Amorim's Topics (458)

Me too unu

Those are insane. My God, the things we humans do are something else...

not sure if this will help but i think it's because of the fact that his family already knows about his condition so he won't have to feel as nervous when talking... like he consciously knows that they won't judge him. when encountering a stranger, he doesn't want to give off a bad impression so he becomes mentally aware and stress on how he'll talk... resulting him to stutter

I have also another condition that gets triggered when I'm with people I don't know or in public transport. However when I'm with my family, close friends or alone I have it under control. It's mainly because I have told them what I have and I don't feel judged with them.

wellll I mean they're like 16 sooo it would be pretty wild if they had a good understanding of s&m.

fair trade for the abs of the gods, chiseled from marble

You got a point there

In the novel, she was portrayed as a handsome woman. Meaning her looks is similar to a handsome young man but average looking as a woman. She looks good in men's clothes than in women's clothes. While Lucius' beauty is considered feminine. '-' Lucius' is a beauty but beast in bed. :v

Oh no he is completelyz perfect Dom here. It's not like he manipulats his sub, it's not like he makes him do things Chanwoo is uncomfortable with. It's not like he pressure him to "mate" with the guy who just humiliated him and used him. It's not like he doesn't know that Chanwoo has problems with saying no and refusing.

Ik everyone was getting mad at MD as if he isn’t in a bdsm relationship with chanwoo. The things MD was making him do are pretty normal

Imagine trying to use someone's feelings of love for you to get them to sleep with you while you have a boyfriend. Imagine not even saying that over text but expecting the guy who likes you to meet with said boyfriend face to face with no warning. Thats not shitty and manipulative at all right?

And Chanwoo bringing some guy that he knew would hurt MD to bring isn't "uncomfortable" and "pressuring"? He told Chanwoo up front that he didn't have to do it. MD knew Chanwoo had problems saying no the same way Chanwoo knows that MD is sadistic and hurt over being rejected. No one is saying MD is perfect, but he's not the only one in the wrong.

OMFG. Yeah it's completely normal to say someone that they can refuse BUT .... They will be abounded if they want to stop. It's safe BDSM play?

Chanwoo literally said that he thought the breathplay was shitty but that he didn't want MD to "win" so thats why he didn't say the safeword even though MD gave him multiple chances. And then said he wished MD didn't have feelings for him. Imagine recognizing that someone is hurt by a rejection and then asking them to meet you so that you can shove your new boyfriend in their face and ask to sleep with them both at the same time. What a pitiable man chanwoo is huh?

yeah actually. When someone shows up with their new boyfriend prepared to leave you and then you tell them they can leave any time if they don't like the way you treat them, thats not abandonment. Thats a mutual parting of ways.

He wanted his APPROVAL as his sub. He wanted to see if MD will want to continue their play now that he has a bf. So he should lie and hide he is in relationship. This is better option ?

No babe you don't create toxic competition which doesn't have to do anything with BDSM play. You have a conversation as normal, adult human being and consider all options and what will wrong for you. Not this paranoia.

MD is being manipulative. The 'choice' is not actually a choice if MD knew that Chanwoo would only feel like he has one option. It's the same as blackmail.

Ya'll are really showing you know nothing of BDSM. MD is supposed to be a Dom, control before emotions. MD is showing how petty he is and how he is ruled by emotions. He should not be a Dom if this is what he does when things don't go his way.

No matter HOW Chanwoo acts, he's a sub and an amateur one as well. He's not as well versed, he doesn't even know about BDSM before this. He's literally USED TO ABUSE. Therefore, less likely to know WHEN HE IS BEING ABUSED or when IT'S GETTING TOO FAR.

MD is a DOM, one that has been going on for MANY YEARS with DIFFERENT subs. He's not acting like a dom at all. Just a petty b*tch.

Work for you*

You're right. A normal adult human would talk to MD (someone that has feelings for him) about dating someone new instead of forcing him into a toxic environment where he has to sit at the same table as the man. Last time I checked MD has no obligations to look after chanwoos feelings after being rejected. Especially since chanwoo was considering breaking it off with him for this new guy. You're right that MD didn't have to create that environment, just like chanwoo didn't have to follow.

MD is being manipulative. The 'choice' is not actually a choice if MD knew that Chanwoo would only feel like he has one option. It's the same as blackmail.

Ya'll are really showing you know nothing of BDSM. MD is supposed to be a Dom, control before emotions. MD is showing how petty he is and how he is ruled by emotions. He should not be a Dom if this is what he does when things don't go his way.

No matter HOW Chanwoo acts, he's a sub and an amateur one as well. He's not as well versed, he doesn't even know about BDSM before this. He's literally USED TO ABUSE. Therefore, less likely to know WHEN HE IS BEING ABUSED or when IT'S GETTING TOO FAR.

MD is a DOM, one that has been going on for MANY YEARS with DIFFERENT subs. He's not acting like a dom at all. Just a petty b*tch.

Completely agree.
Unfortunately talking with these people who believe Chanwoo deservses that treating, that MD is teaching him a lesson, that he should beat him harder... I seriously am so done with this comment section. It's beyond disturbing that people can't recognize obvious manipulation.

He didn't want his approval, he said he was considering breaking it off until his "bf" said he could do two at once. He shouldn't lie, but he shouldn't force them together at the same table. He should acknowledge MDs feelings and that he's doing this anyway and that MD could take it or leave it

There are literally professionals out there who only have BDSM relationships, PAID ONES and do not have personal relationships with their subs. Chanwoo told MD his expectations OUT OF their BDSM play, it was expected of MD to choose to accept or decline.

Instead MD is using their BDSM play to emotionally manipulate Chanwoo. He's using his emotions instead of thought which can be dangerous in BDSM play.

People are literally showing how little they know of BDSM.

where's the one option? MD? No I don't think so, he's got the option of walking away which is what he was prepared to do if MD refused to share with the boyfriend. He clearly is capable of going out with other men as is shown here. They didn't meet for a month and a half and chanwoo seemed unfazed.

It was insensitive. I can agree. But MD knows perfectly well that Chanwoo was abused by his ex partners and he was just now rejected and used by another guy and he fully takes advantage of that. How you can use a card: oh once again you were used and rejected and I'm gonna abandon you too if you won't follow my conditions in some super toxic play". How inconsiderate is that. To make him make out and mate with the guy who just used him. It's on a different level especially knowing his past.

? Slapping and ESPECIALLY choking sn't uncommon in bdsm, and I say that as someone who safely participates in it often, and who knows others who do, and is communities for it. I, personally, don't allow face slapping, but plenty of people do, and while I don't know enough about the rules THEY have established, if an action goes too far in a bdsm relationship, you say the safe word. I know people who get off on almost passing out through choking, and hey, that's THEIR business and yes, it is BDSM- but here's the thing, Chanwoo violated his own rules by refusing to call out the safe word due to his own stubbornness and the author did a good job portraying how violating the guidelines negatively affects both partners, so no, I don't think she has any reason to be ashamed.

Omg MD knows Chanwoo has a problems with knowing his limits and as experienced Dom he either can deal with it or stop their relationship. Now taking advantage of him.
It's clear they didn't discuss the play and it's elements beforehand.

No matter HOW Chanwoo acts, he's a sub and an amateur one as well. He's not as well versed, he doesn't even know about BDSM before this. He's literally USED TO ABUSE. Therefore, less likely to know WHEN HE IS BEING ABUSED or when IT'S GETTING TOO FAR.

The onus was on MD to teach him.

MD is a DOM, one that has been going on for MANY YEARS with DIFFERENT subs. He's not acting like a dom at all. Just a petty b*tch.

And he nearly strangled him to death. It was serious. It wasn't some innocent breath play. MD mixed his anger after rejection in the play which is unacceptable. And nearly hurt Chanwoo because of that. That never happened before only after rejection.

The point was not slapping OR choking. It was MD being manipulative and presenting a choice that wasn't an actual choice because he KNEW what Chanwoo would choose. This is called BLACKMAIL.

MD is literally the one in control and in charge. Was he in control? Or did he use his emotions? As a Dom, what he's doing is DANGEROUS. It's one step from being an actual murderer.

I’m confused where everyone is getting he was ready to break it off . He didn’t want to end the relation and he also was upset about them not meeting he even said he wasn’t in a good mood

If chanwoo is a good sub like you say, his emotions shouldn't be involved either and therefore, no one is using anyone right? Also chanwoo as far as I know gave 2 rules "this is a working relationship" and "I want you to use and abuse me" if I'm at work and my boss says "hey you can work with someone you hate or you can quit" care to guess what my options are? I can either work with someone I hate, or quit. Its up to me and its not my boss fault if I hurt myself choosing the wrong option. After all, I can quit anytime.

I do agree MD is being petty but MD even tried to distance himself after doing the breath play with chanwoo cause he knew it was wrong but chanwoo still wanted to continue the relationship after that

You seriously don't see the power inbalance here and the fragile state after years of abuse Chanwoo is. You literally dismiss it. You sound like people who say why wife didn't abound her husband although he has abused her for years.
MD is experienced Dom in comparison to amator Chanwoo. He should have known better than using manipulations and taking advantage of Chanwoo's weaknesses.

OOps I accidentaly upwoted, yikes

he told the boyfriend that MD might not be okay with this and so he was "considering--" he never finishes that sentence because the bf says he's ok with seeing them both but it was heavily implied that the answer to that sentence was "considering ending it with MD"

I am willing to agree that MD took advantage but all I hear is "MD Knew he didn't know his limits and was abused" well chanwoo knew MD liked him and was distancing himself and was not in control of himself. Guess what chanwoo did? Was that MDs fault too? Everyone here acts like chanwoo is the victim when he has shown he's capable to move on with someone else, and was prepared to use MDs feelings for him. He is at fault too and you guys act like MD is supposed to be some benevolent God who never gets angry and lets chanwoo treat him however he like because he was abused before. You seriously don't see the problem with that? Chanwoo isn't some broken animal. He clearly has issues but he clearly has strength too. He should be held accountable for the things that he does and the places he puts himself in.

To be clear I don't think he deserved to be used by the boyfriend, but dies he deserve MDs anger? Yeah I think so.

And? So he 'tried'. Big whoop. What did he do in the end?

We are LITERALLY telling you how Chanwoo is inexperienced. Therefore, the person who should know how INEXPERIENCED Chanwoo is, KNEW that CHanwoo doesn't even know his own limits is MD.

The fact you use your OPTIONS as though it's universal is RIDICULOUSLY immature of you.


If someone offered me to lick their shoe for money, I wouldn't. But with someone who doesn't have money, who's starving, they HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.

Even your example is ridiculous, good for you that you can choose to quit. How about a person who needs to feed a family? A person who was never taught to value themselves?

We are talking about someone with Chanwoo's past, NOT YOU. An option to you, may not be an actual option to someone else.

Which would have been fine if MD didn't know that. But MD knew. Look at his smirking face, he knew it wouldn't actually be an option to CHanwoo.

Yet he still went with it. He's literally TAKING ADVANTAGE of 1) Chanwoo's inexperienced as a sub 2) Chanwoo's past for the BDSM play.

He's using his emotions in BDSM play to be petty. Please use a braincell.

Yeah he was doing pretty good until chanwoo wanted to meet again ??

He introduced him to his new bf. Yeah it was insesitve but he also wanted clear situation. He wanted to see if they can continue their relationship. MD didn't end up their relationship, he wanted to continue. Why Chanwo should. You knows how hard it's to find compatible dom who you can trust. And Chanwoo trusted him even after the strangled part which speaks volumes. And now compare it to things MD has done. I think the list is so much longer.

you can use your braincells too. In the form of "people can disagree with you" Chanwoo has shown himself capable to take care of himself and able to say no. After all, he was going to break off his relationship with MD. CHANWOO is the one who brought up how this was a work relationship. Thats the only reason I brought it up. If you think he meant work relationship as "someone with no other option and a family to feed" fine, go ahead. I took it to mean "someone in a regular work environment". As I've said, I can agree now that MD was taking advantage. But so was chanwoo.

What happened in the end? Oh a murderer didn't kill when he could have at the start. SO he was doing good until he ACTUALLY murdered someone. Lol, what a good explanation.

Also a few other thing because I'm losing track of what replies I've given. Chanwoo broke it off with his abusive boyfriend. He said he doesn't seek them out, but they end up being abusive, and then he ends it with them. Also where is it stated that he is unable to say the safeword. The only instance I've found so far is the one where he didn't want MD to win. I think chanwoon can stand up for himself, and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. Yes he's emotionally fragile right now and MD is taking advantage but MD was emotionally fragile and decided to distance himself and who was it that called him back and took advantage?