
Are they actually people who enjoy this shit?
Edit: Not some of you weird ass yaoi fans saying that the seme isn't a rapist (>∀<)

Have your read Mingwa’s other work? That’s usually how it goes. The seme starts out some level of asshole, but by the end of the series is loving and kind through personal growth. That’s the plot of literally their most well known work. If it makes you uncomfortable, that’s fair! It’s not for everyone. But they confirmed Jaekyung is going to have a turn around, it’s all part of the drama.

I'm cherry picking nothing. The thing i mentioned happened. When someone screams for someone to stop in the middle of sex and the other doesn't, it's rape, whether you like it or not. Not to mention that you are the one that is unable to accept the fact because it doesn't fit with your own pov.He is rapey, quite clearly. Now if this doesn't sit well with your consciousness, have a talk with yourself. Just because someone gives consent at the start, doesn't mean that they have no right to change their mind. When someone says no, it means no, especially since he was clearly in pain.

You are repeating the same thing, ignoring completely what I'm saying At least i have proof to back up my points while you're just throwing around accusations because you can't stand the truth lmao As they say, never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience Adios

“As i said, you can give consent and take it back,“
And it can be given back.
Dan says no then gives consent back.
Dan says stop but asks for it to be gentler.
It is not rape.
Read the story.
Consent can be given and take back. Consent can be given after it is taken away. Dan consented again. You are cherry picking to you pov not understanding what rape is. Joo can’t be a rapist or we all will be in trouble.

You can give consent and take it back. You can give consent.
Dan says no and then gives consent.
He takes back consent and then gives it again. He asks for it to be gentler. He asks for the sex to he consent to be gentler. Do you ask a rapist to be gentler?
Consent can be given many times not once.
Dan consented many times. He reconsented each time no didn’t consent.
This is not rape.
Joo is not a rapist.
If he is a rapist, we all will be in trouble.
You may be seriously scared.
I am genuinely concerned how uneducated people are and can’t see understand the full scene past a “no” or details Joo doesn’t know.

Also not all rape cases are the same, as i said, since his will falls into deaf ears, of course he'll ask what's at least possible to be heard since the rapist doesn't stop(of course he doesn't listen to that either).I don't know with what sort of partners you've been with, but unless it's roleplay, when someone doesn't stop the moment you scream stop, that's a massive red flag. The uneducated one is you.

Rape dependers are the ones who see rape and depend that pov.
We don’t see rape. There is no rape. We don’t depend rape. You do. We don’t have your delusions. Stop forcing your delusions on us.
How illogical to still be making this asinine argument. Look at that a real rape apologist making an illogical argument. We are the rape survivor defenders from the rape apologists and cyber bullies. You are one of them.

bro trust me , me and like a million others tried to knock some sense into them..............and honestly now I just bully and troll them and see them act stupidly! 'm sure you'll also end up doing that because at this point they stop making sense and you actually start laughing at the stuff they make up!

Make more sense when you talk and learn what "rape" defender means. Also if you consider cyberbullying the fact that people defend their comments, maybe you shouldn't even be here. Cope with the fact that people aren't just going to "eat up" the bullshit you and others say, and are gonna call you out.

You are talking about yourself.
Not all rape cases are the same. That is true.
This is not rape.
Educate yourself. (Note: Joo does stop. But he doesn’t ask to beginning again when he starts again which is a no-no. But Dan words to him next…. Pay attention what Dan says to him. Stop cherry picking. Read the story. Where is your version? Your fantasies? )
Your comments are a massive red flag . I never said you were uneducated. I never insulted you. You took the lost by insulting me. Do better.
-Rape crisis counselor

That is a trolling tactic to discredit your opponent when losing. The one you are defending attacked a rape survivor and deny her being a rape survivor. We are not rape dependers because you are crying wolf. There has to be rape in the rape and we have to be defending rape. We are saying there is no rape in a non-rape story. You see rape. It is illogical. You are defending rape and your pov. You are the rape defenders here. The rest of your comments is just BS to try to control the situation and degrade me without understanding the situation that has happened. That is what happens when you know your wrong. Thanks for sharing your lost.

Yeah, because a rape survivor would totally mention their traumatizing experience just to win a debate in a pirated site about a fictional situation. Not to mention that let's say they are saying the truth, do they magically earn the right to speak for every rape victim on the planet or something? I think not, but that's just how far the rape apologists would go

The point of view you are slamming is the story’s pov. You are not harming me. Lol.
I gave you the story’s pov. I don’t gave you my pov.
You are showing others how nasty you can’t be to others who shares a different pov from your pov. If you can’t handle others pov or a story’s pov that is different from yours- seek professional help because you can’t go like this in real life.
I am a straight man and have no horse in this race. My wife, my best friend, and theirs friends love yaoi. I get called in to analyze something or settle something. You can see rape but be respectful to others who stands with the facts of story. There are many POVs.
There is no rape in this story. It is your pov from cherry picking lines.

No. Some don’t. It takes courage for them to talk about it. Talking about it heals them but they get hideously attacked for coming forward by cyber bullies. How are said this isn’t what happened. If you believe that than you are one of the bullies making BS up to just win a debate. Rape apologists don’t define us. Educate yourself.
Rape defenders don’t define us. Educate yourself.

Dang, they made a bad choice. And nope, it's not my pov from "cherry picking" lines, that's me seeing the full picture and you being in denial. "Cherry picking" lines has been your excuse during the whole debate, you have yet to prove any of your points. The whole story from the start has been coercion and straight up rape, you spamming "Blah blah you're cherry picking lines, you're wrong!" doesn't prove nor change anything. I have proof and all you have is your subjective opinion over what YOU think i do. Have a nice day.

Trolling trick.
It is rape survivor. *
How disgusting you dig at my job to try to win a debate. Figures you would cower. You are showing how weak and insecure you are.
- rape crisis counselor that defends rape survivors and not a rape pov that’s not in a story that doesn’t dictate giving advice to rape survivors. Illogical arguments.

“ I am genuinely concerned how uneducated people are”
Gender statement. I don’t see your name or any name. And if you look USA is uneducated compared to many countries. It is 13.
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries/#:~:text=South%20Korea%20stands%20out%20as,in%20nurturing%20an%20educated%20population.
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/the-u-s-is-losing-its-competitive-advantage-3306225#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20isn't,Japan%2C%20Poland%2C%20and%20Ireland. https://ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/illiteracy-among-adults-in-the-us

Yes I am very clear at debunking that illogical argument as it defines you. However I did not explain the delusions part is from a quote TMSM used to logically get you to understand how rape defenders from your pov don’t describe us as you defending your rape pov. You have rape on the brain. You are so obsessed with rape you are adding rape to a story and degrading others who don’t see it. Do you want the quote?

I left this “I can’t handle another pov I have to attack others others”. I don’t know where this comment falls if it before or after I explained it. I am not looking. Your interpretation is not accurate. No one has called me out. You assumed. I was talking about research and I posted 3 links. That wasn’t a gotcha moment as you thought. Lol. I am not like you.

Attacks on grammar… or “it doesn’t make sense (when it is plain English).”
“This is a trick used by debaters when they are losing an argument. The intention is to discredit what the opposition says (grammar, wordage) ... in the hope that the audience will then discredit the arguments that the opposition puts forward.”

I hope all the people that see rape in this story reread from both perspectives. Yes, Dan suffers but Jk is also oblivious. It’s also because the story has been written in Dan’s POV making Jk look like a monster. No one is defending anybody. I’m just trying to look at it from both povs.
You say consent can be given and taken back, but it is the same Dan who requested another $14,000. Lmao.
Please, actually reread.
It might look like it. But it isn’t.

Raised eyebrow. Rape can be a logical conclusion until the next scene or the whole truth. You can see rape. But even if it had rape as many do. I am raising an eyebrow here because you can’t differentiate between fantasy and reality.
https://www.nowtolove.com.au/amp/health/sex/why-women-read-erotic-fiction-17262
“ Yet the role played by erotic fiction and fantasy is an important one, says sexologist and director of Sexology Australia, Elaine George. "Erotic fiction, in particular, enables a woman to get carried away with her sense of imagination and imaginary play," she says.
"That imaginary play can be with a lover. It can be with multiple lovers. And it can be inventing a scenario that enables her to become erotically charged.”
She may NEVER want to be with multiple lovers or could be against it in reality.
“ Why do women read erotic fiction?
Distraction and feelings of ease were identified as prime rewards associated with reading erotic novels.”
It is a distraction. It is a fantasy for entertainment but you are associating with real life. Raised eyebrow.
I think serial killers should be in prison. However, people love Dexter (TV show) who is a serial killer killing other serial killers. Your logic is everyone is a serial killer or condones serial killers actions that loves Dexter?? Raised eyebrow. Did you think that through? What are you calling yourself with the fantasies you love?

“I am genuinely concerned how uneducated people are and can’t see understand the full scene past a “no” or details Joo doesn’t know.”
He mentions the story.
Maybe we need those English classes. He connected two clauses together. Two different ideas. You made them one.
“I am genuinely concerned how uneducated people are, and who can’t understand the full scene past a “no” or details Joo doesn’t know.”
Or
“ “I am genuinely concerned how uneducated people are. In addition, those who can’t understand the full scene past a “no” or details Joo doesn’t know.”
The typo:
With Tora if you were not upset and trying to discredit him, you could think logically to what he meant. “Can’t see understand”. He meant three words and see don’t fit.
He is genuinely concerned with who can’t understand the full scene……
No one called him out? Besides on bullying bullshit.

Fantasy or reality, it’s still weird and you’re normalizing and defending SA/RAPE. You’re weird as fuck dude it may be entertaining but if you fetishize it or genuinely defend it, you are the problem. And did you know? Most of people who read or fetishize those stuff mostly affects their personality, sometimes it can even make them think it’s normal IRL. Stop comparing serial killers and rapists, they’re two different things you dumbass.

Do you know the difference between sa and rape?
You are talking about yourself. You are desperately defining yourself, not TMSM. You can’t even talk to THEM. Your comments are the problem.
I will say that was TM,
Oh you didn’t like his logical argument against that crushed that illogical argument? He didn’t compare rapist and serial killers. Try again. Your ignorance and insecurities are showing. You are talking about yourself. Do better. Thank you for sharing your lost.

“Fantasy or reality, it’s still weird” debunked
“and you’re normalizing and defending SA/RAPE. “ false
“. You’re weird as fuck dude ” false that would be you attacking people with false accusations and weird arguments. Takes one to know one.
“it may be entertaining but if you fetishize it or genuinely defend it,you are the problem. “. False… you are the problem see your comments.
.” And did you know? Most of people who read or fetishize those stuff mostly affects their personality, sometimes it can even make them think it’s normal IRL.”
Source. I don’t care about your opinion.
“ Stop comparing serial killers and rapists, they’re two different things” at least you know they are two different things… I don’t compare serial killers and rapists. Lmao. And you think sa and rape are the same thing. While rape is SA, not all Sa is rape. I was compare her ideology to a different ideology that is the same thing.
“you dumbass.” That is you taking the L and talking about yourself.
Learn how to communicate.

The fuck you mean attacking, i’m just tryna educate dumbass people defending this shitty manhwa. No it’s not false accusations, you’re just trying your best to ignore that it has actual sa/rape.
You don’t care? See, you are the problem there has been cases of which rapist’s did that because it was their fetish or they liked it.
No, CLEARLY. You didn’t know what I was talking about and just assumed I thought they were the same ong. It has both SA and Rape.
Fifth grader ass comebacks (Also tm something ass, you’re such a pussy for making me not reply LMFAOOO)

also, side note if you are genuinely like normalizing this get mental help genuinely it is gross if you actually believe that. ALSO don't judge people for what they read? fiction is different then reality that is a KNOWN thing. if you cannot see the difference in it you need help and if this shit genuinely makes you think you can do this or it's normal yet again get mental help and grow up

You are not educate me but in how to define you. I have never deny it was SA. I have always said it was SA and abusive. What are you talking about? I am not ignoring anything. You are, dumbass. The story is sa and abusive. Your pov is rape and sa.
Sorry I didn’t gave you a comeback. I am not trying to fight you or talk to you. I blocked you to mark you as a troll who can only attack and can’t have a conversation without petty insults or being vulgar. You are not worth talking to- take a hint. Blocking doesn’t stop the communication so you take the L.
You are talking about yourself.

I have blocked one or two. I wished people would stop fighting and accept their other POVs than their own. You see rape. We are not excusing rape because you see rape. We are not excusing rape at all. Learn to respect others who has a different pov from your own. Rape is not a part of this story. That is your delusion, not mine. (From a quote I used). We are not acting vile at all. We have stood with a rape survivor with this who was hideous attacked by people like you. If you are a rape survivor I am sorry to hear that but you don’t have the right to treat us this way or call us vile because we don’t share the same pov as we get attacked by many who are vile stop white washing the people you are standing with and accept there are other POVs.

That’s your opinion and mmm no argument no credibility no statistics. You dismissed what I put. You get mental help.
“ fiction is different then reality that is a KNOWN thing”.
Sounded like you understood but then you failed. “if you cannot see the difference in it you need help and if this shit genuinely makes you think you can do this or it's normal yet again get mental help and grow up”
I think you are only here to stir up trouble. Take your own advice and maybe learn more.

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14246204/
Admit you are following this and liking this story. You thanked the one who corrected the hiatus. Are you talking about yourself here?
No? Well.,, you went in a wild tangent that didn’t fit to anyone here. If anyone here is having problems it is Nani with reality and fantasy as her comment suggested. Try to understand before going off.

I read BJ Alex, Jinwon was a big dbag, nothing to do with being a violent r4pist who hits his partners when he doesn't get his way, which is why many ppl trash on this manhwa.
I'm at loss of words for the people not understanding how making a love story out of a r4pist and his victim is just wrong.
Character development is only revelant if the dbag in question is salvageable not a full on criminal who used mc's distress for money to pleasure himself.

To Melaninsucker. Why did you block me though?
How is the story straight-up trash? How is she wrong for reading it?
Anyone is allowed to write and read a story. Nobody is romanticizing or fetishizing anything. Authors make novels from inspiration, real life, or scenarios that never happen in real life. Everyone is allowed to express their dreams but it doesn't mean they support violent crap in real life. This is a story and it will show how both characters develop. Jk is indeed redeemable but for you to call out straight women fetishizing or romanticizing violence is straight-up false. Some gay men and women write straight novels. If they making a novel about a toxic woman beating her crush because he doesn't like them back, does that mean their romanticizing violence?
Why do guys make Jk look as if he's the worst of them all? Why do you guys attack this story so much? He has good and bad characteristics(which is his personality) but you just want to hate.
Learn to appreciate authors/creators because, without them, this world will be damn ass boring fr.
So in conclusion, read a novel more of your type and stop blaming straight women for writing things people want to see. Some gay authors have written worse about straight couples, so mind you. That isn't an opinion. It's a fact.
Respect people’s interests. Not everyone is like you, please. It is okay if their kinks and fetishes are different from yours. It doesn't make them weird, it just means they're different from you.

Thank you for call me Tora. I would want to be him. He is smart. He is kind. He goes out of his way to help anyone.
He is great at analyzing. He is calm. He is a walking textbook.
He is very professional and detailed. I am not.
He is balanced. Very assertive and respectful. Open-minded. Tora does not cuss. He has strong principles and moral values.
I rather be him than you.
Over a week of “you are the same person”, “you are the same person”. We never care. I find it a compliment. I can never be him or Mi Amore. It is sad you can’t tell us apart.

I know. What is funnier Rose and Mi Amore has barely been here and they are still us.
They will not look at we were at the same post writing and posting messages either. two replies were almost the same time. But “You are the same person”. What!? I rather be Tora than them. You would think Tora and Mi Amore would be more active here?
I would rather be Mi Amore than them. I would change genders.
I don’t know you that well but from the little I seen I rather be you than them.
But to tell you the truth I rather be me. It is the same patterns over and over again. They have nothing new. It is just pathetic hate.
Yall this is not bl
yeahhh isn’t one of the leads trans
Thank goodness cause they look too young imo
I don't think so
oh then my bad i’m not sure