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I actually think he's pretty okay ^^ not once did he over step his boundaries when Param was drunk or asleep. He was well respected and patiently waits for when he gets the chance to make a move. BUT on the other hand I like Hwi more lmao

okay, okay but kissing is still overstepping. BUT- here me out-
i think (so far, the vibes I'm getting) is that he isn't waiting for the right reason. he knows that Param likes him. He obviously likes Param. So why is he waiting? He's had plenty of chances to make a move and I get the vibes he is waiting while knowing that Param would probably do a lot to be with him. almost holding that over him while acting like he has no idea? it's annoying. I LOVE Hwi. so far he is a respectful man whom I enjoy Param being with. he seems more honest. I dislike This man's.... dishonesty when it comes to Param. if that makes sense

No, I completely understand what your trying to say because I was thinking that a little about what he was waiting for when he can just go and be with Param. Like I can picture him being like that xD but at least his one good fault is that he doesn't go to far. And Hwi is adorable lol. He is like just UwU. I would rather Hwi and Param to end up together ~

Also with the kiss, I think that is a little better than actually making further advances. I mean Hwi did something of the sort as well but his was jerking Param off the first time Param came to the Gym. Their whole relationship started based off Hwi knowing what Param did in the bathroom and was going to hold it against him because of what Param said to him but luckily things turned out fine and their much closer on friendlier terms c:

Nvm, forget that last thing about Param and Hwi. I wanted to make sure I was stating facts so I went back to look~

its fine i don't remember the beginning really. my memory is completely shot so

He only reacted that way because he is probably pissed after reading something like that on Params phone..

What do you mean "respectful". Mans literally black mailed him, did all sorts of shit without Params consent, such as touch him, etc. Sure as hell sounds like one disrespectful ass person to me. I don't see why people like Hwi. He seems so arrogant. Not to mention that his only intention from the begining was to have Param wrapped around his finger. I'm honestly rooting for Han. He KISSED him. That's all. Hwi literally jerked Param off while mocking him. The hell? Sounds like Han is the more respectful one

I see what you mean because I was about to give that same reason but he actually didn't do it without Param's consent. He asked Param of he wanted him to stop but Param didn't say anything, instead wanting him to continue. That's why in the end I chose not to give that reason cause Param wanted it, that's why he went back the next day he got a boner.

Not saying anything is NOT and I repeat, NOT consent. Silence is not agreement, especially not when it comes to sexual harassment or rape. Thus, making it sexual harassment nevertheless and still making Hwi a fucking asshole.

Actually Param did agree but silently. As I've stated before. Before Hwi EVER touched Param he was living Param's leg because he had gotten injured earlier. That's when Param was thi king of Mr. Han licking his wound and got a boner. Hwi told Parama to take off his pants so that he could further help the wound but Param told him he had a boner which resulted in hwi saying, "I'll take care of it sense I caused it."

He than asked Param, "Do you want me to stop?" Which Param only blushed not saying a word which Hwi THOUGHT it meant okay. Unless Param physically pushed Hwi away without saying anything of a yes or no only than can you say that he didn with without consent. The fact that Param allowed him to continue to touch him and give him a hand job was his way of allowing Hwi to continue to proceed with what he was doing. Not to mention, Param himself thought, I've never seen a guy touch my "stuff" before so I want to look. Which further portrays he didn't mind what Hwi was doing to him. Sure some stuff you can call sexual assault without one's consent but this isn't one of those moments. It's a stretch to say that when Param himself allowed it. Not 100% of the time someone would automatically say yes if they wanted someone to do something. They'd just go ahead and go with the flow which Param did. If you still don't get it that's fine. But I believe you can't consider this sexual assault since Param didn't say he didn't want it or attempt to stop Hwix giving him the idea that it was okay.

i agree. i think most circumstances consent isn't verbally given all the time- in a perfect world, maybe I guess. but it all seemed pretty consensual to me.

That's not the scene I was talking about. In the third chapter Hwi clearly touched Param in a manner that he did not consent to. Thus, sexually harassing Param. Not to mention that you don't necessarily have to touch someone to sexually harass them. Saying sexual things to someone you're not in some sort of relationship with, is also considered sexual harassment. And Hwi very much did that before he was even Params trainer. So yeah, and after all of that, there's also the fact that Hwi had no good intentions for Param in the first place. He wants to embarass and humiliate him. Meaning that Han is a lot more sincere and respectful, because Hwi has nothing to be sincere about anyway. Remember? Hwi has no feelings for Param. He's just toying with him. Blackmailing and manipulating someone sure doesn't seem like something someone nice and respectful would do.

This is and will be my last time saying this. Firstly the chapter your referring to is wrong. None of that happened it chapter 3. I think you meant chapter 6 because that's the only time he actually jerk Ram off. And again, your really trying to make a stretch with this sexual assualt gig when the ONLY time I'll allow you to say that and agree with you is chapter 16. If you need to go reread than by all means because right not your just spitting "facts" based off memory alone. Also, Hwi did not just randomly start blackmailing Ram just to have sex with him, which feels to me that's the underlining of what your trying to get at. If you clearly remember, in the first few chapters Hwi stated he didn't like the type of people who worked in Ram's establishment due to the fact that they can be stuck up and ostracize you because you're not working in a high class status. Moments after, Ram bumped into Hwi on his way to the bathroom with out apologizing and when Hwi confronted him about it, Ram displayed they type of behavior that Hwi was talking about earlier. When he found out that Ram was going to start exercising he said that he could get him fired but instead wanted to be his personal trainer. I'm sure he only had the intention of teasing and messing with him, but that all changed towards the 6 chapter.

I honestly feel like your being a bit biased because you don't like Hwi but lets not forgot Mr. Han. Sure I said Han was respectful but at the same time he's also guilty for being a bit sh*tty. He clearly was going to sexually harass and DID when Ram was asleep on the couch. He brushed his hand against his crotch and climbed on top of him, but only stopped because he received a phone call. If he did not, who could know what he was going to do. Also, yes it is just a kiss; however, Ram was DRUNK at the time. Because you like someone doesn't give you the okay or means you were okay with them kissing you, especially if at the moment you didn't think they were actually the person who you'd imagined. If it was a stranger I'm sure you'd be quick to call it sexual harassment. Sexual Harassment doesn't mean to also physically touch someone as you just stated. It can be kissing as well. Also, in the last Chapter Ram was devastated that Han was toying with him DESPITE knowing how he felt. Like I said I like Han to some degree but I highly doubt he has the best interest in mind for Ram. Either way how you perceived it is how you perceived it but I thought other wise. That is all. If you want to continue to rest your case, by all means but this is the last I'll talk about it.

Oh right, I didn't specify... I wasn't talking about Hwi jerking Param off in the third chapter, I was talking about how he touched him in an inappropriate manner (AKA the reason I said Hwi sexually harassed Param). In the first place, I never said he black mailed Param just to have sex with him. That's not even why Hwi did it in the first place. He did it so he could humiliate Param. So all of this JUST for that? That doesn't sound reasonable in the slightest, although you try to make it sound like it is. Also, "teasing and messing with him"? He talked about how much he's gonna ruin Params life and wrap him around his finger. Sure as hell doesn't sound like simple cute ol' "teasing" to me. The thing with Han brushing his hand on Params crotch... Hwi did a similar thing. The thing I was talking about in the third chapter. He flicked his nipple. So yeah, I'm not saying Han isn't an asshole, I'm just saying he's less of an asshole compared to Hwi. The whole Param being hurt thing feels like he was just being dramatic. Something that's very common with ukes in manga/manhwa/manhua. I'm here to simply enough express and explain my opinion. You are very much free to do so, too. My opinion is that Han is better than Hwi, in terms of behaviour, and hey... If you don't agree, that's fine with me. I don't want to come off as rude or anything, so I'm hoping no one will take this argument to heart. Have a nice day!

fr like that guy seems so sus

Omg ikr!!