and loves him and generally just for everyone to finally enjoy the happiness they deserve. Plot wise everything is really good, keep me excited and interested in everything that's going on in the story. There's alot more tactical(?) aspects to it compared to SL definitely and maybe some people isn't fond of that. Also i assume people who reads SL are more into the kind of stories where MC is straight up OP/ gets OP suddenly and kind of do everything themselves, with side characters either admiring or worshipping them. While ORV is kind of similar it's also different where MC only appeared OP to other characters and are mainly using their smarts/wits to use powerful people around him or make himself more powerful using items (which some people might find it lame since it's not a power they uh trained or harness by themselves like some shonen protag?) Yeah so maybe that's why they don't like it. Which btw dokja tried but he just doesn't have the talent at all :'D. Anyway ORV is nice and all, but i like TCF better for the way it's written and character interaction/development is more fleshed out.

I also love the relationships in ORV and TCF, even though the MCs don't have their own romance partner, you can see and feel how much they love each other (platonically/family). Dokja and Cale's relationships with the kids as his children, ChoiHan and Jeewon's loyalty and being the sword and powerhouse for MCs. Even though these MCs causes emotional stress to their friends, it is understandable because of the circumstances and responsibilities they have to carry. it is also funny how they have to be forced to have their rest time hahaha omg, when Dokja was put into sleep/hibernation mode by his friends just for him to take a rest lmao, not to mention the mantra "kim dokja... don't do anything unnecessary..."

Hehe I love how you Said Our Dokja xD he is us readers precious child xD
And yea I also feel unsatisfied with the open ending :')) we didn't even get to see YJH take revenge for making him eat mud haha. But story wise it makes sense so we can't really complain :'))
I love both TCF and ORV but in my case I find ORV a bit better than TCF. Its just me but I find most of the convo the Characters in tcf have kinda bland :| . But when Cale is with Alberu and the children its hella intersting and cute xD also The owners of the ancient powers are bunch of odd balls so it's fun when they talk as well xD but sometimes information and conversation are bit repetitive T_T
Most importantlyyyyyy Cale is never getting his slacker life is he (/TДT)/

Yes!! Their protectiveness and love towards their own people is just really satisfying to read. Which is why we enjoy it so much since both ORV and TCF have a similar breed of mc hahaha. I also love the pot/plot twists that happens in the story which makes you think 'omg that's so clever' or 'damn that's really awesome', usually when dokja/cale uses their smarts to overcome an unfavorable situation or (in tcf's words) smacking the bad guys from behind.

Yeah i guess i just like it more cause i personally really like Cale's scammer attitude and generally how he strategizes fights. Can't deny that some of the info does get repetitive tho which also bothered me at one time (like how much he mentioned he's the trash of the family at the start lol) but i love the other aspects enough to close my eyes for it :'DD. Well... alberu did say that he'll guarantee his slacker life even when he becomes his prime minister so.. who knows? ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
Also i know people keep saying he's bringing trouble for himself but he can't have a slacker life if the world had gone to shit can't he? So i see it as a necessary sacrifice xD

First let me say that I rated SL 5/5 cause I'm biased but ORV 10/5 cause it made me trash but objectively ORV wins a landslide in character and storytelling. Ok, long ass message coming in. Ratings may change depending on ORV's ending.
I'm at chapter 300 of the ORV novel and if I were to presume that SL follows the novel I prefer ORV by far even at the early start of chapter 50. Biggest reason being SL is too op. This is still entertaining yes because the author ticked all the chuuni boxes great and the 'appearing at the last min to stomp everyone' formula works great as instant gratification. However...
I can't even remember SL MC's name yet I can remember every main and side character in ORV, which goes to show which book has better character development. Also, by the time every so-called op side character is shown, MC can overpower them no prob. The only time he truly struggled was at the first dungeon and when he got the job class one (which ended up a total ass save). That leaves zero room for growth for any side characters or exciting fights. It's like all that hype just got overshadowed by MC. I like his sister the best but I can't even remember her name lol. MC doesn't even have much internal struggle compared to any of the characters in ORV and other stories I can list. But why did I rate SL so high you ask? Simple, for pure action and OP instant gratification alone, it delivers this well.
Now, moving on to ORV, I already stupid over the entire cast, from the demon like judge of fire to shin sooyoung and even kim namwoon. It made me care about them and actually delivered character arcs (except for poor gong pildu who's always forgotten).
Next, the fun and treacherous star stream twitchlike system is still pretty unique. And it's exciting when you don't know what will happen next....BUT, and here come the negatives (don't gasp, no story is perfect). The formulaic routine sacrifices Dokja goes through and scenario arcs become predictable over time. Also...I hate to say this but I feel that with how things are progressing in the novel at chapter 300, I'm starting to grow desensitized to any deaths cause I already know how they will be resolved based on the novel's pattern. Let's just say this unfeeling reader cried at the first sad scene, then subsequently, I sniffled, then stopped altogether.
Other negatives are the deus ex machinas and timeloop plot holes and giant convoluted plot. However, if I close an eye I can forgive those and focus on what ORV is really about: a story about the relationship between the reader, writer and characters. It is a story written for anyone who loves stories and the author does well to bring up fruit for thought here.
So, I still love ORV. I am still in hell. I also really enjoy SL. But I did notice flaws in both when reading.

I would also like to add on that I was reading Second Ranker the other day, and I think I'm preferring that to SL. Reason being while both story MCs had similar powers and an op soloing concept, the top people in SR can still trounce the MC even as MC is growing, whereas in SL, most of the top people are almost to will be useless the moment they meet MC. Also, SR made me care a bit more about it's MC than SL, though I only have both web comics to compare so my conclusion may be too early.

Yes! Agree with you completely and i also prefer second ranker to SL. I think using it to compare to SL is better than using ORV. Cause ORV and SL is sort of similar but its still a different breed of story altogether. I stopped reading when the last translation group dropped it (when they're asked by the author to) but im thinking of continuing it soon. Basically in SL it's just MC>>>>>>>all the other characters combined so you barely see any growth in them and they're sort of just created to make the MC looks better. Whereas in SR you'll learn to care more about MC's relationships with other characters and they have their own thoughts/ growth and contribution through the story.

I am now reading SL, still more than half of the whole novel (I have to read the webtoon first for visuals and then continue the novel). One thing I noticed, the side characters of ORV and TCF are far more intelligent and enjoyable to read. Don't get me wrong, SL got good plot and story but as far as I have read, I only enjoyed the parts where JinWoo is in there. As to ORV and TCF, even though Cale and Dokja are not present or in the scene, I still find it fun to see how they can outsmart their enemies without OP MCs.
The interactions with other characters are good as well, every time we see Alberu (bromance) and Clopeh (fanatic) we squeal inside. Whenever we see Uriel and Persephone we die inside on how much the would tease our MC.
As for on SL, when it's just the side characters in the scene, I have to read very fast because I'm not much interested in them, even though Cha-Hae-In is dying I'm like (meh, she's okay to die, all she do is blush and be flustered on JinWoo's awesomeness). As for ORV and TCF, everytime they are in a fight or battles (even just in the 1st half of the story), I am nervous because I really care about the other characters.
But I still have to read the other half of SL, who knows, maybe I start to care about the others as well (oh wait, I like JinWoo's sis, she's not like those creepy little sis in light novels/anime who secretly lust over their cool big bro lol) ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

Ugh I have to stop reading SL, I find it unbearable, I'm on the part that MC started dating the girl he barely knew, that he only took out on a date to treat her for food because he accidentally saw her naked when he was using his spying ability (she doesnt even know it, it's just his conscience that made him want to do it, and he only left the house because he is bored and that his sis urged him to hangout with his friends. He just chose to take the girl out on a date because he just remembered and got nothing to do ffs). It's like omg all this girl do is blush and be flustered around him, she talk so little and all she think is that he smells nice wahahahaha, such a waste of a good story and character. Author should have put more history on the girl not just that she's a high ranking hunter and a good fighter and got strong sense of smell wtf. I tried reading all throughout their date, I feel like puking and I have to skip a lot sentences lol, but after that chapter, I just don't like it anymore.
I'm supposed to read the next chapters that are very important, all the build up of MCs powers, his abilities, his summons' abilities, about the big shot enemies finally arriving from the massive Gate. And then, they put this puke-inducing-date before the event, SHYT hahaha (Now I'm not even gonna try and wait for the webtoon, my nausea from the novel is enough, imma reread TCF now, just to wash off the disgust)

Omg. My biggest nope has come true then. I knew he was gonna end up with her but kinda hoped any romance would be just mentioned at the very end or at least make sense. Frankly speaking, at the start I was already a bit turned off the moment he became waaaay more attractive when he levelled up - growing muscle is fine and having flawless skin still made sense but getting taller and having free plastic surgery from the dungeon just made me roll my eyes out of my head.
Lmao. Let me guess what will happen next. The Hae In girl will get a damsel in distress scene and he will save her again. Haaah. If the writer had to add romance in it, they'd be better off having that healer girl and giving her a story where she overcame her own trauma. Op edgelord MC's (wow I still don't recall his name and I'm not even being sarcastic) sis remains best female character because she basically still pokes fun at her bro and doesn't fawn over him like every single other girl.

Yup, I really like his baby-face. tbh, I thought the healer girl will be the FL because even tho MC is weak, she always put herself in danger in healing him even though she's really scared during raids (The early chapters gave her a good foundation as a character). Then Author put her in a province and replaced her with Rank S Hunter with no personality (Yea she's strong during fights but all she do is smell MC lmao, she thinks with her nose, this is how she thinks "JinWoo is different and special... he smells nice compared to other Hunters that stink"). I can accept that he became quite tall and muscular since he's doing daily quests (plus the buffs from System), but why make him k-pop handsome? He lost his adorable spark when he became all edgy and serious.

Lmaooo! Not to be mean but S rank girl could be replaced with a golden retriever and there wouldn't be any difference, especially with how dense Jinwoo is.
And now that you mention it, pre-YG entertainment contract Jinwoo also had more emotion and I thought we'd have internal struggles over his inability to trust people which led to him soloing and he will probably learn to rely on people again, but nah, he's too op and cool for that. His sick mum also feels like such a cliched trope. At least SR used that trope better.
Also, damn I keep hearing good things about TCF, now I can't wait to finish ORV (why is it so long ╥﹏╥ ) so I can jump into a new hell.

Yeah ORV is long, but TCF is longer, both are good! I suggest finishing ORV first, the emotional stress and rollercoaster you will encounter will be washed away by TCF. It's a good thing that TCF novel is still ongoing because you will feel sad and empty after finishing a really good novel. ORV ending is good but you will have this lingering feelings of "what's next, more please!", that's why, after ORV, rest a bit, and then start TCF
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Happy birthday Cale and Choi Han
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