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She’s gonna stay with this one and she’s gonna have three husbands and her older brothers except the young one knows about the last timeline and dragon ml knows about mc’s all timeline

So, not really worth reading. What exactly was their excuse for neglecting her? After all that she’s just gonna play family with her father and grandmother? What a joke

Ikr? Like Yk the dad literally completely ignored maybe totally forgot. It’s funny how they gonna act like the past didn’t exist. The story is so good but the author had to ruin it TT I think if I remember correctly then she chose it herself to stay in this world like whyyy

Yeah, can’t read that. That kind of thing should’ve been either a revenge story or cutting off story.

Let's hope not

I’m sure they will fight, I think it’s unavoidable, but I hope he joins the crew since they built a bit of a bond, opened up to each other and it seems like he has some abusive past from Raphael

It really didn't? Shin's personality makes him embarrassed to express his real feelings and reserved but he's shown time and time again that he doesn't actually mind the way Wolfgang pushes him and that he's more than capable of setting hard boundaries if he needs to

Tell me, do they have a safe word? Or did they discuss beforehand that this kind of thing is okay in the future and such? If yes, tell me the chapter please, then I will agree with you and take my words back, if no then it’s SA no matter how u wanna put it. This kind of excuse is used for a lot of Yaoi, it seems connected to gender roles as well and the trope in which women also have to be shy and unwilling on the outside but they actually “really want it”. Sorry, not how that works. Unless explicitly specified in the relationship beforehand, words like “stop”, “I can’t” and “no more” etc. mean NO. Sorry that’s not consent. “He’s just embarrassed”, “He can’t express himself”, “He actually likes it”, that kind of excuses have been used times and times again, both in fiction and real life. But it doesn’t surprise me that people on this website and Yaoi enjoyers defend this kind of thing. 90% of Yaoi’s have some kind of SA and people love it, so I’m used to r*pe apologists.

Then read the censored one

I used to, but if it’s the same story and same characters that ruins them for me anyways. Since that’s their character design, so it isn’t really a matter of censored or not censored story. I knew this comment would get dislikes and disagreements cause I’m painfully aware of how Yaoi fans are, I just left it to express my opinion and for people who may want to read the story but wanna know if it’s safe. Since I know quite a few who also been burned and check comments beforehand to make sure it doesn’t have this kind of things

burnt*

Don’t expect anything else from this audience. I’ve been reading yaoi/BL for nearly two decades and while there are some gems I’ve learned that this genre despite it being written by women for women is just about finding that piece of gold among shit. And you’ll shift through a lot of shit. I will never understand but hey I’m a gay man so what do I know, stories written “about me” don’t deserve actual consideration, not like that’s new.

I’m a queer woman, and I’m actually aroace, but I enjoy sexual conent and with men it’s easier cause of lack of misogyny, sexualization of women and sexist gender roles that are usually in other stuff, overall toxic portrayal of women in sexual media. But I’ve also been reading BL for years and noticed that misogyny and gender roles do exist in here, but they are enforced onto gay men. This is an equivalent of lesbian porn for straight men, just for straight women.
And I 100% agree with you on that, it’s about finding a diamond among garbage, very rare and hard to find. Rn, I ask in comments before I even start reading anything because both me and my friends have been burnt too many times. This one though, was one of my first ones, I had such fond memories of it so it was very disappointing.
I’m also very sorry you have to put up with that as a gay man. I really can’t stand women who fetishize gay guys, but in recent years it’s like a trend. I can’t stand it.

Do you maybe have any recommendations with nice art style that are actually healthy stories? Since we seem to have similar mindset, I would trust your choices. Doesnt have to be sexual. Same if you maybe know any GL stories worth reading

Also, just saw your question on your profile why do people enjoy that. The answers are… appalling to say the least. Some people really shouldn’t have access to the internet

yeah because having multiple rounds of sex with your boyfriend is SA lol. yall will look over actual SA and call freaky multiple orgasm scene SA

Yeah, cause “stop”, “no more”, “I can’t” is consent lol Also, if someone would look over actual SA is people who defend scenes like that. Don’t project

I’m all for freaky stuff as long as it’s consensual, that usually means safe word. If you gonna have more than vanilla sex then it has to be properly communicated, otherwise it’s just abuse no matter how u wanna sell it. And it’s really not that hard to mention once in the story that safe word exists, magically even the most insane shit becomes consensual then. It’s not hard dude

So bad (and sad) that people can't differentiate erotica with reality. Even adult ones. Oh yes there are a lot of men with 30cm dicks out there. Also it is so common for most men to ejaculate more than once (max twice). Please before preaching go out to the real world.

So bad (and sad) that people can't differentiate erotica with reality. Even adult ones. Oh yes there are a lot of men with 30cm ds out there. Also it is so common for most men to ejaculate more than once (max twice). Please before preaching go out to the real world.

BL Favorites


https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/yuki_to_matsu/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cosmic_boy/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/mother_s_spirit/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_sound_of_your_voice/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/path_to_you/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/shimanami_tasogare/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sen/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kimi_no_yoru_ni_fureru/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/i_have_a_boyfriend/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/never_understand/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/someone_else_s_bl_manhwa/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_baker_on_the_first_floor/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/momentum_park_ji_yeon/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/wolf_in_the_house/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kimi_wa_natsu_no_naka/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/tasogare_outfocus/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/escape_into_oblivion/ (deals with realistic SA/ violence)

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/swallow_gawee/ (Deals with realistic SA/violence)

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/doukyuusei_gold_ring_silver_ring/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kimi_to_natsu_no_naka/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boku_no_mama_chan_43_kaihatsu_nikki/ ( technically based off Sherlock Holmes actors)

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/10_years_where_i_loved_you_the_most/ (SA occurs handled realistically/ tragedy)

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/swing_baby/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/snow_fairy/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/pink_heart_jam/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/barefoot_angel/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/secondo_piatto/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_art_of_taming_a_tiger/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_man_in_the_mirror/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/highest_order/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ore_ga_mitsuketa_konbini_no_koi/

get your head out of your ass for a minute and know that having a safe word isnt universal. and if you had read the story fr, you'd know shin isn't a character who'd tolerate anything he doesnt like. if it was non-con, he'd say it. sometimes, negative notions comes out as a reflex of overstimulation and not because they arent enjoying it or feeling forced. and most importantly, dont like, dont read, dont comment shit that is irrelevant

What are you even on about? Yeah, I know this is fiction, but my moral compass for fiction is pretty much the same as in reality. If u enjoy non-con, go for it lol I have different standards

OMG thank u so much!

Lmao I knew you would get aggressive fast, didn’t expect anything more from someone who reads shit like Jinx. I also know what Shin is like, but authors intention don’t matter that much to me. It also matters to me how things come out, and are portrayed, because in case you didn’t know media influences how people view things and act in real life too. Also, safe word isn’t always necessary, but these things should be talked about beforehand. I just mentioned explicit communication about whether they are okay with this or not. And I also said, I will take my words back if u can direct me to the chapter where they actually talk about this. Because if you know anything about SA you should also know how harmful it is to say stuff like “He secretly wanted it”, “If he didn’t like it he would’ve said so”, “He was just embarrassed, but he actually enjoyed it”, that’s like 101 excuses that people use in these situations. It’s not about Shin himself, for me it’s about how the whole scene is portrayed.
Also, I already mentioned I’m gonna stop reading it lol But I still have a right to comment my final thoughts on it. And it’s not irrelevant lol Many people check comments before reading smth and believe it or not many people don’t like this kind of sudden nonsense. People are allowed to express their opinions and if u have an issue with that then don’t use internet

this is where i draw the line because who tf compares fiction with reality????? in reality it's not even possible to ejaculate that much so your moral compass is faulty from the start. learn to differentiate fiction and reality first

Also, as someone who seems to be reading a lot of Yaoi, you should’ve already noticed the pattern that SA is rather fetishized in these stories. Even if it’s so very clearly r*pe, way clearer than situation here, it’s still shown as something sexy or romantic. Something that the character apparently enjoys. So excuse me if what author tries to convey or what characters are supposedly feeling doesn’t matter that much to me. It doesn’t surprise people disagree with my comment, because that’s what I expected from this genre where the most popular stories are the most abusive ones.

"who reads shit like jinx" XDDDDDDDDDD babe, i read killing stalking, blind play, obey me and every other disturbing shit is out there and i have the perfect sense to say that these manhwas are actual SA and rape. you dont know me and you havent seen my hatred for jinx but that doesnt mean i cant read it. i can and i can voice out where it's wrong.

what i also can, is call you out on your bizzare take on something like king's maker which is by far the biggest greenest flag story ever so no im not taking your shit. yes your take is irrelevant and no matter how much you try to play it off by saying 'it infulences reality', it's not the authors fault, it's a you problem. as you said, people are allowed to express their opinion, yes. and people are also allowed to tell you if your opinion is wrong

You do know some of the famous fiction we have, has literally influenced peoples’ very real taste in romance? I swear people like you are purposely obtuse. The very fact we utilize the idea of a “Prince Charming” is directly from oh yeah a fictional story about a famous fictional woman who finds love by way of glass slipper. Our fiction is made up of our desired fantasy which is a response to our REALITY, and that bleeds black into our Reality to reinforce our desired fantasies. I would hope one is not dumb enough to think fiction and reality are the same, but would have at the very least the comprehension to understand how each influences the other which is OP’s point.

The author initially had a very clear stance against SA violence/ coercive sex which you are right to state. After all the premise of this story centers around the overthrowing and eventual justice brought onto an actual pedophile. However this version of their story very much has veered away from that and now portrays your standard problematic elements of sexual depiction rampant in the BL genre. It may not even be the author’s intention to muddy the waters of their own narrative in order to provide fan service for long time readers, but when this reliance on BL tropes that have become desensitized versions to their reality is the dominate depiction of “Romantic love” it’s very much fair for readers who had not expected or desired for it voice issue with it for others not privy to this change in narrative approach. I certainly was upset with Ulysses and voiced that issue very early on in my own personal post. Some agreed others did not. Now OP has voiced their concerns about Shin/Wolfgang the primary characters of this story. Some may agree others might not as well, but at the very least there is now an opinion out there for future readers to make their own judgements and come to their own conclusions of what they deem is worth their time consuming.

let me quickly give you a solution: stop reading fiction

you will be misguiding new consumers by saying stuff like this. by the end of this chapter, it's literally shows it was enhanced libido because of the eel and if you had the minimum sense of not mixing reality with fiction, you'd take it as how it is- fiction. fictions are not meant to obey every rules in the real world and it's on them who forget they are reading fiction if they project it in their real life. the first and foremost rule of reading erotica is knowing it's fiction and taking it as fiction.

Girl what are u on about? What do looks and ejaculating a lot have to do with morality? Please, before u tell me to learn smth, learn what moral compass even is. People enjoy fiction for different reasons and believe it or not many don’t like characters if they do things that they disagree with in real life. If that wasn’t the case then there would be no dislike for any character at all. Yaoi seems in particular to dislike cheating, why do u think is that? Because they don’t like or agree with cheating as people. Please use some common sense

Opinions can’t be wrong, because opinions are not facts. Since you don’t know what moral compass is, it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t know what an opinion is either. Your opinion is as irrelevant to me as mine is to you. Also, a piece of advice, if you want to be taken seriously then try to hold a mature discussion instead of throwing a tantrum like a child. Aggression won’t help your argument. And what shit of mine are u exactly taking? I don’t remember ever insulting you, I stated my opinion on events in the story that u don’t agree on. Maybe take a break to calm down.

And the fact you read and enjoy those kind of stories just makes your take on SA irrelevant to me. I do understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t agree. That’s it. There’s no need for u to throw a tantrum about it

What a great response. But idk if it will get to them. It’s hard to hold a mature discussion with someone who is just throwing a tantrum and ignoring your concerns.

I couldn’t have said it better. Your responses are on point

idc if opinions are not 'facts' , idc if you take me seriously or not because idc about you dude.
you are wrong ^_^ and i dont need to learn what moral compass is from someone who calls THIS scene SA. thank you. take a nap. im done with your respectful opinion. have a nice day with your moral compass

Lol girly replied and then blocked me, so sorry that I’m tagging you but this is for her:

How is it misguiding? Because you don’t agree with it? What an outstanding point of view. It’s criticism and a different perspective, that’s it. You’re so trapped in your bubble of what you consider to be acceptable and of how you enjoy fiction that you cannot tolerate any other perspective. It’s none of your business for what reasons people read fiction and what they do and don’t enjoy in it. If a story portrays something that may be harmful (doesn’t matter if u yourself agree if it is or isn’t harmful) then people have the right to criticize it. I don’t understand why you’re so enraged on someone raising an issue. If you disagree then disagree that’s it, but don’t try to sell your opinion as a fact and tell me what I should and shouldn’t do or like. If you want a well done freaky stuff as example, that’s BJ Alex’s second couple. If u think this scene was written well then that’s good for u, I disagree. I think author portrayed smth that at first they seemed to want to avoid portraying. That’s my opinion, you’re not gonna change it. No need to freak out and act like a child, it’s not hard to be respectful about a disagreement.

Usually people who have no good arguments, think they are always right and can’t tolerate other opinions act like that. So it isn’t very surprising, especially from a kid like that.

Thank you for pointing this out !
I went to the comments with a low hope of someone thinking the same, i got relieved.
I read all the replies you got and it's so sad and scarry how SA is just so normalised and seen as romantic. These comments are just what we hear everyday "they were just embarrassed/ they said no but they meant yes".
Your opinion is not wrong, thank you for speaking out

Thank you so much for this comment! Tbh, I didn’t expect much from Yaoi fans, and expected to get a lot of dislikes, but you’re the kind of person I made this comment for. I’m glad I’m not the only one

My god you are so high in your false morality and superiority. You don't have a clue about sexuality, about erotic fantasies, how these have nothing to do with real life but exists and boost erotism. "Omg I am aroace". You take your "morals" from TikTok trends and you try to put down the healthy normal people that realize that they read pure erotica, not literature. You remind me of that girl on reddit that was in a 3 yo relationship, she went with her bf at a party, had a few drinks, they went home, they were both horny, she initiated sex, they have a steamy night and next morning she told him that he is a rapist and a predator because having sex with someone under the influence of alcohol is rape. Of course he broke up with her, but in all honesty he should indulge her and report her for rape since she initiated. You moral warriors you.....You are in the same category with antivaccin, flat earthers... "We are so smart and superior to you peasants.....we are few but we are special!"

Not even gonna read all that cause first few lines are already just embarrassing. Not surprising that Yaoi fan defends rape and tries to put actual queer people down. You get your whole personality from the internet and try to project that, it really shows. I’m not gonna argue with a child who doesn’t even know how to form proper arguments. Get therapy, that’s my best advice to you <3

I think except for the last update is not the typical yaoi, It dosen't go around sex and SA(for what i remember, is very long). I get your point but saying it turned out the same as all the other yaoi is a bit too much.
I agree this genere normalize sa and violence, but it also make the "normal" seems like SA, i don't get it, and many times i wondered if is something they actually do over there in real life.

I get what you mean. I stopped reading the series a while ago, and just checked on random updates and this was one of them. I was super fond of it, it was one of my first ones and since it touched upon such serious topics and seemed to care about consent a lot I was throughly disappointed. I agree that I only have in mind the last update, but that’s enough for a story to be ruined for me. Otherwise, I also don’t think it’s a typical Yaoi story, but I just can’t stand when good stories suddenly put smth like this in. I appreciate you being respectful :)

When it comes to doing stuff in real life, I think that’s the reason why it irks me so much. I know a lot of SA victims, among them a gay man who was in similar situation as some of these stories portray and people fetishize. It’s just so normalized in real life too, seeing it being fetishized/romanticized in media is just something I can’t stand. I read fiction to escape reality, so seeing the same issues not only portrayed but also shown as smth normal or good is just quite upsetting. That’s why I care about very clear consent

Thank you to everyone for their lovely comments <3 The reaction is exactly as I expected, nothing out of ordinary for this genre. I see that I’ve become somewhat a celebrity of this update with so many people talking about me. I appreciate a good devate, as well as your time and all the attention. However, since I have more important things to do I will be ending it here. It’s not that deep, it’s just an opinion, you’re free to disagree <3 I won’t agree with you anyways, so I will stop entertaining myself here. Have a great day/night everyone :)

Tf did u read... surely not king's maker

Girl get help. Shin is an adult…not the little child this manga started with

literally this meme

https://imgur.com/a/cJI7j30

At this point, they have been together for literally over a decade or so and the author only ever explicitly shows very few sex scenes, but Shin is very obviously in love with him and always reprimands his affection even outside of the bedroom, but it's clear to everyone that he actually enjoys it but his personality makes it so that he just always seems upset and embarrassed. The same goes to show for his sex life. If you're gonna go on about boundaries and morality, you should have been turned off by it even outside of their sex life because Wolfgang seemingly breaches shin's personal boundaries everywhere and in reality, that wouldn't be okay either.

In josei too, it's mostly because consent isn't taken seriously everywhere in the world. Japan and Korea are bad at it unfortunately

Yeah, I know. It’s just disappointing that so many women represent/support it in fiction. When we are the most at the receiving end of SA and such.

Bestie, consent isn't taken seriously anywhere in the world. Let's not name Japan and Korea as prime examples as if rape wasn't prevalent in every piece of media all over the world.

Oh yeah it def is, but since Japan and Korea among modern countries are particularly patriarchal sexual abuse seems to be very prevalent there and sentences even when admitted guilty are laughable to say the least. I mean all u gotta look at are cases like The Burning Sun, Nth Group Chat, Telegram Groupchat, r*pe within K-pop industry cases etc. Like it’s a joke. Dunno bout other well-developed countries but compared to Europe it seems worse

It also seems far more normalized there. I mean, they are quite openly misogynistic countries, Korea even has anti-feminist protests. Of course misogyny and sex abuse is still an issue everywhere, and probably won’t go away any time soon, but yeah to me seems worse compared to Europe etc.

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She is not real, the soul behind her is the real one.
She was killed and some fker hijacked her body. Her mother run away after knowing she is pregnant and bad ones are going to come to use them, but she and her daughter got caught.

Yeah, read mother is in some weird cult with the emperor too

That’s so sad omg

Correct me if I'm not wrong, the novel said that everyone around the 'author' are brainwashed by her specially Cliff since he was the closest to the 'author'. But yeah, I can say that she's really forgiving to the 'author' who did all those shts.

For real, this is the only thing that I hate abt her character, it's her being too self-righteous that it's actually so draining to read

But Cliff didn’t change even after brainwashing was broken, so…

Thank u! Honestly, no one ever mentioned that so I thought I was the only one. Her “kindness” is to the point of rather than her being a victim, her helping the perpetrators. It’s absurd. It seems like author tried to portray her as some kind of saint, but she’s just unbearable in my opinion. Also, I don’t get why her forgiving those parents must also mean ML forgiving their neglect. Yeah, I just don’t like how the story ended. Edith is not as good of a person as author tries to potray her to be. So I really hope it changes in the manhwa

Yesss the ending in the novel is just not it for me. I really hoped that those who caused her pain would face much harsher consequences. Instead, they seemed to get off too easily and were forgiven without much struggle. Take Cliff and the duke, for example, and even Lize, like wtffff

100% agreed. It’s not for me at all either. She tried to save her any chance she got, Lize would go unpunished if she could’ve helped it. I don’t understand why ML had to forgive his family just like that either, them playing the role of good grandparents was very ironic and bitter to me. I didn’t like the ending at all. Edith was just not it. I really hope manhwa changes that

were there tests she need to pass?!? been so long since i started this, that i've forgotten.
can u remind me as to what the test were - plz ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

I believe ml not being the next duke is kinda of a punishment for the duke for neglecting his second son for his heir that ended up being a fool for a woman that been playing them for years

Don’t remember the first two, but the last one was for her to accept death. So this not being in here is pretty major

Didn’t work out in the end cause FL and ML pretty much forgave them instead of cutting them off. Not to mention Cliff got a happy ending and got to lead the territory in the end when he was in no way qualified. Sorry not sorry, but novel Edith was pretty much an enabler. Cliff literally killed innocent people, and because of her and her “forgiveness” (that she had no right to give in stead of other victims) he didn’t pay any consequences for it.

thanks... but then she completed the finale test no? - she was ready to die - she didn't know anyone would save her. so if she passed all the test (i think lol)

Right??? This is such a let downnnn

Not really, it was about her specifically submitting herself to ML killing her. It had to be at the moment when she thought he was just about to kill her. Also, royal family wasn’t involved so I’m really curious how this will play out. Novel was very different

Don’t know yet. I didn’t really like the ending in the novel, Edith’s self-righteous character and Cliff having a happy ending. Also, the ML forgiving the neglect just like that. If manhwa changes that, then I would prefer it much over the novel. Novel made Edith a wanna-be-saint enabler, ruined the story for me. There’s limit to kindness, it was just absurd and frustrating