Nicholas Hale January 22, 2016 3:10 pm

(This is just my opinion, and nobody has to agree with me.)
In cases like these, especially where BDSM is included, it's almost only a matter of perception to see whether it was consensual or not. Well, firstly, the uke here did not give any verbal consent whatsoever. That been said, not all sex and definitely not all S&M sex has verbal consent. (Yes, there are many Masochistic uke's that very straight-forwardly tell their S's that they love it rough, and they love being spanked, etc.) but not all the time. (This is only based on perception, but after the uke was smacked, he became offended but he started blushing. This is just something that could be considered. That might have been the point where he realised he was being dominated over and his inner M was coming out.)

Take the manga "Ten Count" for example. A very famous yaoi S&M manga. We see our M Uke in Ten Count verbally object the S seme multiple times but the seme doesn't stop. People rarely complain about consent there for some reason. Anyway, the uke there is truly an M, so you literally can't say whether or not the Seme has done a bad thing for not stopping when the uke rejected him, or whether he did good on making his masochistic partner feel good. When our M uke says 'No', it's not always clear whether he's really saying yes or no. Another thing- Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and Junjou Romantica. That's not even categorized as a BDSM yaoi, and yet ALMOST in every sex scene which is ALMOST in every chapter, the Luke verbally rejects the seme. No one argues about consent there, either. Mostly because the sex scenes are still always portrayed in a way that the uke looks like he enjoys the sex anyway, (which he probably does.) But see, that's what makes it hard to tell what is or isn't consensual in yaoi mangas. Although, sometimes it is very obvious when someone is being raped. Especially when that's what the author is trying to portray.

    Black Shadow February 9, 2016 11:53 am

    You could write a book about this topic. Very interesting to read. I agree! ^^

    fujoshineko February 15, 2016 10:55 pm

    I agree. I think the thoughts of the uke while having sex or doing lewd acts plus their personalities also add to the reasons why in some cass people don't complain even when te uke says no to the seme. In Sekaiichi Hatuskoi, for instance, Rtisu is in denial of his feelings, while in Ten Count, Kurose eventually turned out to be correct in his assessment of Shirotani, that is, wanting to be messed up instead of getting cured.

    Anonymous February 24, 2016 3:12 am

    OK, I have to confess, I hate when ukes are screaming "no no no" all the time, it's a HUGE turn off for me XD I mean, if it's at first, it's somewhat understandable (still don't enjoy it very much though), but when sensei has written 3248237 chapters and uke is still screaming "no no no" DA HELL is that? XD Am I the only one who feels like that?

    kai February 28, 2016 2:09 am
    OK, I have to confess, I hate when ukes are screaming "no no no" all the time, it's a HUGE turn off for me XD I mean, if it's at first, it's somewhat understandable (still don't enjoy it very much though), but ... @Anonymous

    OMG I AGREE! and when the seme actually stop and say "you dong want this?" And the Uke be like " i didnt say stop or i didnt mean it like that" like the fuck u mean then? No means not to do or say something so how the hell is the seme knows what to do?! Like chill and enjoy the sex instead of saying no! Bluidy say yes darn it! That annoys my soul because i dont get why they are saying no lol

    Anonymous March 3, 2016 6:26 pm
    OMG I AGREE! and when the seme actually stop and say "you dong want this?" And the Uke be like " i didnt say stop or i didnt mean it like that" like the fuck u mean then? No means not to do or say something ... kai

    I think thats more like a Japanese thing maybe? Most of the normal av videos are the same, the girls always saying "no, its bad, stop" and so on... I think its a huge turn off too, but it seems they like it..

    kai March 4, 2016 4:40 am
    I think thats more like a Japanese thing maybe? Most of the normal av videos are the same, the girls always saying "no, its bad, stop" and so on... I think its a huge turn off too, but it seems they like it.. @Anonymous

    Huge turn off indeed, its like they wanna give the illusion that its forced, idk it just get tiring and old when you see it all the time. T s why i like to find stories when the Uke is super seductive and enjoys his sexuality

    Black Shadow March 4, 2016 10:07 pm
    Huge turn off indeed, its like they wanna give the illusion that its forced, idk it just get tiring and old when you see it all the time. T s why i like to find stories when the Uke is super seductive and enjoy... kai

    I agree that it is a turn off but I don't think they want it to look forced but the person on the receiving end is supposed to look pure. Like when they'd say "yes! More!" They'd be "dirty" and by saying "no! Stop!" All the time I think it's supposed to have an effect of appearing cute and pure and adorable. (While most people don't think it is I guess that really is a more Japanese thing.)

    kai March 5, 2016 1:26 am
    I agree that it is a turn off but I don't think they want it to look forced but the person on the receiving end is supposed to look pure. Like when they'd say "yes! More!" They'd be "dirty" and by saying "no! S... Black Shadow

    Yeah i guess that's what get the Japanese engines going in the bed it just confuses me when they say no but whateves lol

    mewo July 25, 2020 9:07 am

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Nicholas Hale January 18, 2016 3:46 pm

What's a braother?

Nicholas Hale January 17, 2016 1:17 pm

This is going to sound stupid, no doubt, but I read two earlier comments that were calling Saya a cinnamon roll. Is this a particular term used toward particular people?

If it were just one comment calling Saya a cinnamon roll, I would have guessed it was just something like calling someone "baby" or "sweetheart" but I'm confused about the cinnamon rolls.

Btw awesome update. There was a feeling of realism in that which I really appreciate.

    radlouis January 17, 2016 6:18 pm

    It's a meme, and it also became a term of endearment as a result of that meme, lol.

    Nicholas Hale January 18, 2016 3:40 pm
    It's a meme, and it also became a term of endearment as a result of that meme, lol. radlouis

    Ah, I see. Thanks for enlightening me. :)

Nicholas Hale December 23, 2015 5:52 pm

Am I the only one that thought since the very start that Ryuu was going to be the uke? It wasn't surprising to me, and when reading the comments, I was actually worried that Ryuu was going to be the seme. Well, it worked out expectedly in the end.

    Lunatic Pup December 24, 2015 8:50 am

    Nope you aren't the only one, I thought that way as well. Albeit I didn't read any of the comments until after I finished reading, so things just pleasantly followed my expectations. ヾ(☆▽☆)

    Merry December 28, 2015 12:26 pm

    From the start, I also expected Ryuu to be the uke. He's just too cute not to be~
    And I seem to always get the ukes and the semes right.

Nicholas Hale December 15, 2015 3:05 am

This and 19 days are both at the point where a confession has been made and things could start to seriously change. Good luck to Sun Jing and Jian yi.

    Hyo Tenshi December 26, 2015 3:57 am

    *intensely crosses fingers*
    Same. Both are at major turning points. Let's wish for the best! ( ;∀;)

Nicholas Hale December 7, 2015 2:37 pm

Haha. I came here for the 'This is rape and it is unacceptable' comments.
I don't know how many times I've explained this, but as long as the manga isn't encouraging rape, there really ain't a problem. S'just part of the story.

In this one, the guy who was raping the victim was indeed in love with him, but the manga wasn' tryin' ta say raping cuz you love someone makes it acceptable - it was jus' a story about a character who's love was poorly expressed and the misunderstanding of each others feelings. Really, the story wasn't about the rape. But if that's how ya make it out to be, suit yourself.

    Nicholas Hale December 7, 2015 2:44 pm

    That's basically it. The manga isn't about rape nor is it encouraging it. Sure it contains rape, but thats jus' somethin' that happened between these 2 characters, be it a negative thing or whatever. Like, it's okay for movies or stories to contain scenes of killing, massacre and murder just as well as it's okay for movies to contain rape. Why is it okay? Because it's just a factor of the story. Now, porn is a different thing. Porn is purposely made for viewers to feel pleasure. In this case, a porn video of someone being raped or child porn is definitely something that should not be tolerated. But if all ya can see is the audacity of this story having a rape scene in it, you're completely missing the point of the story.

    Fura January 31, 2016 8:29 pm

    I'm an usual hater of rape story but I must admit that this one didn't really bother because it goes with the character.... Usually I hate it because they show rape as something "normal" to do when you're in love....
    But here the character is not normal xD He's a bastard and knows it, so he acts like one. But he's still loved. End of the story, and its cute.

    Nicholas Hale February 1, 2016 7:50 am
    I'm an usual hater of rape story but I must admit that this one didn't really bother because it goes with the character.... Usually I hate it because they show rape as something "normal" to do when you're in lo... @Fura

    Exactly. What should be a problem is something like Sekaiichi hatsukoi. Don't get me wrong, I love the manga, but every sex scene mimics rape. But no one complains about it precisely because the manga normalizes the rape and even makes it look appealing. (If you wanted to be really sensitive about rape.) The BDSM genre is also quite a sensitive topic... There are so many things to be considered. But, you get the point. I'm glad ^^

    Morohtar May 1, 2017 5:57 pm

    " as long as the manga isn't encouraging rape, there really ain't a problem." THAT, right there. Thanks a million times! <3

Yandere-Kun November 23, 2015 4:38 pm

I don't know, maybe this mangaka just isn't for me but I really wanted Riku to be the top. Usually, I can accept either characters to be either top or bottom, but Riku was strictly a top for me.. I couldn't read anymore after I confirmed he was a bottom... That's just my opinion though.

    Anonymous December 13, 2015 3:48 am

    Have you ever heard of the saying If YOU have nothing GOOD to SAY you SHOULDN'T say ANYTHING at all. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Anonymous February 5, 2016 3:11 pm
    This reply will be showed after approved! baa_sleep

    Hahaha! I just saw this now.
    Actually this post is misplaced...
    I guess that was a bit too late for me.
    I typed this comment in one of the "Elektal Delusion" post,
    sadly I just noticed I posted it here -_-...multiple tabs problem.

Yandere-Kun November 17, 2015 2:12 pm

Did they die or didn't they die? I was confused at first but then that's the beauty in it. It's a matter of how you perceive. They could have either ran away, escaped and the whole world thought they were dead, or they could have died but found peace in heaven.

    Anonymous November 17, 2015 2:32 pm

    ( ̄へ ̄)they didn t die they whent into witness protection. They fake there dead. Swordfish CUT AEAL WHIT THE FED so the both can leave prison whit new IDENTETIS.

    Shadow Alucard December 12, 2015 11:43 pm
    ( ̄へ ̄)they didn t die they whent into witness protection. They fake there dead. Swordfish CUT AEAL WHIT THE FED so the both can leave prison whit new IDENTETIS. @Anonymous

    sorry to kill your buzz but your spelling is killing me right now. Thanks for a good laugh (=・ω・=)

    Kaoru Hitachiin January 2, 2016 7:29 am
    sorry to kill your buzz but your spelling is killing me right now. Thanks for a good laugh (=・ω・=) @Shadow Alucard

    this reply HAHAHAHAHA

Yandere-Kun November 16, 2015 1:12 pm

I wanna see him genuinely smile so badly. And genuinely blush. Please, Old Xian make my wish come true.

Yandere-Kun November 16, 2015 12:04 pm

Still shipping them. Also, we should call him aka-kami-kun or aka-kami-chan for extra cuteness <3. (aka means red and kami means hair.)

    latte cat November 16, 2015 12:45 pm

    but that's in japanese ^^

    Yandere-Kun November 16, 2015 1:05 pm
    but that's in japanese ^^ latte cat

    Err.. right. Well shit.

    latte cat November 16, 2015 7:38 pm
    Err.. right. Well shit. Yandere-Kun

    hong toufa doesn't sound as great xD that's literally red hair tho

    Yandere-Kun November 17, 2015 2:15 pm

    Yeah, XD I'm half chinese but hong toufa sounds absolutely terrible lmao. It sounds like hong tofu or something.

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