What a way to end the conversation! Sis does not care and that mans face at then end was perfect
I’m in the middle on this one. On one hand yeah it’s rude but not everyone who sees your art is going to be kind or have nice reactions to it. This comment section being a prime example of that. As an artist it’s natural to feel sensitive about your work but that sensitivity will turn into a crutch if you don’t learn how to over come it.
People do not owe you kindness. Being an artist, at least career wise, is not for the feeble minded. It’s okay to cry and break down but if it stops you completely that’s not on them, that’s in you.
ML’s mom, she’s so beautiful I had to put my phone down because my heart started pounding. I want to see her with different hair styles and please let her wear a suit in the future ヾ(☆▽☆) I need to see this! If she ever does I think I’ll faint (≧∀≦)
This feeling I’m getting is similar to how I felt during KS.
I understood Bum was a victim, with the mentality of one. I still felt frustration though, because he wasn’t verbalizing his feelings or any type of logical response to his situation. And it’s clear why he didn’t but it still leaves this area of unsatisfaction for me. I want to see the stepped on character rise up and overcome there situation. Even though I stopped seeing Bum as a victim a decent way through the story I was still steady hoping and waiting for him to finally take back his choice. Unfortunately that never happened, up until the end he was to far gone. (Though I must applaud Koogie for the most uncomfortable feelings she forced me to confront as the story went on)
I’m worried this is what’s going on here. I liked the KS ending. I was immensely happy when I realized both of them had... y know.
But with Nakyum, at least as far as I’ve read is still the victim to me and I don’t feel that he’s done anything to deserve or bring upon what’s happening to him. His only real ‘crime’ is his drawings and there’s nothing even wrong with that. He just caught the eye of an asshole, who yeah we can acknowledge his past experiences. Doesn’t mean I’ll make any excuse for what he’s doing at present day.
Anyway back to my point, there is a certain satisfaction a character gets from being able to say what they’re feeling as well as the reader. (I suppose the satisfaction is mainly for the reader) I know Seungho probably won’t listen or even reflect over the things he’s done to Nakyum. And we’ve read plenty of stories like that.
Is this torture porn at this point? I don’t think it’s up to that, man hasn’t even brought any toys into play.
I don’t know anymore, at this point I either want the plot to move on or for these two to just talk. Nakyum especially. I honestly feel as though nothing Seungho does or says will make him anymore than a r*pist in my mind. I may change my mind, it’s just at this point his ‘tragic backstory’ isn’t enough. Why am I reading this? I was genuinely curious in the beginning but yeah this is shaping into the type of plot line I should probably excuse myself from.
If it is heading towards a similar route as KS I believe I’ll be fine as I never shipped those two characters or hoped for there happy ending. The difference is that I was hoping for Seungho and Nakyum to reach that point. Now I’m stuck with this feeling of ‘is It even going to be worth it?’ And do I want them to be together. Honestly...no. I don’t think I do. This feelings subject to change but I’m not about to trust a BL author to do right by the ‘bottom’ character. So it comes down to a wait and see conclusion I guess.
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Actually Bum gains more confidence especially during season 3, he becomes more assertive and takes initiative, but you have to take into account that he is severely mentally ill (an untreated BPD )and at a certain point of the story he has really no other choice. Also, being a lifelong victim of physical, mental and sexual abuse, he thinks he deserves it and Sangwoo is like the lesser evil, and his only chance to be loved
At least we know what Bum feels and longs for. I can admit that he is very passive especially during season 2, but you know what happens when he is forced to reveal his past, and you can clearly see the marks left by trauma in his body and mind. Can you say the same for Nakyum?
I honestly think Byeonduck deliberately copied Koogi, riding the wave of her success, but she is not as good as a writer to develop a story about abuse and mental illnesses. With the difference Koogi never drew three chapters straight of rape (depicted as hot rough sex) and the power imbalance was at least intriguing. Moreover, the misunderstandings between them happened for good reasons: they were alone, no one helped Sangwoo and Bum to escape their trauma. Bum was really alone for all his life and Sangwoo had to keep a fake persona but no one knew what he went through (this doesn't justify him, but he needed help when his parents died). The misunderstandings between Seungho and Nakyum are plain stupid, there are a lot of people around them giving them advice (mr Kim for example, speaking of which, what was the purpose of the cliffhanger of last week? ) and tbh the situation has becoming forced and unrealistic ( it started with that stupid assassination plot we all knew it would have ended in a failure)
Thank you so much for that extensive reply, I really appreciate the time you put into it. Though I didn’t write it to speak on my view of KS but the overlapping similarities on how I felt about PoTN.
I brought up that specific story for a comparative when it comes to how I was viewing abusive situations in manga. I think you may have missed the point of what I was saying and instead responded to the views I did give about KS, which we’ll just have to agree to disagree. As you pointed out Bum is ill, as they both are, still I do not see them as victims personally. That doesn’t write off the sympathy I felt for there situations and what not but that is how I feel. I’d actually love to talk privately sometime as it does seem like we got on the same train but arrived at different destinations if you will. However I don’t want to get in-depth about KS here.
I’m reluctant to agree with the emotional scarring of Nakyum but as you’ve pointed it out it’s hard to ignore the examples popping in my head. His character as a whole is your typically cry baby bottom who can’t do anything for himself. A harsh opinion to have especially when his character has gone through so much but it’s not like we haven’t read these exact same situations in other manga. The key difference being, those manga are usually less then 10 chapters and we’re nearing the 70’s with PoTN.
Writing skills,hmm I’m not sure. Koogie went for psychological thriller rather than your typical BL plot line where the key to the story is for the characters to fall in love and fuck. Because KS is not a BL it was not told as one and therefore could stand as a story with its own merits. Not riding off of love but rather the desperate situation of Bum and his survial. Of course it still had its moments.
I don’t think the Author is so much riding off of KS but on the BL genre as a whole. The art alone is enough to keep people around to at least see what happens and I do think they’ve done an amazing job of bringing out different emotions in people. Though that’s not saying much. Point being, this story line has been done before. I can see why you’d say they are copying KS, as I’m sure plenty of people have thought it at least once. We often get so many different tellings of the same stories it’s hard to label them as replicas when we don’t have an original.
Nakyum himself doesn’t have anyone, Mr.Kim is put there to appear as a helping hand but the only help he can offer is ‘do as your told’ he’s a reprieve for Nakyum and a friend but he isn’t going to help him out of the situation or even call Seungho out for his wrong doings. Outside of the ‘Master I’m not so sure about that.’ The authors done a fine job of showing how you can be surrounding by people and still be alone in both Nakyum and Seunghos case.
I don’t know why cliffhangers exists, I’ve seen the definition but it still makes no sense to me.
Ah yes, it’s the typically BL moment of conflict = more r*pe. I’m so curious how the author is going to turn this around, or if they are even going to at this point. It’s always interesting when they pull out that tragic backstory, like I knew it was coming. You don’t have the guts to make your character a monster by nature with little to no reason for why they hurt others.
I would have been understanding about the arc if Seungho had come to rescued him or maybe Nakyum somehow turned the tables and stood up to that worthless red head. Seeing now that it was just an excuse for more r*pe, clearly the first several times were not enough for this author.
You can DM me when you want, we can also talk about your last comment since I have no time to properly reply how I would like now.
I just want to say a thing tho: I think Kim genuinely cares for Nakyum and Seungho and it's too forced to me they feel alone despite his help, but i guess it makes sense for SH since he is a lord and Kim a servant so he can't see him as a clear father figure. But still, Kim (and the doctor) tried to be the voice of reason and for plot convenience Seungho didn't want to listen, and forbade Kim to help Nakyum
For the cliffhanger I meant the one about Kim in the last episode, and it didn't serve any purpose :/
Sure thing, I’ll do that now. I would agree he cares but I don’t think there’s anything he can do for them outside of emotional care which won’t happen when Seungho refuses to hear anything and Nakyums still being mistreated.
I really wish they weren’t sisters, my heart is confused.
can i join the confused heart team club ? ┗( T﹏T )┛
Her body is covered in scars, her mom was beating her all over not only on the back of her legs. I think the reason her room is so pink and she is always done up to the max is to surround herself with beautiful things. And that helps cover up her own ‘ugliness ‘ if you will.
They just slid the homophobic line in like we not gonna notice that (●￣(ｴ)￣●) But! Happy to say it’s most likely a mistake as I’m reading the novel and there’s rumors he’s gay. So I think they meant to write homosexual. Unless...it’s the novel that’s wrong in which case I hope there a second ml.
Hi, can i know where u read the novel? Is it translated?
Well it will be more logical for it to be that he is gay cuz there are many homophobic during that time of period (like back in the days). And for him to be gay will be more of a rumor than being homophobic so u can rest assure and keep simping (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Ohhh that makes sense! I was like, who would care if he's homophobic when its this time period? Doesn't make a lot of sense, but if it's a translation error then I can see how women would think he's gay if he isn't interested in them.
Could you link the novel?
Jeanette is a character who was sheltered throughout her childhood as the adults in her life kept her secret. They did not want her connection to the royal family to come out that could lead to difficulties in their plans for her. Her idea of family has been warped to the point she believes that no matter what the circumstances are, her ‘real’ family will love her once they know the truth of her birth. Jeanette is ignorant to the fact that the truth she was given is a scheme thought up by Roger (Ijekiels Father) and Rosalia (Jeanettes aunt).
Her mother, Penelope allowed her father Anastacius to perform an experiment with black magic on her to conceive a child that could match Claude in power. Penelope dies wishing for Jeanette to grant her dream of becoming empress. This plan fails however, as Jeanette is unable to use any abilities, outside of the overwhelming need for love she feels. Which is so strong by the way that it manifested into a type of power, it’s just not one she can actively or defensively use.
She is however born with jewel eyes.
Jewel eyes can only be born to those of the imperial bloodline and there has been no evidence that they can be faked up to this point. The closest to information we have is the character named Aeternitas, who was a King from a couple hundred years ago whose jewel eyes were duller, but he was still of the royal lineage.
At this time we do not know how exactly Jeanette was raised outside of the obvious manipulation. We can not say for sure whether she has attempted to investigate her birth or not. Still she knows for a fact she is of royal descent because of her eyes. The most she could find out, if she had any reason to doubt the words of her trusted Aunt, would have to do with the Anastacius. This would pertain to his life and death, though I wonder how much information she would be able to gather as he is of the imperial family. Currently she does not have someone in her life who is willing to share memories or help her learn of her birth mother, so I don’t know how she would gather this.
Eventually Jeanette meets Anastacius who is a guest in her adoptive guardians’ home. He is careful to only show her kindness as she will be a necessary pawn in his plans. He gains her trust quickly as Jeanette is someone who has little reason to be suspicious of others. She’s been raised closed off and compared to Roger, who she has said before she feels distant from, he is someone who allows for her to express her wants without judgement. Its also important to note Jeanette and Anastacius have met multiple times at this point and they live in the same house. There relationship is at the point where Anastacius also feels affected by his daughter even though he was not there for her growing up.
As a child you may have heard, ‘if you kiss someone on the mouth you will get pregnant’. This is a lie often told by guardians to scare/prevent children from trying to do things they don’t find appropriate for that age.
It’s not your fault for being unaware of the truth or even believing it. As a child you are impressionable and easily deceived. The adult in your life as far as you are concerned at that point in time means no harm to you. So why would you suspect them of ill intents? Better yet why would you feel the need to do research when in your own innocent ways trust this person. While I can’t speak for everyone, I don’t know any 14 year old who has down background checks on there guardians. (This is outside of abusive households or school projects)
When a child is forced by there guardian to do something that we know is wrong, the act of blame is put on the adult. Not the child. Nor do we expect for the child to correct the actions of the adult.
Jeanette is currently 14 years old. Easily influenced by whatever emotions comes through her, and I do believe we have or are approaching jealously. Which was something Anastacius himself had to deal with. Those negative thoughts eventually lead him to hurting his own brother, when really his own lack of self-loved stemmed from his mother.
But okay you still blame Jeanette for everything that happens while carrying this immense hate for her. Let’s look at Athy then. Not our Athy but the Athy of the first timeline.
She meets Claude at the age of 9 in the original novel and recognizes him as her father. But he does not feel anything for her as his emotions at this time have been completely locked away. Athy who is now aware of her father’s existence tries to become closer to him, but Claude is closed off from her. She continuously pushes herself to try and prove she’s worthy to be her daughter. Desperately trying to gain his love but is unable to do so. Despite the neglect from her father, when Jeanette comes into the home Athy treats her with kindness and loves her like a sister. She feels jealous watching Jeanette gain her father’s approval but does not blame Jeanette. She is aware that its her father who refuses to accept.
Is this Athys fault?
Does Athy sound naïve to you for clinging to someone who doesn’t love her?
Are you blaming Athy for being unloved by her father?
Maybe you expect Athy to double check whether Claude is her birth father seeing as he doesn’t act like it?
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You are entitled to your feelings, these are mine. (￣ε(#￣)Σ
YES! This is what I have been saying since Jennette's character was introduced in the WEBTOON. All the hate she receives is really beyond me
Yep, and the four people who are actually to blame for all of this (Roger, Rosalia, Penelope, Anastacius) never seem to be brought up. Unless of course its about how hot Anastacius is.
Yes, yes and yes, it's always like omg how hot anastacius is I can't hate him and then I fu... hate Jennette she is so naive to be used by these people ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I seen someone say why isn’t she smart like Athy, not those exact words but the same meaning, completely ignorant to the fact Jeanette’s 14 and Athy, love her, but she’s been reincarnated and is literally an adult. Athy was born with spoilers. Σ( ￣□￣||)
I know right! I'm so glad there are people who think the same way as me cuz I would get so frustrated every time I read the comments
Same! There’s a few of us, we just keep quiet lol
Someone gets cursed/poisoned and they need the cure right now or they die.
Any other media: You’ll have to go the farthest lands, across the deepest seas, and to the highest part of a mountains peak. Only there will you find what you seek.
Yaoi: It’s his dick.