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that was before they actually liked each other, so u could take it as he did that before they started dating for real, that was cheating ON PAPER but not emotionally

lol so sleeping with multiple women is fine just because he's "merely" engaged with Ines on paper? so cheating is justified if it's cheating ON PAPER bffr, ik it's only fictional but sleeping with a lot of women when u could get stds when ur abt to get married is crazy . I love the character development of ML but justifying cheating is crazy lol.

Wasn't this debunked as rumors only? That its mostly a girls talk? Or i forgor, need to reread this again ngl

It was not rumors sadly , even the ML admitted on losing his virginity to a rando for being upset when Ines got sick and kind of ignored him. His infidelity was mentioned a few times in the story even from the start

The rumors were indeed exaggerated and a lot of what Ines believed about him were false. However, he did sleep with others before marriage. The most important thing is Ines does not care. She doesn’t look down on him for his past. In fact she HATES it when he brings up his past and apologizes for it. Ines thinks they had nothing to do with each other before marriage so he has nothing to apologize for. Maybe too she understands that people make mistakes. She made some pretty big mistakes in her past lives and she absolutely doesn’t want him to find out her past either.

Season 3 will focus on this couple understanding the flaws of the other, accepting them and growing even closer.

I'm missing them so much I need season 3 rn but artist-san really needs that rest for giving us such beautiful panels

don't put words in my mouth like that,
when did i justify cheating in any way??
my only point was since they weren't emotionally dating at that time NO ONE'S FEELINGS WAS HURT, i'm not saying the cheating was okay, i'm saying that didn't affect their relationship at all

this was exactly my point lol, obviously for ines they weren't dating at all, so she wasn't affected in the slightest

Bro calm down loool , I didn't put words into ur mouth ur the one who literally went in and replied to my own post that cheating is okay ON PAPER when I mentioned Carcel's past cheating which was A FACT and how I personally didn't like it which was my goddamn OPINION. Did we read the same story? I love the story, I liked the ML's character development and Carcel became a man WHO YEARNS . It was true Ines didn't originally give a damn about him cheating, but u cannot say it didn't affect their relationship emotionally because at some point Ines didn't trust and believe Carcel's intentions and affections since she thinks he WOULD EVENTUALLY go back on being a womanizer since he cheated which was as a matter of fact mentioned and present in the story.

When Carcel was just a 6 year old kid, Ines already expected him to cheat. What does that say about her thinking? She is a cynical woman just like her mother. I honestly wished the manhwa did a better job of showing just how blinded and biased Ines’s thinking was. I also wished they hadn’t cut out her extremely detailed plot against Carcel even when he was just a little boy who knew nothing about romance. She even discussed divorce with lawyers when she and Carcel were only 10 years old.

Ines believes everyone will cheat. She even reasoned in the previous life that the painter guy wouldn’t dare cheat on her because he’s too poor. Then she reasoned he has his looks so he could still cheat. Then she said since he’s single-minded, he won’t cheat on her. Ines excuses no man because that’s the kind of person she is. Most manhwa readers seem to think Ines is an easy person to deal with. She’s a very tough person to live with. If only you guys could read the epilogue of this story and see how difficult and frustrating she can be as a wife. Personally, I cannot live with someone like her if I was a man. Some people don’t even want to read the epilogue again because of her. She’s thoroughly a Valeztena and frustrating as hell. Carcel must be the only person who can deal with her personality precisely because of his kind of personality.

Anyway, Ines is the one who gets character development in this story. Not Carcel. I see readers think Carcel got development. He did not. What he got and will continue to get is a full revelation of his character because he has always been this kind of person. It’s amazing how consistent his character is from timeline to timeline. Carcel only fulfilled the promise made before marriage that he would live like a monk if necessary because marriage is a vow before God. In fact, that’s why Ines slapped him. She was upset that he would frustrate her divorce plan.

Moreover, Ines herself later admits she was wrong from the start about Carcel. That’s the turning point of the story when she decided to stop denying her feelings that were growing since the early part of their marriage. Ines was the one brainwashing herself about Carcel when her lying eyes and heart already saw the truth early on…when she refused to admit she was wrong about him. As early as when Raul investigated Carcel’s life in Calztela, Ines realized he wasn’t at all like she thought and this story will keep on proving to her how wrong she was about him. Even a recent chapter shows her regretting she hadn’t paid attention in the past to Carcel and that’s why she has limited knowledge of him. All she knew were lies, rumors and her unreliable imagination. Even to the end of the story, Ines will be acknowledging how wrong she was about him.

Respect for the details and constructive insights man, I truly appreciate it . Now that you mentioned it, I think I do agree on the part that Ines' character development's is like the main dish of the story. Now I'm more intrigued on how Ines' character will progress throughout the story

you're literally doing it again there's literally nothing in my comment that says i condone cheating i guess i wasn't pretty clear about it but i already explained that's not what i meant dang how can i calm down when u say shi like that lol that's really offensive

this is such a nice analysis, and youre so right

Okay let me *kindly* break it down to you, this is not rocket science.

All I posted was how I didn't like Carcel sleeping around with multiple women, we cannot deny that reading the first chapter already sent a major ick on how it depicts that Carcel slept around while "engaged" with Ines which meant he knew he's bound to marry her in the first place but still chose to do his sexcapades. You are free to check and read the chapter one again.

That's literally all I said, on how it ruins the story experience from MY OWN POINT OF VIEW everytime I am reminded of that his dick went in to diff women when I read the couple's sex scenes. I even mentioned beforehand that yeah ik this is fiction but what made the cheating ick bad for me is because I am AWARE he could get STDs and that mean he could pass it on Ines and even to their child. Which was just a major turn off for me.

Then here's your first reply to my post, so it would ring the bell.

*"That* was before they actually liked each other, so u could take it as he did that before they started dating for real, that was *cheating* ON PAPER but not emotionally"*

You, yourself went on commenting on my post from your own mouth, from your own account that—"oh yeah that was before when they are just engaged so yeah no hard feelings since Ines didn't care at first so that was CHEATING but was on paper." You said it yourself that *cheating* is fine on paper. The exact act of Carcel sleeping around with other women which was cheating is fine to you. Then when I called you out, you claimed oh "I'm not condoning this or that" "you're putting words into my mouth" "you're being offensive" but how am I supposed to believe you when your first statement says otherwise

Then here's your first reply to my post, so it would ring the bell.

*"That* was before they actually liked each other, so u could take it as he did that before they started dating for real, that was *cheating* ON PAPER but not emotionally"*

You, yourself went on commenting on my post from your own mouth, from your own account that—"oh yeah that was before when they are just engaged so yeah no hard feelings since Ines didn't care at first so that was CHEATING but was on paper." You said it yourself that *cheating* is fine on paper. The exact act of Carcel sleeping around with other women which was cheating is fine to you. Then when I called you out, you claimed oh "I'm not condoning this or that" "you're putting words into my mouth" "you're being offensive" but how am I supposed to believe you when your first statement says otherwise

Then u even added how it didn't affect Ines/their relationship emotionally sO That Makes Him cHeatinG ON PAPER fiNe, which I disagreed in my second reply to you because it *did* affect her. In fact the cheating played a big role on their relationship. Carcel switched up the moment he was not happy when Ines didn't care about him cheating. He tried getting married to her quickly, he even moved houses to somewhere where Ines would like, he'd even show sudden affection. But what did Ines feel? She did not believe his intentions because she thinks HE WOULD EVENTUALLY CHEAT AGAIN. Which makes your claim "oh it didn't affect their relationship" wrong. Now you might be thinking, yeah so what? Ines wishes for Carcel to see another woman, so she'd eventually divorce him.

But that's when Ines' character development comes.

The cheating itself made her realizing her true feelings. Yes, that same woman who was described as someone who's "cynical" because of all the trauma and pain that was brought from her past life—was not fine seeing Carcel with another woman when she herself was the one who tried setting them up.

Are you getting it now? Remember when she set Carcel up with a noblewoman to sleep with him? But what did she do? she interrupted them. Yes, she herself ruined her own plans. Because she was emotionally affected by seeing HIM CHEAT.

And lastly, what part was I trying to be offensive? I didn't do any personal attack towards you I literally just said "calm down" since the first thing u said was "stop putting words in my mouth like that,..??" and ur acting out like I was attacking you—when I was merely constructively criticizing what U said on how I did not agree on the cheating not affecting their relationship. I have no problem with someone constructively disagreeing with me, in fact I like it. That's why I didn't act negatively when @StoryofMinglan added some details about the story.

But you? When I explained how you were wrong the way you reacted was like this:

"you're literally doing it again there's literally nothing in my comment that says i condone cheating i guess i wasn't pretty clear about it but i already explained that's not what i meant dang how can i calm down when u say shi like that lol that's really offensive"

Like bro you yourself even admitted it. How you did not explain pretty clear which was a mistake on ur part but then act as if I am at fault here? That I'm being offensive when you're the one who started. Look, say I'm offensive or what for saying the truth I don't mind anymore. Have a good day.

Ines was a cynical person even in her first true life before she had trauma from the tragedies. She was probably influenced by her mother’s teachings and/or that’s just part of her personality. She’s a Valeztena and they are difficult people to deal with. Even a child of Ines, if it takes after her, has a demanding and fussy personality as a baby. I’m not kidding. The goal of the writer was to write a selfish and flawed FL and she succeeded very well.

The only character more difficult than Ines is Ines’s mother. Her mother’s story is more explored in the epilogue and side story and that woman is complicated. More complicated than even Ines’s dad. Once Ines’s parents are more explored in the story, the reader can see why Ines is naturally a difficult person. She takes after both parents but a tad more after the father and that’s why she’s better than her mother, personality-wise. She’s also learning to be softer in this final timeline since she’s now largely influenced by Carcel, first and foremost, then his mother.

Regarding the lady Ines tried to foist on Carcel, she’s not even a noblewoman. She’s a crazy commoner woman who married a navy guy simply so she can gain access to the navy community to meet Carcel. In other words, the part of Calztela they live in is like a gated community where only navy personnel and their families live. If Carcel quits the navy, they have to give up the house they currently live in because it’s in the navy community.

It’s unfortunate that a lot of the reflection Ines does because of this incident was stripped from the manhwa. Like the part in the novel, after he left bedroom, where she admits she never really knew the original Carcel and only believed the rumors about him. She also remembered that both men and women always talked behind his back and he was a magnet for gossip. There’s also the part where she grew nervous when she recognized his eyes became cold just like his cold eyes in the life when she was crown princess and the part when she grew disgusted at herself for trying to frame him for something he didn’t do. All of the above provided a solid explanation for her turning point to stop plotting against him. The manhwa even skewed the reason behind her crying after she pulled that crazy woman incident and obscured the fact that she was relieved to see him come back into the room because it reassured her he wasn’t going to abandon her after the stunt she pulled.

How was that cheating? They were engaged, but the fl wanted him to be with other women. They weren't in any kind if committed relationship. If anything it was contract marriage.

Exactly sweetheart I get what you're trying to point out, that's why it's deemed as cheating "ON PAPER," because although they're not originally in any kind of intimate/loving relationship they were still engaged. It would've been different if Carcel slept around when he had no interest with Ines and they weren't in any kind of label of relationship.

However, The moment Carcel visited his fiancee and Ines gave him the cold shoulder because she was sick—he was upset by Ines' response that he lost his virginity with a random woman while engaged with Ines.

And what's funny is, although Carcel claimed he doesn't give a damn about his fiance; when he realized Ines really didn't give a damn about him cheating he immediately switched up and even claimed "he's much more faithful than she thought he was." If he truly treated their relationship as something contractual or him generally not giving no fck about Ines, why act out the moment he realized Ines didn't care?

Oh my bad about the noblewoman part i didn't realized it, thanks for the heads up . I'm genuinely intrigued by the story so much that I think I should read the novel as well

This whole topic is tired and worn out, especially when that was what Ines was rooting for, for the whole first part of the story. I used to hate that Carcel wasn’t loyal but Ines and Carcel didn’t even have an emotional bond to begin with. Not like I’m blaming Ines for why she did what she did but she wasn’t interested in him at all so it makes sense the older he got he would find someone who would give him attention

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