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I'm with you, and this chapter was especially boring. What is this even, Seinen?

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It's completely understandable from your point of view, given your own fondness for your brother, but I'll have to remind you that a dysfunctional family is an extremely ugly enviroment to grow in, speaking for experience. rare are the cases where there's still any bond left for "they're still my sibling by blood, so I must protect them". it's not morally correct, I suppose, but despising your kin when you've grown up in shambles due to trauma caused by them is a very much factual reality. I said this as the younger sibling who was not coddled like my older sister and who was far more responsible and mature than her at 16.
it's a young age, yes, but it's a little naive to believe the younger brother is poor clueless thing blinded by youth. people can be vile at 16. they can understand others' pain and can relish in it, even if they're coming from a place of immaturity. you can be immature and still be kind. making childish mistakes is one thing, but what mashiro's brother is doing is just... cruel. he should be under the care of his parents and getting all the support he needs as any other kids his age, but that's his parents' responsibility, not mashiro's. mashiros was neglected by his parents and suffered from their unfair treatment and not once did his brother express any consideration for him; turned mashiro's traumas to his advantage and reveled in them, in fact. mashiro doesn't owe him or his parents anything. he grew up into a mess of an adult at their blame and he's not, even if he wanted to, in a place to consider family bonds and moral codes when his own are all but destroyed.
I'm not defending this course of action, but I thought I'd bring attention to the fact that shit like this happens in real life, as unpleasant as it may be to know. it's not pretty, and not what would be considered right, and sometimes people like mashiro won't be their better human half towards those who've hurt them, but it's a bit unfair to argue that it's imperative that they stick to morals nevertheless when their own have been twisted by others from the start.
that's just an alternate take of the story, of course. your points are still completely valid under the circumstances you've cited.

(dfjdhdfh my bad for all the typos; sucks that you can't edit comments. hope you don't take this as a personal affront, by the way! I fully agree with what you said as the morally correct approach - just pointing out that sometimes, well, people aren't in their best minds to be morally correct.)

EXACTLY

He might be a kid
But I don’t think he’s THAT stupid to understand what he’s doing
And little kids who don’t understand anything don’t go trying to rape and forcefully kiss their adult brother and even if you’re an older sister or an older brother;I doubt that your brother does THAT to you ( in chapter 5 the little brother kissed his brother and I think he wanted to have sex with him )
And he’s going after his older brother’s boyfriends and he knows how to seduce an adult more than an adult
Plus;I don’t consider him ‘a kid’ He seems to be AT LEAST more than 15 years old and he perfectly knows how to seduce men and he knows how to be a great actor,he understands what he’s doing and he has a reason for it.

To understand = not understand

If I have a younger sister who would seduce my boyfriend and he falls for it, I would have fucking left both of them as well.

So fuck off with your opinion.

I kinda agree with the first part
( Geez that was mean )

And that is your immaturity. My rant was focused a sensible adult that regardless of how terrible and disgusting what they did/are doing is he should try, at the very least, to stop an underage kid from prostituting himself to his fuck buddies, no less. I'm not saying that it is his problem, I'm saying that he should do something to stop it and after he's properly tried, it not his job or concern anymore. You tell his parents, the police, who the fuck ever to make sure you are not the only one aware of grown men near raping an underage boy. You take some responsibility of this illegal, replesive shit happening in your house with people you introduced him to and tell one of his authorities. You don't ignore it and let it continuous happen with all of your fuck buddies and then cover for it when his parent ask where he is. As a sensible adult, you don't let and underage kid slut on a bunch of douche bags' dicks and constantly interfere and control your life because you're "hurt." You grow the fuck up because you're a grown ass adult and tell some people to watch their fucking kid and go about your life, maybe not hold extensive relationship with douches but each to their own.

On a second note, putting aside all my maturity, who the fuck is you to tell me shit about my opinion. If you want to put out your opinion some where go post your own comment like the fuck I need your opinion on my comment for and, moreover, trying to tell me shit about my opinion. Last time I checked I didn't write this for you and sure as hell don't give a crap about your trivial, irrelevant, noncontributing ass opinion. At least add something to the discussion like everybody else, you would've sounded less ignorant that way. But no you sound like you didn't read (or comprehend for that matter) my comment, you sound like a kid with that immature thinking, and you sound just as stupid as your comment so therefore I must tell you to fuck off.

I'm not some idiot who would get triggered by such an unrealistic manga. And it's your loss for giving a fuck with my comment.

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What do I say to this!? (ಡ艸ಡ)
You literally just degraded your own comment! I'm dying over here! You're so funny! Ah man I'm crying lol. Thank you idiot for showing how much of an idiot you are. That was so funny. Oh and newsflash, you were the one that said if you were in the same situation you'd leave an underage girl to get near rape by grown men you bring around. I ranted because of people like you not necessarily the manga. You're ignorance is really showing in this one, it can happen and has happen, this isn't an unrealistic situation. But I'll take your one piece of intelligence and stop giving a fuck about you. Man you are funny (＾艸＾)

He wasn’t ‘raped’ and he knew what he’s doing

Well hello person who has nothing to do with this altercation, if you read properly I said "near raped" and just because somebody prositutes themself that doesn't make it rape? Yes, he KNOWS what he is doing but does he UNDERSTAND what he's doing? No probably not it the full capacity. Moreover, regardless of his intent, you have responsibility as an adult to inform authorities about this kid and stop YOUR fuck buddies, the people you introduced to him, from committing a crime, otherwise you're no better than a pimp daddy. So the point of your comment is...?

WOAH!! Is this a novel?!? This comment thread has some long ass sentences *-*

Well look who's the one getting triggered by this 'idiot' here.

If you're so smart, give me a solid evidence that he's underage. The age of consent in Japan varies from 16 to 18, depending on the prefecture and severity of cases happening. If he reached the age of consent, it means he's capable of making decisions for himself. If this still isn't enough, tell me which type of the 5 Vices of Consent does this younger brother falls into? If he does, I'll be considering your motivated reasonings into account.

And by a man you 'bring' around? What the fuck? I'm sorry to say this bitch, but that younger brother is the one who was crashing on Mashiro's place. It's not their family home! He went to his place by himself with the purpose to ruin Mashiro's relationship. And he's such a manipulative little bastard that no readers are willing to give him some morals privilege. I wonder what part of that does 'smart people' like you can't understand?

Ok
1) I have never claimed to be in a league of 'smart people' I have always referenced common sense and morals, so I think I'm more league of 'sensible adult'
2) yeah the first time I was triggered because I was having a bad day and your comment pissed me off. Second time you actually made me laugh, I wasn't triggered I was just replying cause you made me laugh :) This time you actually did bring something to he table so I kind of feel the need to address that.
3) Other than the fact that the author apparently made this character look like a kid, he's uniform is a gakuren, the traditional male middle schooler uniform, and in the raw something fell out of his bag that I think said 'Class 1-3,' we'll have to wait for the official translation but in that case, he's 13/14. And wasn't he doing this for quite a while...ok then
4) Moreover, who is the audience? Japanese people. So why would an author need to explicitly state his age if she has made it very apparent that he is a middle schooler with a commonplace item? If I read a book stating a girl is in high school I'm thinking she is between 15-18 I don't need to be told that, I'm not an idiot...unlike others.
5)As far as the age of consent goes let's not even touch on that, because the things I was reading is confusing as heck seeing in some case it can go up to 20 which is the age of majority, so consent aside, it doesn't matter if he was 18,19 he is still underage, not a juvenile, in most legal cases.
6) This is not the first time, you see this kid you should already know what's going down, so why you letting him interact with them to the point that he can have sex with them? Tell his parents, he keeps coming around, get a restraining order. Simple, you don't leave and let him have sex in your house, you're no better than a pimp daddy that way. Shouldn't you be the one making threats to those scums adults, instead of letting it happen?
7) For the second time, my rant is criticizing his sensibility, morals, and discernment as an adult, not an older brother. I have never stated or implied that this kid is innocent in any way, in fact I think he is a psychopath, but the kid is not the questionable one here it's the adult. Why is he not doing anything to resolve this continuous, disgusting, repulsive act only he knows about? I'm not saying this kid is his "problem" but his problem is him letting his life get manipulated and controlled by a kid (and technically assisting in a continuous crime.) If you were in line at a mall and a kid was screaming and having a tantrum, who are you looking at to stop him: the kid or the adult? The kid is the worst one here but I have no time to care about screaming kids, if this was rl, the adults letting that happen would hear from me.

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1-3 doesn't explain anything. Even when you're in high school you're still gonna be called as first year again. He wears gakuran? So what? Some high schoolers wear them as well. I don't understand what's wrong with that.

No, it matters if he's underage or not. If he does, Mashiro's lover could easily be charged for rape despite it being consensual or not.

Well, just like I said the younger brother doesn't deserve a moral privilege. But even if Mashiro did go talking to people then what? Does it stop his younger brother from doing anything he pleases? Is that what you expect?

On second thought, I think Mashiro might not be telling their parents or any other authority because he doesn't want the truth about his brother out. Mashiro's already a disappointment to his family, and knowing that the younger fucks with his male friends might be even nore worse for his parents. He's an even bigger shame than him. He might hate them for what they've done to him, but deep down I'm sure he's not a nasty person. You can see how he treats those kids.

But truthfully, maybe the reason he left right away is because of what his boyfriend said to him. 'If you want dick, just find it on the streets.' He was kinda hurt but tried to act tough by leaving with fashion. It's not like he didn't care about his brother. His brother had taken a lot from him, and he already gave up long ago because no matter what everyone would prefer his younger brother than him. It was as if he was saying "have it your way, I'm done."

The emotional connection it gave the readers should be the explanation why most didn't even mind that Mashiro left. He has the rights to do just that. Besides, it's not like from his action his younger brother was raped or tortured. In fact, he was enjoying it. Mashiro didn't do any wrong with that choice he made, because he already knew that his brother do it on his own accord.

So, if you refer the younger brother to the 5 Vices of Consent, Mashiro doesn't do any wrong. There's a possibility of violence, but it doesn't happen.

I don’t think that’s a ‘responsibility’
But if were the brother,i’d call a mental asylum because I doubt if there are any younger innocent little brothers who don’t know what they’re doing tries to rape his adult responsible brother
As I said before;he’s completely aware of what he’s doing;he knows how to seduce adult men batter than an adult and he has a reason to do all of these.
And this manga is Japanese and due to Japan standards he’s not a kid

Being young doesn’t mean not understanding anything
He’s not a six years old kid
Young people can be crazy bitches too. He clearly doesn’t feel bad about what he’s doing

The little brother tried to RAPE the older bro
This is not what innocent ‘children’ who haven’t seen the world yet and don’t know what’s going on in the world do

As I previously explained, yes we need the official translation to be certain, but his outfit is a common middle schooler outfit, yes it can be a high schooler, but I'd like to think the author is intelligent enough to use commonplace things commonly. Moreover, legal age of majority is 20, so in most legal cases he is underage. Regardless, of high school/middle school.

For the last time, criticizing a sensible adult. So in the order of your paragraphs:

1) If Mashiro tells somebody, he is no longer assisting a continuous crime and his life is not being controlled and manipulated by a kid. If his brother prositutes himself elsewhere, well it's not his problem because he isn't the only that knows and isn't supplying his customers.

2) Sensible adult. You don't tell anybody for your parents and brother's 'sake' and then proceeds to do nothing but let your brother continuously slut around and destroy both of your lives....ok. Telling his parents doesn't mean telling the world. Moreover, who is suppose to take responsibility for this kid? His parents, so shame regardless they need to deal with their kid. He probably needs to be in a mental hospital and he is messing with other people lives. It's their job as parents, you still have to deal with your kid, shame and all. And weren't you the one who said you wouldn't give a shit about your sister if she did this?...Ok. And yeah I see how he acts with those kids, like a bonefide hypocrite.

3) Not his boyfriend. He told him straight to his face he has other fuck buddies.He gave up on what though? Trying to compete with his brothers for his lovers? I don't think that's what we should be trying to accomplish here. If he were that done, maybe he should, I don't know, remove the kid from the situation.

4) there is nothing wrong with being hurt from your childhood and crying to a friend or lover about it is fine. But there is a limit to pity or sympathy I can feel for somebody, an adult to boot, that is doing nothing to improve his situation. Yes, fucked up childhood but I've seen worse. Just wants to be loved but goes to a cheesy club and gives himself the reputation of enjoy being roughed and abused. Only sleep with douche bags and than sleeps with them again, even after they fucked his kid brother. That's someone looking to be loved?...Ok.There's nothing praiseworthy about his actions or attitude: plays the victim but can conveniently grow balls and tell other people about there shit, cry about his situation but let's it happen regardless, wants love but looks for it in sex-only relationships with douches (and apparently pedophiles) Rape isn't the issue here, it's prostitution and sex with a minor. He is wrong, legally, because he is assisting a crime and, morally because he is allowing and giving a kid grown men's dicks to slut on. Whether he wanted it or not, this kid is not at the age to decide this is the best thing for him.

5) I'm not referring the brother to anything because I don't give a shit about the brother. How Mashiro did and has been handling this is wrong on so many levels and it's sad to think so many people think this the right way to handle this: ignore underage prostitution and manipulation by a child until a good person in an unlikely setting fixes everything for you. That isn't life, you need to get up and do shit yourself.

Didn't explicitly see rape, it looked more like the Mashiro allowed that to happen. I have not once claimed the kid to be 'innocent' or 'stupid,' I said he does not completely understand what he is doing, seeing as his reasoning and rationality is that of a 5 year old, I'd say I'm right. Never said he wasn't crazy, I think a mental asylum is right you should go tell that to everybody else who says Mashiro leaving the situation alone is right. Japanese age of majority is 20, so he's underage alright. You call 'I'll be with you instead' seduction? I've seen 13 year old girls who look 16 get an adult with a look, so what is the elaborate seduction needed or even seen because I don't see any elaborate seduction by this kid. Yes, he knows what he is doing, but do you think a mental person understand the nuances? No, he doesn't understand the extent of his brother's mental, emotional, psychological damage because of him and probably not his on damage either. I've never credited youth with stupidity and ignorance, ive credited them with immaturity and narrow incomprehension (something even adult struggle with.)

wooooaaah bro u need to chill. damn lmfao

Adding to this, Masahiro's little brother is the favorite of everyone, as Masahiro himself has stated, so it's pretty obvious why Masahiro didn't speak to his parents: they wouldn't believe him over the little shit.

Wasn't in the flashback there's a scene where the shittypieceofshitbitchlittlebro crying and hugging the mother and whined "He attacked me~~!" when he's the one who's seducing one of the previous boyfriends?

So yeah. Totally agree with you.

Going to address point no. 4 specifically because I feel like trying to argue about other points would be like talking to a wall because clearly you can't seem to see not only does the younger brother know what he's doing, he /understands/ what he's doing.

Anyways, I don't think you know how it feels when you feel completely worthless compared to a sibling. And more so when your parents make those feelings double down upon themselves.

You say he plays the victim well he fucking is. His parents all but disowned him from the family registery. He felt as if his only role in the family was to be a good brother. His boyfriend he loved chose his brother over him after explicitly telling him he loved the MC more.

He had the balls to "cry" about it to one person. One. So far as we've seen. He hasn't told anyone else as far as the story shows nor has their been any indication he has told anyone before. (You may correct me if I'm wrong here)

You say he's doing nothing to improve his situation - have you ever considered that maybe just possibly he believes he /can't/? "What's the point? It's not like I can do anything right. No one will believe me." I know you think this person is a character with an emotional range of what you see on these pages but if you're going to take a huge leap and go in depth about the little brother's thoughts and what he "understands", you need to broaden your view of the MC as well.

He sleeps with douchbags and gave himself such a reputation because he's afraid of meeting someone he might actually fall in love with. "What if I never meet their expectations?"

Yes he wants to be loved but he's scared if he goes to look for it, no one will love him. He wont find anyone who will love him back with how imperfect he is. So instead of searching for an unknown, he rather play a safe game where he wouldn't be rejected. it hurts but atleast he can tell himself "hey it's not like I tried." Because realistically speaking, the fear is real af.

He left his brother there. You said he should have done something but I don't think he could have. He had tried telling his parents before that his brother was wrong about his old boyfriend and we all saw how that ended.

He's "assisting crime"???? Excuse you but his family cut ties with him. He has no obligation to any of these people. No one was ever there for him. And you expect him to actually care for anyone? He left his house for this. But his brother comes looking for trouble. You keep viewing the brother as an angel but God damn he's an asshole. Sure the little brother has his own problems (probably) but the MC is not in the wrong here. You need to open your eyes and actually understand a situation before going at it with your keyboard.

You say you can't sympathize but I think you're just being and ass because you want to seem like you're doing the right thing by speaking up for that underage Satan.

Welcome to my Ted talk. Grab a cookie on your way out.

Preach

Lol your end words. Good job explaining btw.

Let me summarize the points.

-20 is the age of marriage, 16-18 is the age of consent. Let's be clear about that. Or you can just google.

1) 'Telling' somebody won't solve the problems.

2) Putting an 'immature' kid into a mental hospital for immature acts is just pure brutality. That doesn't make sense. Mashiro might be protecting the lil bro in his own way.

3) Sounds like lies to make him look less pathetic. He's not interested in anyone else - he ignored others who tried to pick him up.

4)-Pedophiles are for those who targeted children under 13. Is his brother looks under 13 to you? That's too cruel to lump the bf together with them. Yes, he's a douchebag, but no pedophile. But I'll take that point where it's sex with minor. But the age of consent is 16-18. So we'll leave it there unless his age is revealed.

-Mashiro is not in his best judgment. He apparently took his lover's words harder than he should, and lost judgment about his brother's actions.

5) Lil bro is not a prostitute. Mashiro ain't letting things be that way too if that's how he sees it. Rather than ignoring, he 'surrenders' to his brother's whim. Have it your way, bro.

Mashiro after all is still immature inside. Other adults his age do drugs, get drunk, party all night, fuck her and there etc. He's just one of those. So don't expect him to do mighty things like you would.

The cookie was good. Thanks for ted talk hun