n1 Dohyeok connoisseur's Topics (143)

girl, go ahead

Go ahead n do it ..

real idk why not focus on dohyeok's story instead since suha and jiwoon's two fans ain't bringing anything

where can u read the raws?

The main couple got their happy ending, the author should focus on others atp

FOR REAL. I WANT SIWOO'S STORY RIGHT NOW.

so real

I don’t care for the rape as much because it’s so normalized in BL, I’ve seen many fandoms for rapist MLs like Jinx Jaekyung, POTN, etc, it’s the personalities that get to me.

And yeah, I’m not too surprised. It’s usually women that fetishize rape or add graphic details of it, it’s directed towards woman audience for a reason.

I mean it's not surprising. It's Korean author. They have a huuuuuge problem with abuse(in any shape or form), misogyny and patriarchy. So for them(will it be regular Koreans or authors) to be expose to it on everyday basis become normality. They become insensitive to it. Plus it's a money grab as well. All the successful manhwas have abuse and rape. Sooo...

Still not right but yeah that’s an explanation as to why these are commonly made with rape trope.

????? No one is questioning whether it is right or wrong...

Yes there are comments.

Take those comments with a grain of salt.... it's comments to fictional characters and not real victims of abuse.

Any form of rape is wrong be it fiction or reality, is what I’m trying to say. There are comments about victims like these as well. It’s more ridiculous when someone blames one for raping and then proceeds to defend the other rapist.

You said there’s no one questioning if it’s right or wrong, my only answer is that, yes there are people questioning it as if it’s a debate.

That's a beauty and ugliness of humanity... like I said prior no one is questioning that rape/abuse and etc is a wrong thing... the difference is other people can separate fiction from reality, and won't be butt hurt if they proceed to defend fictional character... real life moral compass don't work with fictional characters and it's OK. What's won't work in reality(and shouldn't sometimes) will work in imaginary world lol plus I will add from my point of view- people allowed to have different options from others. That's a beauty and ugliness of humanity

I think you are taking this waaaaay too serious...

No, I’m talking about hypocrisy mainly. Does it make sense to speak of morals if that person is going to defend a rapist and then hate on another rapist for being a rapist?

And this is my view, we all have different opinion. But even if it is fiction, people being okay with rape is not. I can separate fiction and reality if that’s what you’re getting at, people are allowed to criticize and review and still dislike rape. It doesn’t mean we can’t separate reality and fiction.

The story shows reality and just because it is fiction, does not mean that rape is fine. Even the characters show they aren’t okay with it, and that it is traumatizing. Real life moral compass is within the story, it’s part of reality.

Rape works in reality too, it’s just not accepted. Same for fiction, it’s not accepted here too. The ones I don’t care as much about so the one shot or just purely porn rape.

For commenting or is there another reason?

It is a beauty and ugliness of humanity, I never denied that. My point is, regardless of fiction or not, rape isn’t something to be lenient with. I don’t have an issue with people defending rapist as much as you think because they explained well why they defend them, it’s when they defend one rapist and then hate on another rapist.

I hate hypocrisy and double standards a lot, that’s all.

But you can't separate fiction from reality. You are still up to debate with people who is defending rape... they have preferences and likeness in character and they want to "support " no matter what ?! They allowed to have it... no one is obligated to follow your blueprintand only yours...

Separating fiction from reality is when you know the fiction isn’t a true story in the reality, it’s a story that’s been written and illustrated by another human being. BUT the elements in there are reality as much as some wanna deny.

People debating and defending rape can still separate fiction and reality. It does not mean they believe the fiction is a same as reality. I think you’re confusing yourself.

I’ve been saying that person is a hypocrite for defending a rapist while hating on ANOTHER rapist. Which clearly hasn’t gotten to your head, you keep talking about fiction and reality.

I honestly don’t care as much about who’s a rapist or not. It just bothers me when people defend a rapist and then hate on another rapist. Why hate on someone who’s the same kind of rapist? They should defend both for being rapist then! I don’t have an issue. But it is an issue when they hate on Person A for being a rapist, but then love Person B who’s their favorite but Person B is also a rapist.

Tell me this. Are people obligated to separate fiction from reality when the fiction has reality? It’s not some sort of escapism if you’re reading a story that shows trauma and mental health, spreading awareness and people are free to comment whatever. It’s the hypocrisy that bothers me more than rape.

Why hate on Dohyeok if they’re gonna defend another character who’s a rapist? Is my point. I’m not hating because they are rapists. I hate rapists in reality but not much in fiction.

I think we are going in circles... like I'm keep saying no one is questioning whether rape/abuse is wrong or right...
This is story is showing "part" of reality and the rest is would've/should've/could've of the story.

Unfortunately you do... you are saying why people don't think the same way as you...

Rape is part of reality but is this story wit the rape reality? No.

I never said: Why don’t people think the same as me?
I’m asking people to at least not be hypocritical, that does not equate to me being unable to separate fiction and reality. What’s happening in this fiction can happen in reality, but is the story with said non con real? NO.

Can we judge fiction? Of course. We have that right, like you, nobody can tell readers to stop being serious or writing reviews. What we don't have the right to do is harass or bully the authors, but we can absolutely voice our thoughts about the content presented.

People not obligated to think the same way as you. If they want to separate let them be, if not - let them be lol. But arguing and trying to convince others to think/behave/like/agree with your point/morals/views is hypocrisy

You aren't asking, you are demanding! And if people disagree with your opinion you are getting in defensive mode.

Right, people aren’t obligated to think the way others want. If they want to separate, sure, which I’m not blaming them for. If not, let them be, which you are keep going on about despite saying that?

I am not convincing anyone to think the same. I think you’re pulling it out of your head, it is not hypocrisy to ask others to be not hypocritical.

I don’t think you get my point no matter how much I state it:

1. I don’t care too much if people defend rape, because it’s fiction.

2. I’m saying that people who defend rapists should defend all rapists, it’s fiction, no? So how come they are being hypocritical?

3. You’re the one who keeps telling me to stop arguing and let it be. We are readers, and you do not have the right to tell others what to do or can’t do. Am I stopping anyone? No. I’m simply calling out the double standards. Both characters are rapists, but only one of them is okay.

Me pointing out the hypocrisy and their double standards is too demanding? We are readers, people are free to say anything. Why do you think there are book reviews, readers commenting and judging the story as well as other readers?

First, you told me I’m hating on those who defend rapists. No. I don’t even care about that as much, and then you bring in about fiction and reality, as if I can’t separate them. Yes, I can, it isn’t a hard thing especially when you’ve been so desensitized to it.

Then you tell me I should let people be even do they can’t separate fiction and reality. So why’re you telling me I can’t separate fiction and reality as if I’m wrong for that? Is that an issue for you?

Readers are free to review and express their thoughts without being told by someone to don’t think deeply or being told they cant separate reality from fiction, and then you say just let those people be. I’m not understanding.

“it's comments to fictional characters and not real victims of abuse.”

People are free to still find comfort in stories and judge the characters without being told how they can’t separate fiction from reality. They can see victims in the characters, even if it’s fiction. It’s another thing if people act on what they see from fiction, it’s not the creator’s fault.

1. You do care, because you are keep going and going... and now we have 2 pages of text
2. People have preference and likes in character(s) and they can defend them as much as they want.
3. I don't tell you to stop at all. I'm just replying to you and your thoughts and sharing my view

3. I didn't finish... my point and my thoughts

1. So I can’t comment but you’re allowed to? Hypocrisy.

2. I never really had an issue with who they defend. This isn’t even a matter of reality vs fiction, it’s just double standards. People are free to judge others, you can’t stop them.

3. You clearly are acting as if I’m wrong for judging others based off their contradictory and hypocritical thoughts of the character. The whole comment section is being judge mental, that’s part of being a human being. I’m sharing my view as well.

Suddenly people can’t judge others and call out any hypocrisy, you are disliking me judging others. 2 pages of text is nothing.

1.You are talking everything way to serious(I'm repeating myself) I never said "you are hating", I didn't even use the word hate -anywhere.
2. You are taking my comments personally. I use abstract approach to comments and not direct. Compare to you. I don't have issues with you separate fiction and really- it's your right, I can't take it from you
3. No one is questioning reviewing or expressing thoughts. It doesn't mean arguing or convincing to your point of view. That's not the same thing.

1. Now you’re demanding me to be unserious? Why does it matter if someone is serious? I happen to be a serious person, I’m sorry for that?

2. You clearly have an issue with people who aren’t able to separate fiction and reality. Cause then why would you tell me I can’t separate it as if it’s bad.

3. What the heck are you saying? The whole comment section is people expressing their thoughts, replying to others, including their moral compass.

And if you’re going to micromanage, at least stick to it and don’t demand others to be unserious.

You saying you don't have an issue but then contradicting to yourself lol if you don't have issues you would have a need to judge. Judging is choosing one side or another. Which is contradicting with "I never really had an issue.."

For the third time... you are taking it personally lol

I meant I don’t have an issue with those who are defending rapists as much as you think, it’s more of hypocrisy that sets me. At least don’t be hypocritical.

Are you still counting? It’s not that serious like you tell yourself.

Where are you getting this?! Hate/demand? I don't even use those words but you are twisting my words to feed your narrative and taking it personally. Gosh lol assuming things on my behalf and clear knowing with what I have or not have issues. Again... expressing not equal to forcing/arguing with others to think the same way as you

1. You’re judging me for judging others.
2. I’m not forcing anyone.

I do because you are taking it personally and starting to get snorky with me. Small and personal attacks

You say I’m being too serious, and that I’m taking it personally and that is because I’m judging you for judging others and. I took the word “demanding” and placed it against you, because you’re the one who called me demanding.

Unlike you, I don’t have an issue when talking with someone despite arguments, and I don’t tell them “it’s not that deep”, it’s an insensitive comment, nor do I say “you’re being too serious.”

So what if someone is serious? That’s just who they are. Why do you care so much is the question..

1.I just said other people have different thoughts than you and this triggered you(i assume), and you went on whole rant with me 2.You do forcing because you still trying convince your patern of thoughts on me...

1. It wasn’t the “other people have different thoughts”. I clearly stated that the issue I have is with huge hypocrisy. You just proved you have an issue with me judging others, oh I’m so wrong for discussing with someone else about their hypocrisy! First you tell me it’s not wrong to defend rapists, and I told you okay yes that’s not really my issue though as much as you think.

2. Whole rant with you. That is how you see it.

3. I’m not forcing any pattern of thoughts with you. I haven’t even shared my thoughts of the story. I’m sorry you see it that way.

You are taking it too personal and now you are comparing me with yourself... "unlike you,..."
You are going in circles and circles about YOU. The whole conversation is about YOU( in any shape or form), where it never was to begin with. It was abstract conversation in the beginning where take others options with grain of salt but then as soon as conversation didn't went to your negative(point of view), you got triggered and started to spiral why I should think/feel/view same as you. And if I didn't back down you started to attack and acuse me personally. Even do assumptions on my behalf and use words that I never used

As if you didn’t say “compare to you”. If you have an issue with me saying “unlike you”, why can you say that?

Abstract conversation

Now you have issue lol but you were telling me that you didn't?!
I didn't know that I was in competition "should I prove you wrong" - did you assumed this on my behalf again and took it(conversation) personally?! Mmm interesting
You have no interest in sharing your thoughts on a story, you just want to share YOUR and only your disagreement. Why?! Because the first comment I left under, you were started talking about other people comments. Where I just provided information about authors korean background

I literally told you I have an issue with hypocritical people. And I just added onto the information you gave, stating that yeah it’s not right (in my opinion) but that what you said is a right explanation, I agreed with you and then you got passive aggressive.

Personal snorky attacks again lol "why can you say that..." - it's a form of demanding and trying to convince me, to think the same as you. As "why don't you agreeing with me"... so we are getting back to forcing, demanding other people to think/view/feel/like and etc to your moral compass

But it’s true, why can you judge others but I cannot? You can comment but I cannot. You say I care too much but you aren’t? I’m sorry but it is the truth.

I even asked you why is it wrong if someone is being serious about it? I never said, why don’t you agree?

I agreed with you by saying that no one is questioning whether rape/abuse is the right or wrong thing... but then you went on a rant

Where are you getting that?! For real, why are you assuming that I can judge or you aren't. Where I said you can't comment?! Like wtf again assuming on my behalf?! The way you are framing it - you are taking the whole conversation personal attack on you.

You’re acting like I’m the only one playing into this “rant” you keep bringing up.

You said: “?????? no one is questioning whether rape is right or wrong”

Which is false and I told you that there are people questioning that. The comment section is literally the evidence. That’s all I said.

It’s called implying. You get upset at me for commenting, saying that “oh look you care, you’re commenting”. Look on page 2 or early 3.

Why are you upset because I’m replying? That doesn’t mean I can’t care.

This is your comment:
“1. You do care, because you are keep going and going... and now we have 2 pages of text
2. People have preference and likes in character(s) and they can defend them as much as they want.
3. I don't tell you to stop at all. I'm just replying to you and your thoughts and sharing my view.”

You complain about me replying back and how long the text is getting. I don’t see the issue even if I do.

You can comment as much as you like. But please know the difference between comments and forcing only your opinion.

Continuing to accuse me of forcing my opinion. Did it say you have to think like me? Yikes. It’s an opinion, if you feel forced by my opinion, that’s a you problem.

You shared your views with me, did I say you’re forcing it on me? No.

You aren't just replying back... you are making statements on my behalf!!! Know the difference. You are keep bringing this conversation about YOU! where to begin with, it's was about author and Korean background. Now for some reason "I don't allow you to comment" you need to learn how to be natural in conversation...

YOU asked me what comment you made. And I simply replied back with what you said. It’s on page 2 I believe.

I didn’t say you don’t allow me to comment, I said you act as if me commenting is wrong. There’s a difference sir/maam/whoever.

To begin with, I replied to you normally and you’re the one who started it off with “I think you are taking this waaaaay too serious...”. It’s an insensitive reply to be honest, not sure why felt the need to say that.

I only told you that I replied simply, and then you said that ^.

If you can’t handle the conversation, don’t reply as you say. You care too much (as you told me).

“Where are you getting that?!” Was your question. And I have simply responded back to it, and you get defensive and say when did I say you can’t comment.

I didn’t say you said that I can’t comment, but you talk and point out how I’m texting back and how much I care as if that’s wrong. So you had an issue with me replying back.

And I didn’t make statements on your behalf. Go back and look, that’s your own statement I copied and pasted here:

Here’s the link to your own message;
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16457148/?cid=16461294#respond

You do force!!! You didn't let it go my statement and my agreement "no one is questioning whether rape....". One thing is - " this is my point of view/statement about subject" and other call people names

So you’re judging me for judging others, is that right?
And no I don’t force, I don’t go to you and drag you to do something.

You’ll complain about there being 4 pages of text now. So I’ll close the conversation for you and me. Have a nice day, and cheer up, @Mangalover1

HRAseen you such a child lol.... just the last replay " You are contradicting to your self. You are taking personal the whole conversation. You are trying to bring conversation to be about you and only you. That's what I was saying and still saying you are to serious(not a serious of a person) but as thinking I'm attacking you on personal level... where conversation was abstract but you got personally attached to my abstract comment and started embodying it on yourself, as I was talking to you directly"

Omfg get a room you two

I wish lol but hraensn blocked me ╮(￣▽￣)╭ haha

I blocked that whoever.

I was tryna scroll down to comment bro wtf are yall yapping abt summarise cuz dawg

Idk man I got confused halfway through too. I was just answering the question and mango got heated. And then I got heated too because I didn’t know what to say.

My bad

Hahah sorry man, but the child can't take other people opinions... instead of being adult, it rather to block opponent like bitch.

Dwdw appreciate yall
Is like you guys are lowkey agreeing with each other but not really?? Lmao

Kinda off topic but Imo these characters in manhwas with assaults scenes are created solely for the people who are into that kinda shit which aint a good representation for victims bc its a fetish content and i do judge those people who actually enjoy them, its sad but nobody can control what they read

After all, the money is going to the author’s pocket as long as we still give them attention

I mean obviously, so many new age manhas where is main focus on abuse! The authors are making a bank! And the readers are emotionally involved in it too. By consuming/complaining/supporting.
P.S. did you really read all our bullshit?! Lol bless your heart

Unlike someone they can’t talk without accusing others or cursing like an adult shouldn’t be. I only blocked them cause they couldn’t stop yapping and not could I. I saved you the trouble with my block.

I don’t care really about that rape stuff as much, but I just have issue with hypocrite who defend one rapist and then hate on another rapist because they’re a rapist. Make it make sense if they’re gonna be moral police.

I enjoy rape, not gonna lie, mostly those pure porn smut type of shit. Not that I’m okay with it in real life, but this is fiction and what I like in fiction isn’t me being okay with reality version.

And we are on an illegal website soo yeah I can’t talk.

Dude sorry to use you! But unfortunately I can't directly replay to that idiot because person still can't over that other people have different options. But instead of accepting it, it would rather block option for expressing it. Which was the whole point of my conversation with this bitch(I wouldn't go a call you names until you are started acting like one). So now you involved in it. Sorry again. I wish I had a conversation with other member but he/sge/whatever is big child

Share me the raws please

https://newtoki343.com/webtoon/36303317/%EC%9C%A0%EC%9B%90%EB%B6%88%EB%B3%80?page=2&toon=BL%2FGL

Thankyou