Just recently I learned the term twink, "having little or no body or facial hair, a slim to average build, or appearing to be younger than their chronological age" (wikipedia),
and so my point isn't the uke just a twink? And the seme is wolf.
There is ton of terms for gay men, open your eyes, people come in different shapes and sizes. And if that doesn't make you happy, it's fiction, get over it.
https://pairedlife.com/dating/Gay-Men-Are-you-a-Jock-Otter-Bear-or-Wolf
Women also can have very different figures and features... But we tend to think in stereotypes
I only know about twinks and bear types before. I learned that there are more after watching an episode of The Real O'Neals.
I've been wanting to get this out, but I like the servant, I honestly feel he had feelings for the Madam of the house, but sadly, she wasn't in her right state of mind. She used him as a replacement for her husband, and spoke to him as if she were speaking to her husband. And he threw the madam off her pace once when he kissed, and ever since then he loved to the look on her face, and that is what he aims for with Ikuro, he's trying to recreate the image of the madam, that is why when he kissed Ikuro for the first time, he mentions how Ikuro wasn't exactly the same.
I really like their relationship and hopefully both find some closure to one another, and when Ikuro was college his classmate didn't stand a chance to hook up with. The classmate even mentions that was he completely rejected. The servant made sure the Ikuro would belong to him and not to anyone else, I believe he won't let someone else take his love again.
I have to remind myself it's fiction, and I knew she was gonna pull out the pictures, she should've been honest that time. It's not fair, unlike her husband, Azu stopped herself and now they're going to turn against her. I'm still hoping Azu's friend is gonna settle the score. Come on bestie save the day.
Everybody wanna kill that bitch ^^
Hahahahaha...... she should lose some limbs.... I enjoyed the look on her face when she knew she had fucked up.
How come people still defend her. Is she really worth it?
All the women in this series are BATSHIT CRAZY, goodness gracious, and most of the readers are just spewing hate for either girl. And I honestly think none of these girls deserve to be defended.
When you look at his ex doesn't look like one of the guys from Naoto group of friends. Plus there's a good look at his face in the spin-off ( Sayonara... ). Cause let's be honest all the friends are going to end up being gay, :)
I'm hoping it was the ex-fiance!!!
hoping the same! she wasn't at the party, but now?! such a bad momemt
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Seriously, it could still add drama without the child innocence being thrown off course.
Cause I THINK the ex-fiance has some lingering feelings for him.
I'm not sure exactly what the author is going through to feel sad, but to be honest this story is not as twisted as other yaoi situation or actually manga in general. And it truly saddens me that she has to feel sad and apologies. Ogawa-sensei should be allowed to do her story as she wants and not be completely guided by the fans.
Maybe it's time we considered the age of the readers of Caste Heaven, sometimes these topic are not for a younger audience, and they don't understand that the story has an underling topic to it, and are quick to judge, people must take things with a grain of salt.
becuase there are some dumb asses that hate on her story because ts not about the first couple or that her story is so messed up or someshit its not just here where people are reading this illegaly saying that crap its the people that are in japan legally reading it and giving their opinion about it to her
I honestly can't get the uke being prostitute, he was a whore!!!!! The guy got sloppy seconds x 100, that's fucking disgusting, he ate where others would shit. And the worst part was the uke had the nerve to say the seme was his first love, like why would you prostitute youself if it was easier to confess. And you guys give the artist shit for coming on the painting, it's like ignoring the elephant in the room. I keep coming back to this story to see if the uke grows on me but he doesn't, he's unlikeable. Also, being raped should have been another rrason to stay away from that business, some people are forced into such an industry and he did it of free will, it's just terrible. I wanna enjoy the sex scenes but can't get passed the uke's past.
Shit so sorry it's my first time replying to a comment so I actually got the annoying button as a result. I feel u, the uke is disgusting asf, he doesnt need to whore himself out to everyone. He should've have acted as the clichéd bad boy that acts bad/whore and had his 1st sex with the uke. I'd be fine with that too actually. But liking someone n whoring himself to others just becoz he can't confess is disgusting asf.I dint like the uke at all
That's not necessarily ho prostitution works. To many people its a job like any other. It's the same with porn stars btw. They may have sex for a living, but they do what they love and they do it the best they can. And the uke here is being damn professional about it too. PLUS even though he clearly liked the job, he stopped doing it the moment he had a lover. because he didn't want to be unfaithful.
We still don't kno why the Uke became a prostitute to begin with, but the rape may actually have been part of what nodded him in that direction. Through rape the idea that love and sex must go hand in hand is shattered. Plus, it makes sense that when he has been forced to have sex against his will, it would be quite a power trip to have people want him so bad that they ould beg for it (which we do see them do) and even pay for it. It turns the tables, and he is no longer a victim.
Sounds like a personal problem. How old are you? Obviously still green behind the ears and/or you have major insecurity issues. Get over it. People have sex. People sleep around. People even enjoy sleeping around and that in no way makes them dirty or disgusting. Your judgmental mindset on the other hand...is absolutely disgusting.
you, I like you
I wish there was a like button for replies cuz I definitely agree with u
Keep it coming, I really wanna see your comments, it's actually a beautiful thing to see people talk about their opinions and, it isn't a personal problem, and far from being insecure it's more of a mindset, I'm allowed to think the way I do that sex should be special, and that I do not feel comfortable with prostituion or casual sex, and my age shouldn't matter, but if you care to know I'm 22, and if you don't agree with me then it's okay, and I am not even upset I actually like your comment because I'm glad to see others can't get pass the main character's past. I'm above fighting with you or anyone. I believe the comment section is a place for discussion and so I'm doing that. Think what you will, but the comment section is open to express yourself.
*can or can't get pass the uke's past
I understand where you are coming from, I am a sucker for cliché stories were nobody sleeps around and everything is all jolly. personally I don't completely understand why he would become a prostitute, if anything I would have expected him to be scared of intercourse after being raped. In my opinion I don't think people should have sex without love, and I believe it is a special thing to shared between two people with a strong bond, but even if I see were you are coming from I think saying that the uke is "disgusting" is a bit harsh. it is understandable that you don't like that he just slept around because he was too scared to confess, I don't like it all that much either, but I think we should cut him some slack. if I were a male and was in love with my best friend I sure as hell wouldn't have the courage to tell him either, but I also wouldn't decide to be a prostitute, but who knows what we would do if we were really in his situation? but because he chose a line of work where he could physically satisfy himself and other making money all the while shouldn't make him disgusting it just goes to show that some of us just have different standards of when sex is appropriate and when it is not. I am just glad that they ended up togeather and that he is now in a monogamous relationship with his seme.
sorry if this makes no sense....im too lazy to read back through it ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Agree with you, Isa-chan. For me, this kind of yaoi become a turn off for me and if possible, I'd like to avoid them. I like complicated and dark stories, but interesting stories, that can bring light and hope or surprise to me even if the characters are anti heroes nor perverts who evolute in he darkest background. Maybe because I grew up reading not only porny yaoi, but shonen and seinen mangas with meaningful adventure, quest, struggles of the heroes and the great ending and reward of the just and the brave... strong convictions..., I'm getting more and more fed-up to find such nonsense or meaningless dirtiness in yaoi...
This kind of stories tire me to the core and get me depressed, questions me if I did well to fall in this universe. I don't like some of the new authors, their stories full of twisted and too licht characters or fucked up minds, the porn often served without any other justifications than"eat harcore at any (cheap) price". I think that the world's already enough ugly and lack of good virtues like this, if I were to find some dirty shit I'd like at least to know the reasons. I'd like to believe that the slutty uke can give other good virtues aside his ass, but most of the tome, it's disappointing.
"Well, it's just plain porn..." and sad btw.
thaaaaaank you!
can't handle all the hate in the comments
hats off to the part about not knowing why the uke became a sex worker (I personally prefer this term over prostitute and whore, but to each their own) he had his (yet unknown) reasons, but it's not necessarily because he couldn't confess or specifically because he was raped >_> very curious how anyone drew that conclusion from the manga
just because he was trying to learn about gay sex doesn't mean he deserved to be raped. he was a high school student; hs students can get off with murder b/c they're juveniles, so why are people judging him harshly when he's the victim in the situation?
also, I wish people would remember that the sex industry is very real and present; where there is demand, there is supply--where there is no demand, there is no supply
so why not think a moment about the uke's customers? they're the other side of the sex business, no?
some are forced into sex slavery, but for many it's also a professional job, and I think we should respect that
and let's face it: people have one night stands all the time--does that make all of them "whores" (male, female, or anything in between) too?
Exactly. It's true that there are many sex workers ho have been forced in to it, but that clearly isn't the case here. The Uke clearly loved his job, he had good coworkers and boss in fact i'fd say it as a great ork environment. Even his costumers were all nice.
I don't see why his profession should be a thing you 'need to get over' but to each their own. Personally I respect the people who have chosen to work in the sex industry as ell as the porn industry. it's a tough job, the demands on ho you keep your body are as strict as a models if not even stricter. You can't photoshop a prostitute. i's also a job here you know you'll be shunned by society, a job you won't necessarily be able to tell people about. But still they choose to do this work (again, focusing on the ones who want to) because they simply like the job. And if the Uke felt like quitting a job that he clearly liked so much for his boyfriend, if anything I think thats a pretty clear testimony to how much he loves him.
Got to say, i really like his relationship with his colleagues.
It's true, people have one night stands all the time, the difference is that these guys are pros. To quote a wise man "If you're good at something, never do it for free"
totally feel you on the uke's relationships w/ his colleagues; his boss seems like a nice man
the last quote is on point ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
If you care to carrying on this discussion I started another topic, I see a lot of valid points, this is good.