alex's Topics (68)

Yes he deserved that eye pluck I too dont see it as an extreme reaction lol but he also wronged to some extent not ofc as much as seth but if we are to deepdive into it they both are wrong and have wronged each other so ppl shouldnt be nitpicking sides.

He didnt rape him tho? Also wdym again? If u are referring to s1 then that was against his will. He was affected by mirror illusion and seth was there to rape him first anyway. Also horus didnt want it n regretted doing it. He's a victim of that scene like seth. Also neph isnt even in mirror anymore and horus knows shes not there. He was throwing a fit n having a crashout cuz of his insecurities he didnt break the mirror to keep her locked forever. If he had such intentions then he wouldnt have given nephtys the blue gem to navigate her way out of void in secret village chapter. Yes he's very wrong n immature for hiding allat from seth but we gotta see where this lacking comes from. They just barely begun and didnt get enough time to properly flesh out their relationship before all this. Seth's nature, his behavior n attitude towards love n ppl around him also influences horus insecurities. (Im not blaming seth. He's the way he is cuz of osirishit)
Also horus is remorseful tho? Like he woke upp all battered and bandaged and his first thought is abt seth's well being. Hes not budged by thots purposeful instigation against seth. He's still refusing ascenssion for seth and you'll see him blame himself in future chapters too dont worry abt that part.

Its unfortunate really for seth who had his family robbed from him but if u go beyond the layers you'd see his entire marriage was a orchestrated sham by osiris to keep him sedated n chained by his side. He kept breaking seth's soul and made nephyths heal him again n again n again. Over the course of time he made them marry each other for his own goals. Seth did love nephyths but this love of his is different. Its an unhealthy and borderline dependency. More than them loving each other n seeing each other's truest sides they fullfill your traditional norms of duty loyalty n fidelity which u see seth exhibit even now. Its not for love that he's scrambling to her side but partly because by nature he's a very man of honor kinda guy who feels he has a responsibility towards his kin esp upon realising that he's unjustly assumed the worst abt her n tortured her for it.

Sorry did I miss out smth?? I only remember the one time that horus assaulted seth under the influence of sekmeth's spell? Not that I condone it but y'all be hating on horus for no reason. Save the hatred for that green alien who has done everything intentionally up till now and is still not stopping

Yep horus needed that, because bro was being selfish

True. His major flaws are being hot headed rash and insecurities related to seth. Also he's still a newbie interms of life experiences compared to the others who are wayyy older than him. He literally grew up in uncertain life threatening dreadful starvation condition. To be so emotionally attuned is alrdy great of him. But I wanna see him develope his own personality without seth in the picture for a while. At his core horus isnt selfish per se. He truly sees seth for who he is and accepts him with all his rights n wrongs. He knows seth values family and would put them first over anyone else. Even himself. And its precisely because of this reason that he let his immature selfish side get the best of him temporarily. Knowing the one u love doesnt prioritise u as much as he's prioritizes ex wife n kid is one kind of pain but seeing your beloved get hurt again and again as consequences of these very priorities (osiris using anubis n neph time n time again to blackmail n do shit against seth) would test even the most patient of saints

Yess thas what, in that critical moment he was being selfish

DUDE FOR REAL?? These ppl piss me off

Uh that's....noooo

if that happens i'm dropping this. rape for the sake of traumatizing the ML is a big no for me. it's fine as a backstory but if they glorify it i quit.

i feel like i hope i know this author better than that tbh

Rape during a story doesn't mean it's being glorified. If they treat it as a serious issue and depict the negative gravity of it correctly, then it isn't glorifying. If it's turned into something attractive or done for the sake of depicting it and nothing else, that's when it's glorifying.

But don't you think it's so unnecessary?? Like why do they even need to add rape to all the possible trauma he has?! Istg if the author makes jaeha rape taegun I'm dropping this shit for good!

Because it would add more psychological depth and build onto the characters lack of safety and sense of betrayal. I personally love stories where it all feels like it's getting better before it all falls apart and crumbles. Obviously if you don't like those stories you won't have much interest in it but stories that depict rape as a plot point are not inherently glorifying it.

thanks, that's exactly what I meant when I said I was hoping for it. it feels like it would be the final nail in the coffin, especially now that he's getting comfortable and starting to like it w eunsung, the pain would be that much worsen and thus that much tastier for me. mind you, its the resulting pain and betrayal that I like reading about, not the rape itself (in this case).
rape is more often than not depicted terribly in bls, glorified and romanticised and forgiven, but I found that when done correctly, shown as the horrifying act it really is, it adds a depth and another layer to the hurt and the angst that I personally really like.
of course, most of the time its brushed off and forgotten in a few chapters, especially when its done by the ml and that's just bad taste

I understand where you’re coming from… but dont you think there are many other plot devices that can be used to attain that other than …. Rape? Specially a character who seems like has been through sexual trauma in the past already

i agree. there's a difference between using trauma as a backstory and using trauma as a plot device. one is used to create character depth and another is lazy writing that relies on shock value. depending on the kind of story you want to read, either can be fine but in this case i think that would be a terrible choice. i do not believe this author is that kind of writer. i hope i am not wrong.

People who have previously been through sexual trauma are more likely to experience sexual trauma in the future than the average population, being revictimised. Why is it bad to depict rape as a plot device? It's a real thing that happens to real people, can often on multiple occassions.

but that's the point. let's be clear, I was talking about what *i* wanted to read about and that's pain, angst, and suffering. the way I see it, this can be done in two ways in this story: either taegun gets raped again, or he loses eunsung in some way (he dies or leaves).
seeing as this is obviously a story w an happy ending, eunsung will be perfectly fine by the end of it, so to achieve the level or angst I like it has to go just one way.
there are many ways he could be hurt, rape is just the worst one, and thus the one I want. again, its not about the act itself, its about the pain that follows. in any story I like, I want the MC to suffer in the most terrible ways, and for taegun, that just happens to be rape.
so, no, I dont think there are any other plot devices to attain what I want, because for that to happen to taegun again, especially using eunsung and especially by jaeha, is just the worst thing that could happen

Okay dude we get it, you like seeing people get raped, don't need to defend it that hard

LMFAO, media literacy would do wonders for you

THANK YOU I thought it was going insane like did i not literally say it wasn't about that so much so the devastation it causes??? like, explicitly stated that
had me doubting myself for a minute, the horror

Agreed

This is a genuine question that I am genuinely curious about and I am interested in your answer. Is it possible, in your opinion, to depict trauma during a story, not in backstory, where you don't consider it lazy writing or for shock value? Or do you think all depictions of trauma when writing a story, specifically sexual trauma if it matters, are lazy writing and for shock value? Because I agree that yes sometimes it can be that way but I also think there are great depictions of characters experiencing trauma as part of the plot that deepens character development and realistically reflects the experiences of trauma survivors.

It is now considered lazy writing because MOST of these stories go that way. It even becomes cliche. It really gets to a point. For once, this is a story that isn't entirely cliche and has its own twist to it and what Alex wants to happen is too... cliche? Predictable? Not really it? Could be better? More dramatic? Idk its not quite itttt nahhh. Could be better honestly but sadly not entirely impossible since like I said its the route most take
┑(￣Д ￣)┍ even worse when they handle it horribly. We're traumatized by shitty plots and concluded that no one can portray this well, it always just happens and brushed aside to move on with happily ever after by the next chapter, sometimes even the next Pannel.

But yes, if written good then it wouldn't be a bad plot device, the thing is I can only see it going the generic way. He pretends to be him, before anything 'serious' happens his man saaaavessss the dayyyyy. The bad guy gets caught, finally brought into the light, then the bad guy decides to give up on the victim, moves away or shamed by the public (doesnt goes to prison cuz idk that doesn't exist here ig, only no face side characters gets to see the police), victim is magically okay and decides to date the love interest or say i love you and then they fuck into the sunset. The even worse route is when he really does rape him, get caught, the whole sha-bang then the couple does some dumbass shit like "where did he touch you, imma touch you/ kiss you there to erase his existence" then the victim is magically okay after with the power of love or some shit. It just makes it look like the creator treats the act itself and how it really affects victims lightly,"no big deal, Imma just make this guy rape him just so the two couple (the bottom mainly in most stories) can see how much they love each other."
The only time IIIIII, MEEEE, IIIII, have ever read it being depicted well is when the rape happened in the past and we are seeing how they struggle with it, even better when there are little things in their mannerisms that the characters themselves arent aware of but are noticeable for most of the audience. It shows that the creator gave it thought and went into detail, love that. Anyways,
I am open to reading what you really had in mind though or was it really just that you want to see this character more traumatized than the thing already is? Cuz when you said that all what I just said in the beginning was all I was getting. Lmk thank yew

Also why are you shocked you're getting the reaction that you got? It's like announcing in a room full of people that loves a kitten that you hope that the kitten get hit by a car, gets close to death but never actually crosses the line and isn't given anything to numb the pain so it's feeling everything as it slowly heals but can never actually fully heal from.

And this case the kitten ALREADY has scars from a previous car accident that it isn't even healed from yet (or never truly will be but I think you get the point)

And the people in the room loves the kitten so much that they come just to see him every week and waits patiently until the doctor gets off from break just to see the kitten again. They are very emotionally attached to this kitten and normally people don't want to see something or someone they love get hurt and genuinely watches to see them get better and fears the worst ever happening to them again. You get what im saying?

I wasn't asking you buddy

I wasn't talking to you earlier either yet you responded, what's the problem?

Gotta agree with your arguements. Overall i dont like rape as a plot device for personal reasons. But if its done well it wouldnt be a problem. Problem is, were talking about YAOI. Where rape scenes get brushed off 99% of the time and not properly addressed. And as you said taking into consideration the uke is already hurt enough, i really dont think this is what the story needs. And more angst could be achieved in other ways, it would just feel like lazy writing and lack of creativity.
And yeah, thats an open discussion so i dont see why getting mad at someone for answering

Rightttt! And now when I ask them to argue their case more they go silent

The fact that you called him, your brother in Christ.. he don’t deserve that title.. this boy dumb.. if the rapture comes, this bitch ain’t gonna know which way to go

The "LETHAL" killed the shit outta me

This comment made me fall in love with you ngl

You are so dumb n if you don’t care for him STOP READING ur only gonna make urself mad coming into to the comments to rant like a dumbass thinking that’s gonna change the fact that doc is STILL gonna go back to him no matter what that’s just how the story goes and that’s what we call “character development “ if yk what those words even mean yea it’s does not justify the ways he acted towards doc but his backstory tells yu y he did it

Finally someone who says it. I’m feeling really sorry for JK child version cos’ no child should be treated like that. However adult JK is a jerk. What he did to Dan is fucked up and a sappy back story doesn’t justify his fracking actions. He is a and should be a thousand miles away from Dan. If anything this back story only irks me more. The author always does this. In BJ Alex the guy also had a sad story and we were supposed to be like “oh ok, all forgiven then. You just couldn’t help but be an abusive jerk. Poor innocent soul”. This is getting ridiculous.

Sorry, I really needed to rant