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In my opinion,i think doctor did the right thing to him .i know he(green hair man) has been traumatise by his dead sister jst bcoz of that it doesn't justified his action as a doctor . I don't think you should criticize the old doctor

I think he did the right thing as a doctor, but he failed him as a father. The whole point he should be criticized for it is because the entire manhwa Family relations of being honest and parents failed their children, but they have this man feeling his child but that’s a good thing because we don’t like his child when it should also be portrayed in a negative way. None of this would’ve happened if he raised his child correctly. We don’t know exactly what happened because they are not the focus but the green guy obviously has issues that should’ve been caught and fixed for lack of a better word by the parent. The green haired guy is a little older then FM and the doctor says that he’s been with him for roughly 15 years so that means he must’ve been what 5, 6, or 7 when he adopted him? Like if some more than enough time to step up as a parent and he failed.

He even says that I’ll always be your parent, but how do you expect the relationship to even continue after this point? Basically giving him a service to justify the abandonment of his child. And it’s not like this is ever explored because of what happens to the green haired guy.

There is also the fact that FM’s Father feels guilt, but the old man is not guilty whatsoever. He’s not even sad. “I’m old. I can’t take this anymore. You’re on your own.”

Nocturne deserves it. Idfc what yall think. Like he treated Karina's life so lightly while hypocritically using his sister's situation as a shield. The doctor did right. He didnt even abandon him plus nocturne was cared for by the doctor ever since they were together. He was cared for so much that's why he never understood much how his actions carry irreversible consequences. He's a doctor. He cant just go around treating people's lives so lightly the way he did in the name of his pedophilic feelings. Nocturne deserved every bit of consequence he receives. Fck him.

Also not @ u defending fl's father when his excuses are clumsy even at best. You want the doctor to coddle nocturne when what he did trivialized karina's condition so much. The doctor's not abandoning him and their situation (karina and nocturne's) is not comparable at all. The doctor is teaching nocturne consequence. As he should. Since it is bc of the lack of understanding of consequence that nocturne acted the way he did. Fck him.

Ntm that fckass nocturne steals the cure for karina because he's a PEDOPHILE

Anyways, that pedophile nocturne deserves every bit of hurt and pain he deserves. Fck him and his pedophile thieving ass.

I’m not really defending the Father. I’m just bringing the doctor down to the Father level because yes the situation are comparable now. Is it 100% comparable no, it’s not. But both are being abandoned by their father so yeah. Secondly, he’s not teaching him the consequences of his actions. He’s throwing him away. There’s a difference between “you need to face the consequences. I’m gonna be there with you” and “good luck with your life. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” So call spade a spade and call the bad father bad father. The doctor is a bad father. Fuck him.

I agree that there should be consequences to his action however, one thing I don’t like in this story and I will never like in any of these stories is the unfair consequences to situations that are unequal. Secondly, I don’t even think it’s really his fault because he has unprocessed trauma from his sisters death. The father should’ve stepped up and helped him. He is a fucking doctor, cure the man.

Third of all, I don’t know the ages of the characters I know he’s older than Karina and she’s younger, but I don’t know the ages specifically because it’s been a while since I read the beginning so if he’s a pedophile then oooo but the point of the matter I’m discussing is more about the way we view characters so it’s a lot less about the character himself and more about what he stands for.

There was a previous comment her who had me sympathize with the doctor a bit more but the way he’s written alone using just manwha gives us, it’s fuck that man until his old ass passes

for me personally, i just think it's wrong of him to be the "family doctor" but also ignore everyone else in the family. and when he did observe things that were wrong with karina, he just brushed it off and ignored it. as a doctor, that's just not right. he neglected his actual duties over and over again, to chase after a childhood love.

and yes, perhaps she did need attention, but by being so narrow-mindedly focused on her sister, he looked over other health concerns with karina, whom he also should have paid attention to. and that's just ??? he failed as a doctor on a fundamental level by neglecting the people he should also have cared for??? if he was a doctor just for her sister, that's fine, but he was a FAMILY doctor, which means he should have properly cared for everyone.

personally, i was pleased that his doctor token or whatever was taken from him, because he failed as a doctor, but i don't think he deserves death or should be killed. i think he just needs to properly reflect on his moral code and current practices, and figure out what really matters in his current profession. just like, find himself, you know? and then maybe apologize to karina and properly atone for his lack of care. and then move on and become a better person. but that's just me.

I agree how I think a lot of the issues will be fixed if they realize oh he only cares about one person so let’s make him the private doctor to her because if she’s as sick as they say she is, she should definitely have a private doctor.

I think one of the issues is, we don’t know how be treated the brothers so I don’t wanna say he neglected everything for her, but yeah I agree

I think the part that loses me as I don’t know if he failed as a doctor because he did really help the sister So he didn’t fail as a doctor, but he failed as a person, but removing him in general wouldn’t help the situation because the sister still needs someone to care for her. So I don’t know if you should never go back to medicine, but I think he should’ve been forced to take a break and reevaluate like you said. Because one of the core morals of the story is People should be able to do what they love like with her and painting and the old doctor and needlework, and if he love being a doctor and love helping people isn’t it kind of hypocritical to take that away from him at least permanently?

i think that will take a lot of time. i think he should be reinstated eventually, but i think he just needs to get away from his biases, aka his childhood love and reconsider what he actually wanted to do as a doctor. just, take a break and think about life.

personally, i do think he failed as a doctor because it was his job to pay attention to everyone. what if the dad had some like, early onset heart issues?? it's his job as the family doctor to spot that and treat it before it gets worse, or at least, bring attention to it. or if someone else suddenly gets a fever, etc. and it's just kinda : that he didn't notice how unwell karina was for so long, until she was literally about to die and left, and even then, he kinda just went "huh" and ignored it. like he literally passed by her and was like, "huh she seems kinda off" before just leaving it be. and then never questioned it until way later on when someone else brought it up.

i think if you fail to notice things about the people you're supposed to be looking after, you have failed as a doctor. even if you save one life, if you neglected someone else, you have failed. it's really just the time, when you put that in perspective. he watched karina deteriorate for like, 10~ ish years (assuming she fell in love with him when she was around 8, and then left the home when she was 20), give or take. and never once was like, "let me examine you, because you seem unwell."

for now, i think the sister should get another doctor while he figures himself out. and when the time comes, let him work his way back to his job. fairly, of course.

Somehow, the comments disappeared. I wanna say original person who commented I was having the discussion with I want to say I’m starting to see what you’re talking about because I still think he did something good as a doctor and he technically didn’t the doctor standard of fact that he did ignore them for that long period of time should probably constitute because neglect is abuse. I do think he needs to go off on his own and contemplate about what he really wants his life to be because if this was modern world The first thing he should do is therapy, but it’s just the problem I have with him quitting. This is essentially akin to a death sentence because it’s not like he’s adventurer. He doesn’t have the skills to go out there in the world. And he can’t be a traveling doctor because he just got fired from medicine so by removing the only skill that he has really, it’s insanely cruel.

I will also say the female lead doesn’t have the skills to travel alone, but it’s a little different because she’s the main character for the world act all differently for her

How is it insanely cruel to take away his doctor token (or wtv I'm not sure how the old doctor is going to take that away) from him? So as a working family doctor, his responsibility is to look after the whole family and care for their health. Sure he misses and is guilty abt his dead sister and cared very much for karina's sister, but that doesn't give him reason to neglect karina, for the whole 10+ years no less, and it wasn't that he didn't notice too, he did, but he straight up brushed it off bc he thought karina as less important. Taking away his token just probably means he's going to lose his job, but it's not like he doesn't have savings, and that he's a perfectly healthy adult man capable of learning new skills or working odd jobs to feed himself. And taking away his legibility of being a doctor is absolutely the correct punishment for neglecting his supposed "clients" as the family is the one paying him, and he did not do the job well enough. Besides, it's not like he's being thrown to jail (tho I would definitely have supported that if he was), or that he's exiled anywhere in the wild, he's just losing his job, which is already so mild of a punishment compared to having only months to live because a doctor wasn't doing they're supposed to do and family neglect.

He’s losing his job, which is his primary way of making money. He’s losing where he lives because I’m pretty sure he was a live-in doctor which isn’t uncommon for the time. Assuming he has a good amount of savings what that means he could live in a decent place for a while, but no matter what he was being paid it’s not gonna be enough to sustain him. I said it’s cruel because odds are he’s not gonna get another job not in medicine because his only skills are in medicine. Even if you learned another skill, no one’s gonna take him in because they didn’t start learning skills when they’re young like what he did with medicine. He is essentially losing the people closest to him in a work and social way, because his father or the man who claims to have been parental to him, which I personally disagree with is cutting him loose. Especially since the way they’re making it seem like is he’s never gonna have a chance to earn it back. And now he’s on the verge of losing his mind due to all the simply because it’s retriggering his main trauma. Like I definitely think you should be punished, but I don’t think this is mild by any means nor do I think it’s appropriate punishment for the actions. Because he should lose his title, but temporarily, and his “father” shouldn’t have cut him off but rather helped him

Also looking back, I said he isn’t bad. That doesn’t mean he’s good by any chance just said he’s on par with almost every other guy in this manhwa and it is in fact better than the ML as the ML is still a extremely cruel person who murders people without a bat of an eye. I would go as far to say as the best guy in the entire manhwa is her little brother.

hi it's me, the original person!

yeah, therapy is ideal, but sadly, probably doesn't exist. i think he should be reinstated somewhere else in a "doctor" role without actually being a doctor. let him work at an orphanage for a while, maybe. community service, i think that'd help a lot.

tbh, i don't think the female lead is going anywhere anytime soon. at the rate she's going...i don't think i'd be really possible for her to go on a trip or something. i think, if the end is near, she might go on one final trip, maybe to see the ocean and paint one last thing before she dies. but other than that, i doubt there'll be another really big change in location (in terms of the story) anytime soon. maybe she'll see an actual dragon, but other than those two possible scenes, i can't really see her moving around.

but if you're talking about how karina got to the north(?) in the first place, i think it was because she had a goal in mind. she wasn't wandering around or anything, she had an address and a mental destination of where she wanted to end up. and i think she was stubborn enough to kinda just, push her way through. because this was her BIG break, you know? the one thing she wanted to do on her own before she died, just to see if she could. storytelling-wise, i think that makes sense in the narrative.

i think he might get his token back. i think of it like the phds doctors have, their certificate to practice legally. i don't think he's in the right mindset to go back to working with the family he was with, either, because then he'd be all swamped up with guilt and grief and fear, but i think he just needs redirection. like i said earlier, i think he should go do some community service-level doctor jobs. mild things that don't really require a token- something like an internship-level job. he can still get a decent amount of pay, but he just kinda works himself back out as he does so.

and i think his mentor, the reason why he cut him off makes a lot of sense to me. he told this kid to pay attention to everyone, and yet, this girl who was supposed to have been taken care of, has a disease that is pretty much terminal at her current stage. and it's a bit of a double punch because he too, has the same disease. so it's painful, to see how your mentee, the person you thought you taught well, turns out to be a foolish kid who accidentally neglected someone with the same exact illness you have. imagine having like, somewhat recovered lung cancer and then finding out your student had a patient who also has lung cancer, but never actually noticed so their patient is now at stage four cancer. that's...gotta sting, you know?

i think if i were him, i would be so disappointed that i would just, never want to see him again. because i would be ashamed to think that i thought i raised this doctor correctly, when it turns out he failed on such an extreme level, not just him as a doctor, but myself, as his mentor, who should have taught him properly.

tbh, i think it's hard to judge fictional people with vague standards. it's not that the ml is a guy who goes around murdering people for funsies, but that he is someone in a respected high position who must go out and kill monsters on a semi-weekly(?) basis. that's not really something comparable to real life because that's his job. his job is to take care of his own people. similar to the way kings would kill to protect his land, he has to take care of his land as well. there's not really a modern equivalent that isn't either a dictator, or a conqueror. but i wouldn't say the ml is trying to suppress any particular group of peoples, or unite the entire land under his command.

i don't think he's a bad person at all, the green-haired doctor. i just think he needs some time to kinda think back on his past, reflect, move on, and find another goal in life. find out what matters most to him. as for the ml, i just hopes he copes well after karina dies, because i don't think he has like, anything else really going on for him. maybe find a hobby. as for the brother, i think of him as the most apologetic. he's just...very sorry, but what's done is done. i think he'll be sorry for a very long time. i don't really know what to say, because karina has already moved on and chosen to cut ties with her family, and i want to respect that. but i do hope he finds his own closure too. perhaps he'll be a great advocate for her art, after she passes. i think that would be a good conclusion for me.

i think there's a novel, but i haven't read it, so all of this is just my own wishful thinking, lol.

Honestly the way you break it down makes a lot more sense than what we get. Because now the mentor’s actions make sense. I still think he failed as a mentor and as a father figure but I get it. The green haired guy failed Karina because the mentor failed him.

Him working as a community level doctor would unironically be the best fit for him as he would have so many patients he wouldn’t able to get over attached to one and would probably give him enough free time to sort out his trauma from his sister’s death and the abandonment of his mentor. If the author did go this way it would be a nice parallel to Karina situation as I would imagine he too would cut ties with his mentor after this like how she cuts ties with her father and then he would be able to empathetic to her situation as he went through something similar and would be truly able to apologize.

exactly. and if i were the mentor, i'd never be able to live with myself about that. ugh, nobody is actually happy-happy in this story. TvT because the mentor isn't a bad person either UGH. TwT there's actually really nobody in this story that is hatable, except karina's parents, mostly her dad.

(to the second paragraph) right?? i'm glad you think so too, because it really would help with his character development. i think it'd also be a nice tie ending because he would be able to finally move on from his sister and find his own way in life.

if the author decides to do like, a "memorial-type" ending where karina dies and the ending kinda pans over different characters to see where they kind of end up after she dies, i think it'd be quite bittersweet if he ended up being a doctor that helped kids who felt very alone and have no support, again, paralleling karina and her life of loneliness. good ending, and a very bittersweet conclusion. i think i'd be pretty content if the story ended like that.

it’s fucked

wtf??? is this true?

Is this true wtff she needs her ass beat if thats the case cause y write n draw this shitty shit. Art wasted.

Reading it as in "how bad can the writing keep going? How low will the plot end?"

I don't agree with a lot of what you said. Some points are interesting, but I think you forgot what these characters were originally like. I couldn't care less about Jack, who does he think he is, to want to play the victim by being the asshole he was? Yes, she broke his gun, but it wasn't intentional, and she APOLOGIZED, and soon after thought about buying him a new gun to make up for it. The stalker who was always favored by his father, who neglected Melissa and was also always rude to her, was Jack. I don't think he deserves this victim role.

I get that you dislike that the mls are treated poorly, but have you considered that the whole point of this story is to clap back against mls who are treated favourably only because of their status as mls?
Like the person before me said, the bro was babied since a young age gaining whatever he wanted as the next in line to inheriting the house, using his position in power to stalk the supposed female lead (many other possessive mls come to mind). The first difference between this story and traditional ones is that the female lead legitimately doesn’t like it, she’s scared of him and doesn’t want his affection, yet cannot do anything because of her status. What would traditionally happen is that the villainess would then pick on the fl due to her own lack of power in some sort of dark reflection. This story is a feminist retelling where the villainess actively breaks traditional gender roles by becoming violent physically and mentally towards those who would generally be against her.
When you think about this book in the way the story presents it the supposed male leads are actually the antagonists and villains, this is a classic story of someone without power gaining it to go against fate and fight for what they believe is right(like my hero acidemia). I feel like the reason you disliked this book is because you missed the forest for the trees, equating the lane of ml with the position of ml so of course you feel bad when you didn’t get what you expected. As for nine, I found his personality quite refreshing upon the first read, acting as a more respectful foil to the other male leads, with his “dark side” an appropriate response to the hardship he endured from acting power hirachies, but we all have preferences so I understand if you don’t like him.
TLDR: the male leads are actually villains and antagonists who don’t get a romantic subplot because they’re all legitimately horrible boyfriends. This is a feminist book and the whole point plot is the fl getting back at patriarchal figures who misuse their power so bro got screwed. Nines personality is literally every villain ml from every other reincarnation manhwa ever, it is an acquired taste.

I’ve definitely don’t think Apologizing makes up for it due to the fact it was a very special gun and then even the replacement wasn’t as good as the original. I also felt like she didn’t really care when she apologized because like why would she but that’s a whole other thing.

Like I definitely think he deserves everything she put him through because he was a stalker, but he should be blamed for being the father favorite since the fault lies with the father, not the son. I don’t know if you meant the father neglected, Melissa or he did, but if you’re talking about the son, I don’t really agree due to the fact that she is the older sister. Like a younger brother can’t neglect a older sister.

I don’t think I missed the force for the trees because I definitely got what it was going for and I definitely liked it in concept. The thing I didn’t enjoy was how it kind of didn’t explore consequences despite claiming to do so. I enjoyed the fact that the brother got punished for being a stalker that makes sense to me what I didn’t like however was the fact that that went to have a happy and healthy sibling relationship like he started praising her name and started being a siscon like that doesn’t make sense at all. I’m not saying because she corrected his behavior that he needs to automatically start hating her but it definitely wouldn’t make their relationship better at least for a while and he definitely didn’t like her to begin with so


As far as nine, I just didn’t like how hypocritical they were with him vs the other werewolves. As far as the other werewolves, I’m not really gonna talk about it because I believe it was very weird especially if you look at it in regards to racial politics But I didn’t enjoy the fact that they went into another country told them how to run shit and I made the rulers subservient to her I think that’s weird.

At the end, started to feel like a harem because everyone was saying how Melissa could do no wrong and I know suspension of disbelief, but I was just expecting something a bit more from this then I actually received. I definitely think this would’ve been one of those series that would’ve benefited from not having every male love interest be over heels in love with Melissa.

And even though I do express my displeasure with some aspects of the manwah, I do still think it was good for the most part Like I think the best handled storyline was with the crown prints because he had all the makings of a good prince. He just wasn’t doing it, and I liked how at the end they maintained a professional relationship despite him being in love with her.

No he isn’t the “ONLY” victim.

Not the only victim but the only TRUE victim meaning he was completely innocent and got fucked over the most

Not only him though. We have Carlisle. he is also a TRUE victim. He is innocent too but he was almost killed twice,he doesn’t deserve that. And Edmund is an accomplice to attempted murder of Carlisle now. As much as I sympathize with Edmund, he ain’t the only true victim as u say

The thing Carlisle has that Edmund never did was his parents love which is why I consider Edmund to be more tragic and more of a victim is. Carlisle Will always have his mother’s and father’s and grandfather’s love. Edmund doesn’t.

I will concede that he is a victim because he doesn’t deserve to die he’s just a child but I think Edmund still has him beat due to the tragedy of his situation.