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Wait... did Lucaon + Kyon story really end? Nuuu... ( T﹏T )

I think so because they wrote in the second to last chapter, that this was part of a side story and since it was tied into the main plot, they will include it but will officially end after the next 10 chapters.

I mean Lucanon and Kyon never broke up, nor did Lucanon die so I'm not upset. I'm glad everything turned out okay, though I don't like the ending in sense of there wasn't a lot to it.

I'm not going to downvote you or attack you or anything, because you're completely entitled to your opinion, but I do really disagree.

For one thing, Hyesung is not to blame for getting pregnant. It was an accident. In real life obviously, contraception is not freaking difficult to work out so "accidents" involving no contraception are pretty much pure carelessness/stupidity. But in this case it's different. He doesn't even know how to live as an omega or how to keep himself safe, at the point he gets preggo. He's only recently found out that he is an omega, after all, and he's (understandably, imo) not coping with it well at all.

Another thing is that he didn't want the baby in the first place. That does not make him a terrible person. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent. He seems pretty self-aware that he wouldn't be good at raising a kid, which is more than I can say for a lot of people IRL, to be brutally honest. So he was going to do the right thing and NOT have it, but Dojin played the "It's my baby too, pleeeease have it!!!" card. And it's actually kind of awful that one of the main reasons Dojin did that is to try to keep a hold of Hyesung, rather than because he really, truly wants the child. I feel really uncomfortable about Dojin's motives and the game he's playing. He's using the baby to get what he wants as much as Hyesung is.

So Hyesung's basically going through this huge, body-changing, potentially traumatic or dangerous experience and letting Dojin have the baby, because that's exactly what Dojin wants from him (as far as Hyesung knows). Meanwhile I think it's pretty fair that he makes Dojin take responsibility for what he's asking Hyesung to put himself through.

Exactly

What? Dojin clearly wants the baby, it's as big a motivator for him as Hyesung, did we read the same manga? He goes and looks for baby booties when he's on his own and he's completely enamored by the ultrasound. Him not wanting the baby isn't a valid reason for him to be treating Dojin like shit when HE chose to keep it himself. i can cite the page where he says, and i quote, "i've decided to keep the baby" if you'd like. Dojin didn't JUST say "please give birth to it", he also said "but it's really your choice". No offense, seriously, but you've got some kind of filter over your eyes. You should read back.

I'm gonna have to agree with the OP, Dojin isn't playing the "it's my baby too" card. He really wants to be a dad. You can see it; buying baby shoes, reading pregnancy books, practicing changing diapers, etc. He's serious about it. Hyesung is going through a lot but in the end he's getting money and his life back. That was the contract he put in place for agreeing to have the baby. So the fact that you're making Dojin out to be the bad guy and Hyesung not is a bit unreasonable. Hyesung knows what he signed up for so he should stop complaining so much and take responsibility himself.

This^. You said it perfectly.

He's managing fairly well, all things considered. Pregnant at 19 by a stranger, and having no support system, dealing with his abusive parents and currently the physical and mental strain of this pregnancy. Yes he's getting money, in SK it costs to give birth, and Hye-sung was ordered to not work by Dojin so is reliant on him now anyway. Dojin and Hye-sung don't need to be a couple in order to raise their baby, as the saying goes, it's better to come from a broken home than to be raised in one. The author is going to have quite a struggle to show both sides actually having sincere love towards each other, that isn't just based on their more primitive omegaverse instincts, I'm guessing this will be neatly wrapped up soon after the baby is born, or if there is a big event before hand, like Dojin confessing to his parents about getting some omega kid knocked up after 3 weeks of knowing them, then he can maybe convey some real affection/devotion towards Hye-sung and the unborn baby a bit better than just buying them crap.

I'm not at all saying that Dojin doesn't want the baby, I agree that he does - what I meant was that a big motivation for him at the time when they find out that Hyesung's pregnant is that he doesn't want to lose Hyesung, not because he wants the baby in and of itself, without Hyesung as a factor. I don't think that makes him bad or a villain or anything, I simply don't find his motivation pure and unadulterated. I believe that a major reason that he loves the idea of the baby so much is because he's dreaming of being with Hyesung. Yes, you're completely right that Hyesung agreed, himself, of his own free will to have the baby. So Dojin can take it and have full responsibility for raising it, without Hyesung, as agreed by both of them. And Hyesung's keeping his end of the bargain. He's been honest about his intentions all along. On the other hand, do you really believe Dojin's planning on raising the baby by himself, and letting Hyesung go? Not a chance. Obviously there's basically no way the story would go that way, anyway. I'm pretty sure we can go back and forth on page-citing. I distinctly remember Dojin thinking to himself (something along the lines of) "I just need to keep him here for now" so he has a chance to convince Hyesung to stay with him. He's been freaking out about Hyesung trying to leave him for a while, before they even find out about the pregnancy. Also, here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-20/6/ . He does soften his attitude later, but this is how he is at first. And the bottom of this page is how Hyesung sees it: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-21/9/ . I don't take offence! And likewise, no offence. But I think reading back would probably give both of us plenty of evidence for our opinions.
I don't see that Hyesung is treating Dojin *that* badly. He's being a brat, but hey, he is only 19, pregnant, hormonal, scared, and alone. I don't feel that the hostility towards him is justified. In general I think he's treating Dojin as someone he doesn't love or even particularly like, and with whom he's been forced into an unwanted situation, partly through accident and his own mistakes of course. To him, Dojin's still the alpha who treated him like shit for being an omega - and treated him in every way AS an omega (naturally) - when he'd only just found out that he was one and was horrified about it. Yeah, he made a contract, and he's doing his part. Why should he act nice or sweet? Being sweet or obedient or even courteous wasn't part of the deal. I think things are going to change as the story goes on, anyway, but for now I don't think anything he's doing makes him a terrible, awful person.

Please don't misunderstand, I don't think Dojin is a bad guy. As I say above, I do see that he wants the baby - but to me, he wants the baby WITH Hyesung. He doesn't want to let Hyesung go and raise the baby alone, I think we can all agree on that. And he's not planning on it happening if he can possibly help it. He was freaking out about how to get Hyesung to stay with him, and then the baby suddenly exists as a perfect way to bind Hyesung to him. That's probably just convenient plot-wise, don't get me wrong, but it does make me uncomfortable. It doesn't make me dislike Dojin, I don't dislike him. What I don't get is why some people hate Hyesung for not being sweet or happy about the situation. He made a contract to have a healthy baby and he's doing what he signed up for. He never made a contract to love or even like Dojin. He's a brat, but it's understandable. Dojin's not a bad guy but neither is Hyesung, in my opinion.

Thank you! It’s nice to see someone explain this so well. The comments are mostly full of praise for Dojin and hate for Hyesung and I don’t think it’s really fair based on the story the author is giving us.
Unintentionally, Dojin would be taking advantage of Hyesung, who is broke, technically homeless, who he refuses to allow to have a job, who is an omega new to the whole thing living with a very powerful alpha instead of the beta he wanted to live with, and has low self-esteem and believes he has no strengths because of being raised in an abusive household. His only strength was being an alpha, which he was clearly very proud of and it was his biggest motivator. It turns out he isn’t, and it’s completely ripped away from him as it turns out he’s actually an omega. I think Hyesung’s allowed to be bratty cause his life is pretty awful. He.. really has nothing.
I’m pretty sure his story arc will revolve around him overcoming the trauma of his abuse and realizing he does have talents, perhaps getting a job to do with mathematics, and his relationship with Dojin will be less toxic by then. He’ll have autonomy and a feeling of self-worth.

By “he really has nothing” I meant that he lost his job, home, and the only thing that gave him confidence in very short order. Like in a few days. Just to clarify.

This is a fair post, it's nice to read some balanced comments.

You said, and i quote, "he was going to do the right thing and NOT have it, but Dojin played the 'its my baby too, please have it!' card. And its awful that one of the main reasons Dojin did that was to try to keep a hold on Hyesung, rather than because he really, truly wants the child. I feel really uncomfortable about Dojin's motivations and the game he is playing. He's using the baby as much as Hyesung is to get what he wants".--- You sugarcoat it with a few neutral phrasings, but your intent is obvious. As far as "going back and forth page citing", i'm sure, but only because you'd repeatedly try and take things out of context. Go ahead, cite pages so that i can put them in context and make your thinnly-veiled actual opinion of "Dojin's actually a dick" invalid. There is more there to evidence that he's just been trying to help than the little tidbits you'll try to place out of context.

He wasn't "freaking out about how to keep Hyesung with him", the guy he JUST realized he's been in love with this entire time is pregnant with his child. He realizes they're not in a good place relations-wise so he plans to woo him... You're twisting things into something darker than the reality. He's just in love and plans to marry him, nothing nefarious. He just wants Hyesung there with the baby because he's in love with Hyesung.

You are mistaken about one thing. Not wanting a baby isn't what makes him a terrible person. I am pro-choice btw. It's the facts that he is using his baby to make money and mistreating/using/degrading someone whom is taking care of his broke money hungry ass. Once you use an innocent life for monetary gain and to have someone become your personal punching bag and cash cow because of it, your despicable to me. I repeat, whether or not life circumstances have been harsh or unfair to you, as a human being strive to do better, be better especially when a child is involved. Once he chose to use that baby for a monetary contract all his baggage became null. Too many are blaming Dojin like you are accusing him of playing the "It's my baby too, pleeeease have it" card. That is so off track. He isn't playing, it's genuine. He legit wants the baby and Hyesung. Him wanting both isn't a ploy. He finally realized and omega, too bad it's this one, is his mate. Another thing, once again Hyesung is so shameless he's not even pretending to give a rats ass about that child's well being or anybody else's but himself. Once he decided to bear that child he too is responsible for it. Being a parent isn't easy and if he really didn't want to give birth all he had to was keep quiet and get it done behind Dojin's back. Truth is he saw bling bling and a way to use the baby daddy. Not gonna change my mind on that because that is exactly what the author has shown me over this character. Heysung doesn't have to make Dojin take responsibility because, TAH-DAH, Dojin wanted to from the very beginning. Besides taking responsibility isn't taking advantage it's being a support and source of strength. Dojin is doing that without greedy Hyesung having to squeeze it out from him.

Thank you so very much! Dojin is far from innocent but he clearly isn't the screwed up one here. So true, he fell in love! (With the wrong one) lol

Hmm, I see the situation more like one of giving a baby up for adoption/surrogacy. In those situations the one carrying the baby doesn't necessarily have any responsibility for the child that extends beyond the birth, depending on the agreement between the parties. Sometimes those scenarios involve monetary compensation, although I do feel that can be unethical, especially because it often happens when the parties are of very unequal financial status and power. I can't see it as simply making Hyesung a terrible person, but since that's how you feel about it then that's how you feel, and I can understand that. I also can't think that Dojin is simply a good, wonderful prince, I find his motivations and actions problematic - but I don't think that makes him sinister or a bad person, or that it makes Hyesung a victim. This (having a baby) is a huge thing to bank on for the love he feels for someone he barely knows. It's also a huge thing to ask of someone who is young and in very vulnerable circumstances no matter how obnoxious he acts, and who clearly doesn't have similar feelings for Dojin. You don't use a baby to make a good relationship, you should use a good relationship to make/raise a baby. He's going about things backwards because it's currently the only way to get Hyesung to stay with him to give him a chance. But you make a really good point, this is omegaverse. I think I need to remind myself that omegaverse logic relies heavily on biological determinism, because there's nothing healthy here for either of them without that logic.

Well, there are multiple times where it shows Hyesung luxuriating and happy specifically about the money, not sure what you've been reading. He says "i can do whatever i want and these idiots can't say anything" in ch 23 i believe it was, towards the end. He is consciously manipulating the situation and laughing at what he views as their stupidity for playing into his hands. Not sure what else you need.

That reader just doesn't want to see it. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ That is why I won't bother to answer anymore. No matter how they dress it, Hyesung remains dispicable to me and Dojin is daddy goals! ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Totally agree. The omega dude was the one initiate the sex back then, thus making him the one raping the alpha, not the other way around

Exactly, but it seems to conveniently slip people's minds. Ironic he got pregnant the time he raped initiated the sex even when Dojin didn't want it. Yet he didn't blame the uke at all.

amen!!! i totally understand u!!

Great minds think alike! Amen!

Stop, stop ur missing something here, if he wanted to kill Ryan he would have been dead but instead he poisoned him enough to make him sleep for years and he wasn't the one who gave Lucaon's parents the solution, at the start of the manga they said the guy who did it committed suicide but the flash back just now showed us that Christoph was the one who killed him instead

But did Chris kill him so that they couldn't be cured or?

He didn’t know those people then, it was just his job, given to him by his brother.

He still went in plotting with intent and that is enough. Same thing as tagging along with a group where one pulls the trigger and all you did was set the dude up by taking him to the place. You're still a guilty accomplice. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

True.