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They don't need to? They just said they don't like it

Im just wondering why.

Same here. The uke is really complicating this. I am not saying he should give im easily. But he is being gullible either way. He is reliant on dragon and at the same time he craves the prince. Bitch just choose one! He is overlooking the dragon succumbing to darkness. That is becoming a mara. Too much delusional tbh

Yes, and he don't trust the person who save him rather he trust those fucking devil people.
And also, he just open his eyes while the dragon killing people in front of him. He knows only the crown prince can help his blood craving. Why not go back and accept the job.... He let two men confused, he let the two men kissed him.

sometimes overly smart ruined the mood. Just my opinion ...

What I mean devil people is the wife of the dead King and her subbordinates.

yay! I'm excited to see people who don't appreciate Suu's amazing character leave. goodbye!

I think the uke should throw his arms in the air and run tf away. Neither is what he needs ast the moment. He was thrown in this mess with no way out. If i were Suu, i wouldnt know what to do either.

agreed. consistently thrown around by people telling him what he has to do. it's quite frustrating when it sometimes feels like he has no way out

Glad to see someone has the same view. This is an incredible difficult situation to find yourself in.

haha i love u

For real. Suu is one of the few non-dormat MCs in yaoi, he’s truly unique. Some people have a single brain cell and can’t appreciate complexity

If he didn't betrayed the crown prince the problem and the blood craving of the dragon won't escalate. The uke as the dragon to rain for few days for his former devil boss(King's wife). And He's the one who put his friend in danger because He trusted the devil woman than the crown prince.
I hope his friend is still alive from the fire.

I think Jin is a fascinating character, but the crown prince betrayed Suu first, kept him locked up, wiped his memories, broke his foot, and lied to him for like a 100 chapters straight. Suu never trusted the noble consort lady, he just wanted to be free from the prince and made a mistake in believing he would be free after he did what she asked. I hope Nadan is still alive though, I think he is.

Nope, Suu lost a bit of his memory Everytime the crown prince healed him. Crown prince has the right to hide his identity to protect himself and his plan. For me Suu is too smart , too stupid and selfish. If he open up his problem to the crown prince, if he tell him earlier about his plan with the devil concubine , his friend might not be dead(assume the fire caught up) or the crown prince might free his friend. But he did not, he rather trust those bad people and continued his escaped plan. The crown prince never harm him. Instead he is safer there. But he chose to escape the country. He's to smart to betrayed the seme but too stupid to trust the devil.

this is entirely wrong. if someone kidnaps you, are you 'betraying' your kidnapper if you run away? no.
prince Suryeon was holding Suu captive in order for Suu to give his life energy away to Sahara. Once Suu found out the truth behind his imprisonment, Suu's memories were completely taken away. In fact, they were taken away little by little throughout his imprisonment.
Suu's plan was always to run away with Nadan. no one should be surprised that he finally made the move and tried to escape.

Everyone is flawded here, there is no perfect. And thats exactly what i love about this story. Not white or black, but grey. Mistake will, and, are made. And its interesting to see how the characters will deal with them. That mskes a story real.

He always plan to run away but Nadan didn't agree cause he knows they don't have or don't know a safer place to live. The crown prince paid him to do it and he's safer there than being with the devil woman as an accomplice. Many times Suu was very careless, he moved without thinking the consequences. He's careless sometimes hurt the person who adore him especially his bestfriend and the crown prince. He ruined the crown prince plan and his friends quiet life. And it was his fault that the dragon craved more human. He asked him to rain for few days. If he trust the crown prince the devil woman won't success his plan. Lucky that the crown prince is smart and powerful too...

Because of the favor he ask to the dragon he himself suffer more... If he just stayed quiet and honest none of those happened.

He's too impulsive, remember how he brought the other person lost his tongue because he pester him.
Now, the problem escalate because of the Fake rain.

Why can't he submit and cooperate with the crown prince? If they can solve all the burden together , his friend will be free and can have a good life. But Suu wants to complicate everything because of his attitude.

That's how I thought after reading this...
I really don't like the uke for now.

Yes, I agree with you entirely. Suu was smart but he was incredibly stupid to believe the consort. He chose his allies rather poorly.

Good question. Why did the prince force Suu to babysit the dragon in the first place?
1. The dragon isn't just an ordinary dragon. He has the power to summon rain which the whole country's future is dependent on it. If he was just a mindless killing machine with no rain powers, the crown prince would have executed the dragon in the first place.
2. The dragon feeds on the prince. That's tradition. Now, the dragon can't directly feed on the crown prince. As a result, the dragon goes rampant, killing animals and humans alike to satisfy his hunger until he met Suu.
3. You talk about Suu's goal about escaping Rahan? The story has already set him up in a food chain where the dragon must feed on Suu and Suu must feed on the prince. For the sake of the plot, Suu would have to stay with the prince and the dragon. (It's amazing people easily forget this.)
Tbh Suu's goal of escaping Rahan wasn't properly established, his past was focused entirely on his obssession with Nadan. The escape plan wasn't focused until Suu went to the consort and collaborated with her.
You want to say he wanted to escape? Then Suu made very poor decisions for his plan. If he wanted to escape, why bring Nadan in his plan (who thinks Suu is just a burden, already in the prison and further complicate his plans). And then why in the world did he help the consort? Even the dumbest people know the consort is the worst opinion for an ally. (She is the type of person who would rid of you once she has achieved her goals)
You call the prince did horrible things? First thing, he's the crown prince, he has the authority to execute people without reason (also same reason why he kept a bloodthirsty dragon in the palace)
2. The prince has hid the dragon's powers because he can't feed to him directly. Therefore the dragon's identity must be kept hidden. That's why the prince can't reveal his and the dragon's identity to Su.
I would not blame the prince. He did his damnest to keep the dragon away from the consort and maintain his crown prince position. If he didn't have the gall to do that, he would have been eliminated in the politics game long ago.

I dont think he 'believed' her. I think he was scared of her, thus bidding to her will

I doubt that. He literally said that she was his lifeline even after she tried to kill him twice. He even believed that she would give him a carriage right after betraying her.

why would he trust her? Suu has had a very long relationship with the consort that started even before the first chapter. she isn't someone that he met recently and thought 'this is a person who seems trustworthy.' no, suu is much smarter than that. again, why did he trust her? Suu has made deals with the conosort before. so far, she has done a very good job in compensating him for tasks that he had done near the beignning, before he was captured and placed into the shrine. does he know that she is untrustworthy? yes. but given their past history, he was willing to make a deal with her.
it was obviously a lapse in judgement, but when a beloved character makes a mistake or is tricked, my first instinct is not to suddenly hate them, as some readers are suddenly insisting upon

Yeah, he literally said that the consort was scary. And what did he do? He walked to the consort striking a deal with her even telling about Nadan which led to his possible death. What good job in compensating him? She literally tried to kill Nadan. He knows that she isn't trustworthy? So, what did he do? Did he try to protect himself from the consort? No. Did he have a backup plan? No. He even ran to the carriage which would lead him to his death if not for the dragon.
What's the point of making a deal with someone who would kill you? Lmfao.

Let me say, your reply trying to make Suu smart and also condoning the consort is extremely hilarious. It's basically why most people who are frustrated with Suu.
"Yeah, I am so smart. I even tried to manipulate both the dragon and the prince. But I hate them both so I won't try to get their help. I will just work with the consort and get myself killed."

First off, you are acting as though the consort killed Nadan. The consort did not kill Nadan, he struck a deal and has left, and he did not wish Suu to know. A messenger from the consort came to Suu and told Suu that Nadan was dead. Suu, knowing that Suryeon had a desire to execute Nadan and generally held ill world towards Nadan, believed that the prince had killed Nadan.
Suu does not trust the prince, and because the prince is keeping him in the shrine and taking his memories and feeding him to a dragon, all against his will, I might add, why would Suu ask for his help? When Sureyon is ready to break Suu's leg just to keep him there, what makes you think Suryeon would let Suu go?
How you fail to see how Suu is a victim here is incredibly beyond me and makes me think that you did not understand the plot whatsoever. Please go and re-read it before you attempt to argue with someone. Your argument makes no sense, and has zero legitimacy.

Lmao. Where did I say that Suu wasn't a victim? Don't make things up because you basically have no argument against my point. Where did I say that Suu to trust the prince? Don't try to mix up the argument here.
I am just saying the prince wasn't willing to kill Suu as much as the consort. Suu has basically manipulated the prince that he could succeed in his plan if he tried. Why did Suu start a relationship with the prince in the first place?
The consort tried to rid of Nadan once she knew the rain is due to the dragon and she didn't need Suu's help anymore. Read the story again. You're forgetting the facts here.
At least try to argue with me sticking to the point instead of bringing up unnecessary things. Now, your ditching your point why Suu worked with the consort because you have no argument. And stop making up things I never said.

Why did the prince keep him in the shrine? Because he can, lmao. He's the prince and he has the authority to make people do what he wanted. And making him forget things? Because the dragon's identity must be kept secret. (It's becoming ridiculous people forget about these things. This is not a relationship between two schoolboys in modern era.)
And why did the prince break his leg? Not because it was just to keep him there. Because Suu literally betrayed the prince and now the dragon is helping the consort in effect. It seems like your the one who is forgetting about the basic plot points.

And I didn't say that Suu should trust the prince in the first place. Stop making things up.
If you think Suu asking the prince for help is by asking the prince directly that he wants to escape the palace, then I will just assume you don't understand what manipulation means.

to be honest, I have zero idea what point you are trying to prove, but you seem very much against Suu, so I am defending him. and since we all apparently agree that Suu is a victim, why are you trying so hard to manipulate a narrative in which he is some awful person, a narrative that does not exist? you're guess is better than mine.
first off, none of us knew that the consort would betray Suu, so do not attempt to act like 'everyone saw it coming'. please see me earlier comment, as it clarifies my stance on this.
also, when Suu escaped to the wagon, it was not the dragon who saved Suu, as your earlier comment said, it was Suu who killed the person in the wagon. again, did we the readers know that there would be someone waiting in the wagon to kill Suu? no, we had no idea, so why did you attempt to make it seem like 'Suu should have known'? just as the reader didn't immediately know the consort would betray Suu, Suu didn't know either..
Sure, Suu attempted to manipulate the prince. If you were held captive, would you manipulte your captives in order to get away? I would.
you are completely ignoring the awful wrongdoings made upon Suu.

"none of us knew the consort would betray Suu. There would be someone who would kill Suu in the wagon."
Jesus. I never thought I would meet someone who has no idea where the direction of the story is going. Have you ever watched Korean dramas? Is this manga the first manga you read? You think The consort is going to help Suu after she got what she wanted. LMAOOOO.
Remember, villains don't let you get away once you have finished the mission. They get RID of YOU. It's a stereotypical thing in Korean dramas.

yep. there was no foreshadowing. there is no way the reader could have known, other than being aware that she is 'an evil woman' (as someone previously argued, jesus)
since you didn't take the time to read my earlier comment, I am going to go ahead and copy and paste it here. cheers.
"Why would he trust her? Suu has had a very long relationship with the consort that started even before the first chapter. she isn't someone that he met recently and thought 'this is a person who seems trustworthy.' no, suu is much smarter than that. again, why did he trust her? Suu has made deals with the conosort before. so far, she has done a very good job in compensating him for tasks that he had done near the beignning, before he was captured and placed into the shrine. does he know that she is untrustworthy? yes. but given their past history, he was willing to make a deal with her.
it was obviously a lapse in judgement, but when a beloved character makes a mistake or is tricked, my first instinct is not to suddenly hate them, as some readers are suddenly insisting upon"

Explaining why the prince did things in the first place doesn't necessarily equate to saying Suu is an awful person. Try to read my previous replies there.
Of all my previous replies, the only point I have made about Suu is his stupidity in working with the consort. AND that is without any backup plans. And literally he did say that he can't trust the consort and at the SAME time, didn't do anything to counter the consort.
He ran to the carriage. And what? Try to cross the desert by himself??? Lmao. (The only plausible thing for him to survive in the desert alone is turning into a killing machine like Sahara and start killing people and Mara left and right)
I can't believe I am explaining basic things. Then again, I should expect this considering you didn't even realize the consort was going to betray Suu. Lmao.

Unlike you, I read the replies carefully. I have already explained and replied to that. Seriously, you don't know that the villain is going to rid of Suu? I have no words. Maybe readers here are more in tune with more Korean manhwas and series or more intelligent than you.
No foreshadowing? Read the manga again. Everyone knows here the scar lady is going to be the villain the moment she appears.
The inability to differentiate the allies and villains. Jesus.

what do you mean 'try to cross the desert by himself'? he believed that the carriage was his safe passage. he believed all of the provisions and supplies and escorts and he would need for such a trip would be provided. if you're arguing the logistics of how a carriage could cross a desert, it's really not your place to argue; it's simply how the author wrote the story.
let me remind you of the plot once more, and this will be the last time I remind you, as your ignorance is tiresome: once Suu ran to the carriage, the carriage that would take him out of the city and the one he fully believed was capable of doing so, he ran into the wagon rider, his "escort" that attempted to kill him, and was, of course, unsuccessful. he did not then attempt to cross the desert by himself. Saharah found him.
and no, when I read a story as well written as this one, I do not believe the characters are one-dimensional, and that they have layers. a bad person will not only do bad things, and a good person will not only do good things.
if you read the story that way, and are open to the alternative actions of the characters, you would not know for sure that the consort would betray Suu. If you are a reader who reads one-dimensionally, that bad people can only do bad things, and wanted to go ahead and ignore the reasons why Suu had to trust her, then sure, you would guess that the consort would kill Suu, Sahrah, Suryeon, and all of Rahan if you want to think bad=bad, and only 'bad'. I don't.

I love you JJJ. You write things down so well. I am so happy people try to understand difficult characters.

lol thanks I try. I love this story, so I think its characters deserve some support!

That's rather the comprehensiveness and ability of a reader to predict the turn of events than one diemensional characters.
The carriage was safe passage? Lmao. What's the point of carriage being a possible point of destination if the consort had no plans to deliver Suu in the first place. Suu planned to cross the desert by himself after Nadan disappeared. The dragon wasn't in his plans. Don't mix up the point.
The logistics of the carriage? Is that your best argument? Lmao. You blame the plot because you have no argument to that?

"You would not know for sure the consort would betray Suu." Can you stop saying that? Just because you can't predict a character's plan doesn't mean the others are necessarily dumb as you.
I can't believe I am arguing with a person who thinks the consort was the best choice for Suu in his plan. Worst of all, defending her character (And your best excuse being she would suddenly help Suu because of her not being one dimensional??? Seriously, fam.)
BUT I am tired of explaining why working with the consort WITHOUT a backup plan is a dumb move. Try again when you are able to read a character. Don't give irrelevant reasons like one dimensional characters. Your excuse is not even convincing in the first place. Readers here have the capability to differentiate between the allies and the enemies. If you keep thinking Suu helping the consort is a right choice for him, I don't want to reply to such a naive reader who doesn't know that "villains rid of you once you have finished the mission" in the first place.

"What's the point of carriage being a possible point of destination if the consort had no plans to deliver Suu in the first place. Suu planned to cross the desert by himself after Nadan disappeared. The dragon wasn't in his plans. Don't mix up the point."

This statement is entirely wrong. You asked what the point was. I feel like I've said this 100 times, but Suu had no idea that the consort would betray him. He didn't know that a murderer would be waiting in the wagon. To him, it was his escape route, so he ran to it, thinking it would have everything he needed to leave. Only after Suu saw that the rider was there to kill him did he realize that the consort never had any plans to help him escape in the first place. he killed the driver. saharah showed up.
Suu obviously should not have trusted the consort, sure. with the way things turned out, she was obviously treacherous. but without him having a large inventory of means to escape, he turned to his only option, and if you want to fault him for that, go ahead. i'm not. i understand it that he was at the end of his ropes, there is no one he can trust, he's had good outcomes with exchanges with the consort before, etc.

"what good outcome with the consort?" Nadan who is part of the deal died in fire. And that is what Suu can believe in her? I am starting to believe you're as clueless as Suu here.
"Suu didn't know that the consort would betray him" WELL, HE SHOULD. That's why readers are frustrated about.
"He had no idea there would be a murderer waiting in the carriage."
Why did he? Is he dumb??? Is he mentally retarded?? The carriage is literally the worst place to go right after he betrayed the consort in her face. Don't you know the villain want their hands clean and don't want to leave a trace behind? I bet you didn't even know that the consort is going to kill Suu even if he successfully made the prince drink the tea, right?
The consort is literally the only choice for him to escape...I AM AMAZED. (How could you even miss the most obvious clue here? No, scratch that. I won't bother to explain.)
Seriously, I am fed up with your thinking. I am not going to reply anymore. Let people here know that you didn't have a clue that the consort is going to betray Suu.

the user 'bangbangbang' seems to have blocked me. lol
so here is my latest reply to their last statement:

to bangbangbang:
the problems with your arguments is that you unfortunately muddle the plot so much, you seem to confuse even yourself.
I am glad that you finally understand that Suu had approached the carriage without knowing that someone would be in there to kill him. I really questioned your capacity for problem solving with that one.
I will help you more: SUU DID NOT KNOW THAT THE CONSORT WOULD BETRAY HIM.
Of course we saw that Suu betrayed the consort by not allowing the prince to drink the poisoned cup. However, he DID NOT know that the consort would betray him. In that moment, he believed that he could go back on his word, save the prince, and run like hell to the carriage before the consort could find away to counter him and disrupt his escape route.
As it turns out, she already had. Way before Suu had the chance to betray her, she had already made that move.
Again, Suu had no way of knowing that there would be someone in the carriage waiting for him. neither did the reader. again, there was no foreshadowing.
I feel like I have to repeat myself in a million different ways.
the fact that you did not even understand the concept of the wagon again, gives you zero legitimacy. you did not know someone would be in that wagon. Suu did not know. the reader did not know.

also, it was not cool for user 'bangbangbang' to use retardation as an insult.
i digress.

I am sorry but the way the consort was portrayed in the story was very obvious and it's plain af that she is going to betray the MC.

I feel like the story is dragged out but I am not ready to drop yet.

you must have read this entire argument, or at least some of it, but trust me, you are adding nothing new to a conversation that has already been expanded upon, and I've practically written an essay on this entire topic by now. If you would like to read my response to the very statement you have just made, please refer to my earlier comments.

If you want to start an argument, however, I can gladly go some rounds with you.

You said 'it's plain and obvious that she is going to betray the MC'

No one knew that the consort would place someone to kill Suu within the wagon, you did not, the reader did not, Suu did not, etc.

if you still have something to say, read the entire conversation before attempting to make a complete and solid argument. be prepared with proof. be prepared to back your statements. be prepared with evidence, and then I will happily oblige in arguing with you, as you seem to desire.

You seem to be defensive about your opinions. Maybe you can learn to respect the other people's opinions. I don't know why you keep insisting no one could foresee her plans. It's not like her plan is extraordinary and masterpiece. Sure, some readers can perfectly predict her move.

sure, some people were able to predict it. you're never fully supposed to trust the consort, as Suu does not. I've already stated that. my overarching statement is that Suu, however, believed that she would help. it was a lapse in judgement.
I'm just curious as to what you are attempting to gain in engaging me. The title of this thread is something along the lines of 'the uke is stupid,' etc.
my arguments so far have been in defense of Suu, and I have made plenty of other arguments other than the sole one you are pointing out.
anyways, by going against me, you are going against a barrier that protects the characters from the onslaught of bizarre and wrong accusations the previous commenter made.
my question is why? there must be a solid point you want to make. please make it.

I am not interested in the characters. But the way you keep writing that no one could see her betraying the main character has become annoying. Not everyone is going to fall for her scheme. Besides I don't think the original comment stated that the uke is stupid. I am pretty sure I didn't reply to that.

right. so you've failed in producing anything other than repetition of previous arguments.
please go ahead and read my previous comments.
attempting to start an argument with a leading 'you're being annoying' just doesn't cut it for me

I am glad we can agree on sth.

No pb. ^^

Definitely, I agree with you.

Lol, he was drugged and due to that he was immobilized. How can he protect him when he can't move? lol

Yes, I know he was drugged. But that's expected, they should have a plan B or C. He knew the consequence to be found out. But he touched the wine? And He never even think that there's something wrong why someone outside interrupted them? It was clear that their plan was failed.

If your working in that field, you must be 100 percent alert. ..

Anyway I'm still dropping this, the progress is too slow.... And it's kinda boring.... for me....

Well there you go, with the chapter 40 answers this.