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So now imagine yourself having a partner, boyfriend or girlfriend whichever you prefer, and they cheat on you. Obviously, in the past, they've played around before but they've gotten in a relationship with you now. You find them in the bed you share, after making love.
You love him or her, so you forgive them after they say sorry. They feel remorseful, it won't happen again. But you don't know that, if they could easily do it that time, they could easily do it again since they know that you will forgive them. Time makes us forget promises and lust is always strong.

This is how I see it, please let me know if this is ok with you, I'm genuinely curious and am not here to berate your opinion. To me, I wouldn't be able to deal with this situation.

I think I wouldn't be able to trust someone fully after that, but I am not the sort that goes into relationships because I have never felt strongly for someone enough to be committed to them. If I ever got into a relationship that was exclusive though (never been in one, again) I think it would mean for both me and the other person that having sex with someone else is a breach of what we have going on. A betrayal of our need to monopolize each other, and I would probably feel disgusted and sad. That being said, again, I have never felt like that for someone, I have always just had sex friends or one night stands, but not with random people, just with people I felt good with, that I knew quite a bit by then and I trusted my body with.

A guy I had sex with for a while once fell in love with one of my best friends at first sight (kind'a), and it was mutual, even though the both of us were pretty attached to each other. In fact, we lived in the same house (well we still do, with a couple of others), so you can imagine we were pretty close even before our relationship turned sexual or whatever. And even though I liked him I wasn't sad nor did I feel betrayed about it, I was genuinely extremely happy for them, and apart from no longer having sex together how we treat each other hasn't changed. And I did have feelings for him, I was just not in love.

And I think that this is something that love does to you. It gives you the pain and also the need to forgive, the need to worry about it and also the strength to work things out. If he had sex with someone else I wouldn't like seeing it, but I wouldn't mind it that much, the same goes for him as well. But that is what separates what I've experienced and what he experienced with my friend. They are in a platonic relationship now and in long distance because she lives in another country, and he only knew her for a few days at that point, and he gave up what we had, because that connection was special.

I think that if you make this connection with someone, and to add to that you grow attached to them, then I think that this is what the characters in the story were representing. They were in love, and deeply attached. Honestly, they are just characters, we don't know how the seme thought of his cheating act, or how it came to happen, that was just a "because plot" moment, it's not real life, you can't complain and it's not relevant. But the fact that he knew, despite how much he hurt his partner, that he wanted to beg him to be together with him again, and the fact that the other guy was willing to forgive him for it, and even the pain he must have felt, and that he put it aside, along with his pride, and along with the fact that he could never trust him fully again, for the sake of being with him, this just seems beautiful to me. That is what I think is love. It's selfless and it's about putting doubts and fears aside. And that is also the reason the mangaka made no excuses for the cheater guy. Because that wasn't the point. The point was the fact that they loved each other so much that they wanted to work it out. And that is what I found beautiful, and the moment I will love someone so much he will be able to cause me that much pain and happiness, I think that it will also be a beautiful experience. And well, when it happens and if it happens, then I will be able to truly give you an answer.

But that is my POV, I'm thankful you were not aggressive with this, sometimes when I express an unpopular opinion (or anyone does really) people just jump the gun, and then the conversation gets ruined by anger or berating comments.
I think that sometimes people have these ideas of what is a "bad" thing to do and a "good" thing to do, and sure, they are what they are, but they don't think about why those things are "good" and "bad". Some people just say "but, he CHEATED." and for all you know, they didn't even trully love that person, they just think that "this is a no-no" so the moment it happens the relationship should break apart because this is just how things work. But well I'm not the type to get into exclusive relationships without getting that special feeling for someone anyway, so I don't really get where those people are coming from anyway... and I think I'm just rumbling now so I'll stop -___-''' sorry I can't stop talking when I like a subject...

Yeah you wrote a lot XD but your thoughts were interesting!
My only background in romantic love is the secondhand ones from mangas, movies, etc. I know that someone can have sex with someone without feeling love, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing. We all feel urges, and sometimes they we can impulsively make a decision to go over that line with someone we like or a friend. It's a good that you were able to genuinely feel happy for your friend and your guy roommate.

Something that I can understand from my vast experience of reading is that if you are able to forgive someone for something unforgivable, that shows two things about you. One, you're stupid and maybe even slightly masochistic. Two, the amount of love you're able to give is admirable.
Cheating, to me, is one of the greatest betrayals in a relationship, and everyone has their final straws. However I know that love can make one irrational so if this happened to me, I feel like if I really, really loved the person enough I would be willing to stay by his side. So that makes me an idiot too.

Yeah you don't want me as a friend lol I'm unbearable when I get going with a topic.
The problem with people like us is that we don't have first hand experience I guess. But we all have loved people in our own way, either your parents or your siblings or your friends, even your pet maybe. And I'm just the kind of person who forgives people they care about easily, and maybe it I masochistic lol but when seeing what people who don't forgive others and cut off contact and connections have left after that, I don't find it stupid. Of course, extreme toxic relationships are another matter...

When I wrote my initial comment I just remembered I was half quoting a friend who once told me that for him physical love and spiritual love are two very different things and if it was in his hand he would have sex with other women, but his girlfriend gets jealous and doesn't get his pov, so he doesn't do it. By the way he said that the opposite wouldn't bother him either. He cherished his relationship more in the end though. Anyway, there are I think many kinds of ways to love, selfish, selfless, crazy, stupid, irrational, practical, but it's all about the individual I guess. For me selfless love is more beautiful because people usually put themselves first, and caring for someone more than that shows the power they have over you, but if someone isn't "stupid" and looks after themselves first and what is good for them, then, well, they live a healthy and stable life. Hahah. At the end, we are all humans living our life, experiencing things and evolving. What kind of things you will go through before it's game over is up to you. I wish we both then find out what the fuck this bs is about, and then for a few seconds remember this weird conversation in a manga reading website and laugh one day ~ ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Can I have a list

Oops wrong person. But your review was funny

lmao it's cool

so damn true (≧∀≦)

That's so true. When I first read the manga I thought that it was just gonna be as what you just written, and end at the part where they ask the slave uke to kill the seme. So when it doesn't end like that I was finally really into the manga, and started looking foward to the next update.