Claude did some black magic voodoo shit not just one, but multiple, to
1) forget Diana & all things related to her, &
2) kill his emotions.
So on the 1st timeline which we know is the original The Lovely Princess, he legit doesn't recognize Athy. He's like an empty vessel, wondering who's the little sht running around claiming to be his daughter.
However in this timeline, he met Athy when she was just 4 y/o (or was it 5? Lol), and the spells aren't complete yet that's why things didn't escalate like the 1st timeline.
The reason why he accepted Jeannette in the 1st timeline is because Jeannette's longing for a family manifested to a black magic voodoo sht where she can charm ppl with her aura. That's why the ppl loved her despite Athy being the more capable princess.
Athy's "nightmares" where she saw Claude collapsing while Jeannette was worrying on the side is all the consequences of the magic he did on himself.
Conclusion: Claude was a brokenhearted wuss, was an irresponsible father, but we're forgiving him because he legit seems want to be a better father. Anastacius on the other hand can go choke.
Btw, Lucas did a similar spell on him, the killing emotions whatnot stuff.
And now his starting to feel something about his real daughter.. i think he'll have the same side effects because of that
I don't like Jeannette either, & it's because of how she's written. Like, the author set her up for this one, it's understandable.
But let's not put the blame where it doesn't belong. She's a tool, but not the perpetrator. No character here is black & white, even Claude wasn't a good father if you just think about it, but we let it slide because he's one of the protags. We also know there is room for character development, so let's allow Jeannette the same courtesy.
You are allowed to dislike characters, but let's not misdirect that anger.
You can dislike Jeannette and still want her to be happy, the feelings can coexist. But when you purposely ignore that all sht is happening because of Anastacius/Aeternitas, that's just hypocrisy.
i absolutely agree!! im not against people disliking jennette but she's the most hated character for WHAT? she's a victim too,, and she's only fifteen in the current timeline. athy is a fully matured adult on the inside, so that means jennette is mentally the youngest-
I literally get annoyed at "innocent" kids when they throw tantrums, what makes ppl think I can't get annoyed at Jeannette, even if she's sad & innocent & all those traits others kept repeating? Lol and it doesn't mean I want her to jump off a cliff or something, she just annoys me because she kept getting in the way. Ofc she deserves a happy ending too, but preferrably miles away from the main characters lol
And no, I don't like Anastacius either, I don't even find him hot. He's like a turd compared to Claude.
I've read the novel ages ago as well, and even there, Jeannette is just not likeable.
SPOILER:
She actually did something bad there, or was about to (I don't exactly remember). Poor Ezekiel has to make do with her lol
Plutus (the artist) likes Jeannette that's why there's too much of her in the manhwa.
Wth. So thats why she got so many panels. Shouldve made her story a separate one then! She gets on my nerves too. Like sis. I DESPISE U. gtho.
Like yessssss, just seeing her shit stuck on the bottom of a shoe makes me annoyed. Like we do not need to see that much about her。 （−＿−；）CUS WE DONT CARE. She need to do her bad evil plot and go, we don’t need u sis and take ur father with u. And y is the turds father acting so superior and with his memories making it seem like it was Claudes fault he had a shitty life, like he was a pice of shit to Claude too. I mean Claude did do him wrong by some but the turds father did worse like wtf.
I agree with you. Jeanette needs to be gone— her obsession with having a family (which she isn't part of lmao) would ruin everything.
She already had a happy one before the Mc was reincarnated as the girl who was suffering so she needs to chill and let them be in peace
IKR! She got obsessed by the idea of having a family (like didn't she feel that with Ijekiel???) and isn't contented of what she has/had. It just makes me more irritated.
look you are totally free to hate her but to make unreasonable explanations just to support that hatred is downright impractical. she's commonly hated because her role in the story is to generally go against athy and claude's relationship - which is totally understandable. but at least empathize with her situation. since she was young she was told that the alpheus household was not her real family. not only that, she wasn't really treated as family but as more of a guest. sure ijekiel took care of her but the thought that she had a blood-connection somewhere (a sense of fulfillment for her internal loneliness) is what made her crave more.
just saying. tell her to die or whatever. but to blame her when none of it is her fault in the first place is double standards. what's the difference with claude's perspective? he's done shit to athy but he's still loved by readers. why? empathy.
Well, she had the tragic backstory for a protagonist but the plot isn't supporting her anymore. She's a tool, manipulated or used. But that doesn't change the fact that she is insensitive. Not only to Claude and Athy but to those who are around her. She only thinks for herself. She lives for herself. Same as her mother. The difference? She does it "innocently". Do you empathize her mother? What's the difference with honor and love? If u hurt others in the process?
Just sayin. Yes lots hate her guts but should empathize with her but sometimes a person can be hatable no matter how pitiful.
And yeah I can say. Her role is effective.
Kudos to the author.
empathy by definition doesn't consider external factors such as honor and love. it's UNDERSTANDING. a villain can be hated because they're meant to be hated. and that itself varies depending on a villain's conviction. jeanette just wants people she can call family which, in her mindset, are those she's blood-related to. people don't seem to know how to observe a story from a villain's perspective. if jeanette were the protagonist in the present timeline people would be rooting for her.
don't get me wrong, I don't like jeanette but I get where she's going at. you can hate someone and still empathize with them. forgive but never forget. if people fail to even do that for a blatantly 3-dimensional character like jeanette then how are you even having the complete experience of the story?
I still think she's too greedy— she straight up wants everything. It's very obvious that she wants more than she has (based on her conversations with her father, and just how she wants people's attention to be hers only [based on what she felt when she saw Athanasia and Ijekiel being close & when she envied the closeness of Claude and his daughter when in fact, he's close to Claude atm]) + if people hate her, that just means that she's indeed an effective antagonist in the story.
she's*
I don't necessarily hate her I just think she's being selfish honestly I just hope she's smart enough to realize the problem she's causing because she told a person she barely knows information that should be confidential. Saying the king is sick without considering attempts of assassination was dumb but she's also a naive character so I won't be pissed off. She wanted family when she already had it while Ana basically tried to stay on good terms with her dad to stay alive before they built a good stable father-daughter relationship. I feel like the reason Ana was shocked when Jeanette had asked if she would accept her as a sister was the fear of the original story coming back into place where he would love Jeanette instead while she would be ignored til the day she finally reaches her execution at 18.
Meant Athy not Ana my bad ;-;
No hotness will deter my hatred for you mf, you were already dead in the novel, why are you here again? If you're not getting together with Mr. White, you can disintegrate in particles right now
It doesn't sit right with me that Jihwa is about to get stuffed with an assassin dick while Nakyum's suffering is still ongoing. Why is Jihwa's future looking good already while poor Nakyumie is imprisoned in a horse cage which was Jihwa's fault to begin with
You see, you can like characters - even what others would call 'bad characters' - as long as you don't condone the shit they do. Understanding & empathizing with a character is different from justifying their actions after all.
Suu definitely isn't the usual brimming with goodness character we get from shounen mangas, but that's what makes him special for me. He struggles, not only with his decisions, but with his core belief as well. He strays, does stupid shit, sometimes reflects, & continues to fight. He's super relatable & very 'human.'
The author has done a good job of portraying a world where no one is black & white.
(Also remember this is fiction, some of you loveeeee to preach about morals, as if sane ppl would root for a senseless murderer in real life. Fiction judgement & reality judgement can differ)
The whole Forton/wolf clan does not exist to me anymore, you are all cancelled! Bullshit leader, bullshit rules, bullshit beliefs!
The only good thing they have produced is Nine. I hope the father chokes & die. Migen is no exception, stupid ass evil btch
I remember reading this stuff when I was a teenager & I loved it but now... (⊙…⊙ )
This really started off realllllyyyy toxic & yes, it gets better later but that's because the start is so bad that anything remotely okay is considered improvement. Tho it is pretty nostalgic & sure, they've come a long way, they're pretty cute & all that, some realistic relationship things here & there. Wished it just started as established relationship tbh
But I can't say I love this anymore lol cause if I just found this now, I'd drop it pretty early
I only came back to see the ending
ikr like i liked it when i was younger but ik that if i read it again ill be criticizing literally everything its not even worth it
I remembered that there was a piece of sht who asked Jihwa if he could "taste" Nakyum before killing him WTF more anxiety for me & I'm supposed to suck it for A WEEK
No Name is officially cancelled, handsome you may be but I wish you go to hell for what you did to Nakyum. I wish your pp be broken! Go bald! Same to you Jihwa you crazy fvck
She said ‘go bald’
The Duke & the gardener seem to be the type of man who will cherish their loved one, support them thru words & actions, always believe their partner above all else, and fight along side with them.
In short Prince the Choker is irrelevant & just part of the plot, we don't want him lmao
I'm still mad Princey has the time to gallivant in the library to hopefully catch a spy or something but not investigate Vivienne the fcking btch. Oh and the fact he really intend to kill mc on the spot. Yeah he can piss off
Love and support this entire notion. Being so godamn drop fucking handsome does not mean that’s your allowed to [attempt to] kill off our adorable, strong as a bull, wholesome, working hard, trauma induced main character!