why so many negative comments on nocton? he is not a bad person...he is hurt...his mom was after his head since childhood and he can't trust anyone. he can't say anything to the FL bc he is afraid that she won't believe him and he doesn't know how to communicate properly, he hypnotized that girl when he was a kid with no proper education, he was an abandoned child. of course some of the things he has done was wrong i agree but he is not some cold hearted killer. he doesn't deserve this much hate.
Bro what nonsense are you spouting... Trauma and family issues doesn't give you a right to be forgiven for shitty and toxic behavior. He's been a real shitty person to Duroa and he fucking brainwashes people and takes away their free will???
He changes in this timeline because he can't brainwash doroa, so he has a real relationship human being with duroa and managed to fall in love and become slightly better than he originally is (he won't kill because duroa clearly told him to not kill anyone)
In the original novel, when his brainwash work on duroa, he killed a lot and even coldly told duroa to die for him
He's a villain, who changes to be better because of transmigrated FL like the other isekai manhwa
And somehow i can still understand all the hate, yes he changes, but he's still toxic, but i myself don't hate him, just slightly annoyed, but i still accept him as ML and wait for his more character development
Bro what nonsense are you spouting... Trauma and family issues doesn't give you a right to be forgiven for shitty and toxic behavior. He's been a real shitty person to Duroa and he fucking brainwashes people an... Bumble Bee
reread this manhwa and you'll know why he did what he did. he wasn't acting cold towards the FL...in my eyes he wanted her to stay out of his shitshow life even tho he loves her. there is a reason for every single thing he did i suppose because they showed us while he received the tea from her the cup was poisonous and he didn't want to drink it and he told his servant who poisoned the cup to drink it but couldn't tell the FL because he thought she won't believe her. there is a reason for his cold behavior over the past 10 years. he is trying to clear up the misunderstandings one by one now that he has power. he brainwashed the everyone in his home because everyone wanted to kill him...
It's just like villain's savior, the ML is originally evil and killed a lot in the novel, but FL stopped him before he kill anyone (so he never kills in the new timeline with transmigrated FL), same as nocton, that ML from villain's savior also still has urge to kill someone but held himself back because of FL
Last time when aaron puked blood, it's mentioned in the novel version (the actual novel of this manhwa, not 'the novel that read by FL in her previous life') that nocton attack aaron with killing intent, but he managed to held himself to not kill aaron because doroa is standing close to aaron, it's mentioned in the novel that duroa can get affected by nocton's magic when she stood so close to the target (aaron), and nocton also remembers duroa doesn't want him to kill
And alice's dream about nocton hypnotize aaron to stab alice and stab himself is actually true... That will really happen if duroa, alice, and aaron comes to nocton's tea party... In that moment, duroa stood far away from aaron, so she won't get affected, and nocton can blame aaron despite duroa will still be suspicious of him
reread this manhwa and you'll know why he did what he did. he wasn't acting cold towards the FL...in my eyes he wanted her to stay out of his shitshow life even tho he loves her. there is a reason for every sin... ari
None of that excuses his shitty mad toxic behavior you're really deluded. And he doesn't really "love" her. That isn't actual love. Idk if you've ever been in a relationship or seen a really healthy relationship but what he feels for her isn't love, its infatuation.
He's originally a cold blooded killerHe changes in this timeline because he can't brainwash doroa, so he has a real relationship human being with duroa and managed to fall in love and become slightly better tha... lucia_luce
he became a cold blooded killer in the original story because nobody cared about him and everyone wanted him dead but he has the female lead by his side now and as he said he has one precious person so he has changed. he is no longer like that.
it's not that he can't brainwash her....he doesn't want to...you can see that he is avoiding calling her name for the past 10 years of knowing her. he doesn't want to brainwash her.
of course he is not completely fine...he was an abandoned child...HIS OWN MOM WANTED TO KILL HIM SINCE BIRTH...imagine the pain and suffering...how can he act like a normal person?
i like him regardless, i know that he will try to change...he is in the state of confusion now but he will change...i really hope the female lead stay by his side and don't abandon him in fear.
None of that excuses his shitty mad toxic behavior you're really deluded. And he doesn't really "love" her. That isn't actual love. Idk if you've ever been in a relationship or seen a really healthy relationshi... Bumble Bee
so you tell me if you were abused since you were a child and your own mom wanted to kill you since the first day and of course everyone wants you dead you entire life, you wouldn't turn out the way he is now? Family is the base of what makes you who you are and what you do. i can't change u r mind so...believe what you wanna believe i suppose #-.-)
he became a cold blooded killer in the original story because nobody cared about him and everyone wanted him dead but he has the female lead by his side now and as he said he has one precious person so he has c... ari
Please read chapter 16 again, he brainwash people by calling their title/last name
He keep saying "come again, valrose" in the same manner, same time, same pattern, to make sure his brainwash work on duroa
His reason to brainwash duroa is not bad tho, he just doesn't want her to leave him
That's why he doesn't want to call her 'duroa' because he doesn't want her to leave him
In this chapter, nocton called 'sheryl' despite he usually calls her 'lady bernaine' to stop his brainwash on sheryl, that's why nocton told duroa 'i gave it back to her' (maybe he giving back her own consciousness or something)
he became a cold blooded killer in the original story because nobody cared about him and everyone wanted him dead but he has the female lead by his side now and as he said he has one precious person so he has c... ari
Also chapter 11 page 2 or 3, nocton said "valrose is changing, is the hypnotize spell fading?"
So the thing is, nocton is under impression that duroa approached her because of hypnotize/brainwash, but he end up genuinely like duroa and want to wake her up by throwing her gift to the lake
After that, when duroa stopped coming to his house, he missed her and regretted that he wake her up from the hypnotize (when actually duroa doesn't get hypnotized at all, nocton is totally misunderstand)
So the time duroa came to his house again, nocton hypnotize her again by keep saying "come again valrose" and refuse to call her first name, because if he call her first name the hypnotize will break (read chapter 16 page 7-8)
And after duroa get engaged and refuse to come to nocton's engagement, nocton wonder of his hypnotize spell is fading (chapter 11)
So yes nocton try to brainwash duroa, but he can't, her brainwash doesn't work on duroa, he also can't read her mind, but he thinks duroa approached him because of hypnotize, he has no idea that duroa approached him on her own accord because duroa thought nocton is ML
Please read chapter 16 again, he brainwash people by calling their title/last nameHe keep saying "come again, valrose" in the same manner, same time, same pattern, to make sure his brainwash work on duroaHis re... lucia_luce
i reread this manhwa so many times and i'm not saying that i'm totally right on this one, you could be right but i talked a lot about this manhwa with novel readers and translators and there so many missing facts that we can't say anything for sure. i remember asking about this and one of the novel readers told me that he already said that "there is no spell on you...i didn't put any" somewhere so..i will ask about this whole thing again and if they know i'll make sure to let you know^^
i reread this manhwa so many times and i'm not saying that i'm totally right on this one, you could be right but i talked a lot about this manhwa with novel readers and translators and there so many missing fac... ari
I also read the novel myself, but i stop at the scene where nocton ask duroa to get back with him and said he will do anything as long as she can forgive/accept him back And i admit this manhwa is confusing, the novel is also confusing That "there's no spell on you" is news to me, and it's totally contradict chapter 11 and 16 But thank you very much for the info (▰˘◡˘▰) This manhwa is complicated ( ̄∇ ̄")
so you tell me if you were abused since you were a child and your own mom wanted to kill you since the first day and of course everyone wants you dead you entire life, you wouldn't turn out the way he is now? F... ari
Omfg yes that explains the way he is as a person but family trauma does not make it okay for you to be a shitty person ! You still need to be held accountable and no you don't get free passes. There's plenty of people with family issues who don't go around being manipulative and treating people they "love" like shit
I also read the novel myself, but i stop at the scene where nocton ask duroa to get back with him and said he will do anything as long as she can forgive/accept him backAnd i admit this manhwa is confusing, the... lucia_luce
i asked two of the translators and they have the same theory as me lmao.( ̄∇ ̄")(they replied so fast once i dmed them and that was surprising lol) they say, they think that he puts spells on people and takes them back with their given names so he avoids using her name. basically what i told you. and the one who told me he said"there is no spell on you" is not answering my dm right now lmao. if she does i'll tell you about it :D
yes it's confusing...but idk why i enjoy reading this manhwa so much and i normally don't like the villain vibe of the male leads but surprisingly i love Nocton, i myself am confused about the reason that i like this guy since the first chapter.
I also read the novel myself, but i stop at the scene where nocton ask duroa to get back with him and said he will do anything as long as she can forgive/accept him backAnd i admit this manhwa is confusing, the... lucia_luce
imma follow you because you have my baby yeni as your pfp and you seem like a kind person in general(▰˘◡˘▰)
it's such a waste...the story is going downhill, i truly wish for this story to take a turn for the better later...i'll keep reading tho, i won't give up for now :D
why so many negative comments on nocton? he is not a bad person...he is hurt...his mom was after his head since childhood and he can't trust anyone. he can't say anything to the FL bc he is afraid that she won't believe him and he doesn't know how to communicate properly, he hypnotized that girl when he was a kid with no proper education, he was an abandoned child. of course some of the things he has done was wrong i agree but he is not some cold hearted killer. he doesn't deserve this much hate.
Bro what nonsense are you spouting... Trauma and family issues doesn't give you a right to be forgiven for shitty and toxic behavior. He's been a real shitty person to Duroa and he fucking brainwashes people and takes away their free will???
He's originally a cold blooded killer
He changes in this timeline because he can't brainwash doroa, so he has a real relationship human being with duroa and managed to fall in love and become slightly better than he originally is (he won't kill because duroa clearly told him to not kill anyone)
In the original novel, when his brainwash work on duroa, he killed a lot and even coldly told duroa to die for him
He's a villain, who changes to be better because of transmigrated FL like the other isekai manhwa
And somehow i can still understand all the hate, yes he changes, but he's still toxic, but i myself don't hate him, just slightly annoyed, but i still accept him as ML and wait for his more character development
reread this manhwa and you'll know why he did what he did. he wasn't acting cold towards the FL...in my eyes he wanted her to stay out of his shitshow life even tho he loves her. there is a reason for every single thing he did i suppose because they showed us while he received the tea from her the cup was poisonous and he didn't want to drink it and he told his servant who poisoned the cup to drink it but couldn't tell the FL because he thought she won't believe her. there is a reason for his cold behavior over the past 10 years. he is trying to clear up the misunderstandings one by one now that he has power. he brainwashed the everyone in his home because everyone wanted to kill him...
It's just like villain's savior, the ML is originally evil and killed a lot in the novel, but FL stopped him before he kill anyone (so he never kills in the new timeline with transmigrated FL), same as nocton, that ML from villain's savior also still has urge to kill someone but held himself back because of FL
Last time when aaron puked blood, it's mentioned in the novel version (the actual novel of this manhwa, not 'the novel that read by FL in her previous life') that nocton attack aaron with killing intent, but he managed to held himself to not kill aaron because doroa is standing close to aaron, it's mentioned in the novel that duroa can get affected by nocton's magic when she stood so close to the target (aaron), and nocton also remembers duroa doesn't want him to kill
And alice's dream about nocton hypnotize aaron to stab alice and stab himself is actually true... That will really happen if duroa, alice, and aaron comes to nocton's tea party... In that moment, duroa stood far away from aaron, so she won't get affected, and nocton can blame aaron despite duroa will still be suspicious of him
None of that excuses his shitty mad toxic behavior you're really deluded. And he doesn't really "love" her. That isn't actual love. Idk if you've ever been in a relationship or seen a really healthy relationship but what he feels for her isn't love, its infatuation.
he became a cold blooded killer in the original story because nobody cared about him and everyone wanted him dead but he has the female lead by his side now and as he said he has one precious person so he has changed. he is no longer like that.
it's not that he can't brainwash her....he doesn't want to...you can see that he is avoiding calling her name for the past 10 years of knowing her. he doesn't want to brainwash her.
of course he is not completely fine...he was an abandoned child...HIS OWN MOM WANTED TO KILL HIM SINCE BIRTH...imagine the pain and suffering...how can he act like a normal person?
i like him regardless, i know that he will try to change...he is in the state of confusion now but he will change...i really hope the female lead stay by his side and don't abandon him in fear.
so you tell me if you were abused since you were a child and your own mom wanted to kill you since the first day and of course everyone wants you dead you entire life, you wouldn't turn out the way he is now? Family is the base of what makes you who you are and what you do. i can't change u r mind so...believe what you wanna believe i suppose #-.-)
Please read chapter 16 again, he brainwash people by calling their title/last name
He keep saying "come again, valrose" in the same manner, same time, same pattern, to make sure his brainwash work on duroa
His reason to brainwash duroa is not bad tho, he just doesn't want her to leave him
That's why he doesn't want to call her 'duroa' because he doesn't want her to leave him
In this chapter, nocton called 'sheryl' despite he usually calls her 'lady bernaine' to stop his brainwash on sheryl, that's why nocton told duroa 'i gave it back to her' (maybe he giving back her own consciousness or something)
Also chapter 11 page 2 or 3, nocton said "valrose is changing, is the hypnotize spell fading?"
So the thing is, nocton is under impression that duroa approached her because of hypnotize/brainwash, but he end up genuinely like duroa and want to wake her up by throwing her gift to the lake
After that, when duroa stopped coming to his house, he missed her and regretted that he wake her up from the hypnotize (when actually duroa doesn't get hypnotized at all, nocton is totally misunderstand)
So the time duroa came to his house again, nocton hypnotize her again by keep saying "come again valrose" and refuse to call her first name, because if he call her first name the hypnotize will break (read chapter 16 page 7-8)
And after duroa get engaged and refuse to come to nocton's engagement, nocton wonder of his hypnotize spell is fading (chapter 11)
So yes nocton try to brainwash duroa, but he can't, her brainwash doesn't work on duroa, he also can't read her mind, but he thinks duroa approached him because of hypnotize, he has no idea that duroa approached him on her own accord because duroa thought nocton is ML
i reread this manhwa so many times and i'm not saying that i'm totally right on this one, you could be right but i talked a lot about this manhwa with novel readers and translators and there so many missing facts that we can't say anything for sure.
i remember asking about this and one of the novel readers told me that he already said that "there is no spell on you...i didn't put any" somewhere so..i will ask about this whole thing again and if they know i'll make sure to let you know^^
I also read the novel myself, but i stop at the scene where nocton ask duroa to get back with him and said he will do anything as long as she can forgive/accept him back
And i admit this manhwa is confusing, the novel is also confusing
That "there's no spell on you" is news to me, and it's totally contradict chapter 11 and 16
But thank you very much for the info (▰˘◡˘▰)
This manhwa is complicated ( ̄∇ ̄")
Omfg yes that explains the way he is as a person but family trauma does not make it okay for you to be a shitty person ! You still need to be held accountable and no you don't get free passes. There's plenty of people with family issues who don't go around being manipulative and treating people they "love" like shit
i asked two of the translators and they have the same theory as me lmao.( ̄∇ ̄")(they replied so fast once i dmed them and that was surprising lol) they say, they think that he puts spells on people and takes them back with their given names so he avoids using her name. basically what i told you. and the one who told me he said"there is no spell on you" is not answering my dm right now lmao. if she does i'll tell you about it :D
yes it's confusing...but idk why i enjoy reading this manhwa so much and i normally don't like the villain vibe of the male leads but surprisingly i love Nocton, i myself am confused about the reason that i like this guy since the first chapter.
imma follow you because you have my baby yeni as your pfp and you seem like a kind person in general(▰˘◡˘▰)