I keep seeing people saying that Dan should leave JK and JK is toxic blah blah. That may b...

sofia29 September 12, 2023 9:41 pm

I keep seeing people saying that Dan should leave JK and JK is toxic blah blah. That may be the case if they’re lovers, but they’re not. They’re in a paid relationship guys. Dan is with JK to pay his debt and JK is with Dan for sex. It’s purely transactional rn. Idk why the readers keep jumping the gun and being like “that’s not how you should treat your partner”

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    XieLianForever6969 June 16, 2024 9:12 pm
    Oh no don't get me wrong, I'm not with the other it's just me and sorry if offended you, I'm just saying this situation is not a rape, the Jk attitude is trash I know that but the situation itself regarding the... Ot7_BL@-@

    im so sorry i feel like its kinda redundant to reply to this though, its been a year, how did you even find this comment thread?????????

    Ot7_BL@-@ June 17, 2024 3:35 am
    im so sorry i feel like its kinda redundant to reply to this though, its been a year, how did you even find this comment thread????????? XieLianForever6969

    I'm feeling a bit lost right now . Honestly, I really dislike scrolling through Jinx's comment section, but somehow I always end up getting involved. Jaekyung is a terrible person and behaves badly, but legally speaking, he's not a rapist. I don't condone Jaekyung's behavior at all, and I don't support him in any way, but we have to acknowledge that he doesn't fit the legal definition of a rapist, even though he can be quite foolish. What intrigues me the most about this story is unraveling Jaekyung's true identity. Specifically, his past, what drives his obsession with winning and fighting so passionately. I'm curious to understand what motivates him to be so deeply invested in MMA. We already know Dan's story, and he truly deserves happiness with someone who appreciates him and cares for him. However, my focus lies on understanding Jaekyung as a person - his past experiences, motivations, the reasons behind his intense desire for victory, and why he struggles to trust others. This exploration doesn't excuse his actions in any way; it's simply an attempt to comprehend his character better out of psychological curiosity. I find it challenging to grasp emotions in general, so dissecting them through literature or movies fascinates me greatly. Above all else, hearing different perspectives intrigues me. Also, I'm sorry about the negative comments you received when you shared that your family members are survivors of rape - that must have been tough to deal with. I can relate since I also went through something similar at the age of 9 which actually inspired me to pursue law school. Hopefully, your family is doing better now too.
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    XieLianForever6969 June 17, 2024 7:17 am
    I'm feeling a bit lost right now . Honestly, I really dislike scrolling through Jinx's comment section, but somehow I always end up getting involved. Jaekyung is a terrible person and behaves badly, but legally... Ot7_BL@-@

    tsym i understand what youre getting at and by definition Jaekyung isnt a rapist, the reason why i say he's a rapist is because Dan didn't have a choice in the matter. he was being chased by loan sharks and he had to support his grandma, which is why he had to accept the deal; he didn't have the option of saying yes or no, and that's why i consider it rape, because he couldn't give his consent freely with the option of declining. i do understand your point though and i don't have a problem with anything that you're saying

    Ot7_BL@-@ June 17, 2024 11:58 pm
    tsym i understand what youre getting at and by definition Jaekyung isnt a rapist, the reason why i say he's a rapist is because Dan didn't have a choice in the matter. he was being chased by loan sharks and he... XieLianForever6969

    I understand your point of view. His consent would have been stronger if his grandmother wasn't in the hospital. My point is that when Jaekyung made his offer, he had no idea of Dan's predicament. So he wasn't pushing him or manipulating him based on his difficulties. If Jaekyung had known, it would have portrayed him as a manipulative and harmful character, even a rapist. But this was not the case. He was looking for sex, while Kim Dan needed money. For Jaekyung, Dan seemed willing to trade his body for $5,000, and for Dan, even if he wasn't thrilled about it, Jaekyung represented a chance to raise enough money to pay his grandmother's medical bills and debts. The real problem here isn't really Jaekyung; rather, it's poor Dan's dire circumstances that prevent him from making clear choices for himself. Jaekyung, on the other hand, has serious problems: he's vain, selfish and aggressive. He tends to think that everything revolves around him and can act impulsively from time to time. Yet, in the midst of all this negativity, there are contradictory glimmers of goodness in him - like the time he spent with Dan's grandmother when he could have just ignored the hospital call. This part of him makes me wonder about his past and what shaped him into the fool he is today.
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    And if he was just a fucking rich young master, I'm gonna kick his ass (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ ┗( T﹏T )┛

    sofia29 June 18, 2024 2:40 am
    tsym i understand what youre getting at and by definition Jaekyung isnt a rapist, the reason why i say he's a rapist is because Dan didn't have a choice in the matter. he was being chased by loan sharks and he... XieLianForever6969

    Hi sorry to interrupt, but I got the notification and curiously read. I understand where you’re coming from but I feel like what you’re describing is prostitution rather than rape. Most people in that field are going through hard times and have no choice but to sell their bodies. Although circumstances pushed them to enter that field, but ultimately a choice was made. This is by no means blaming or minimizing people’s circumstances, but I just want to iron out the terms.

    XieLianForever6969 June 18, 2024 4:18 am
    Hi sorry to interrupt, but I got the notification and curiously read. I understand where you’re coming from but I feel like what you’re describing is prostitution rather than rape. Most people in that field... sofia29

    i also consider prostitution rape, since the victim is forced to have sex without a choice. i feel like i didn't use the right words, but the person who is having sex with them isnt a rapist, since they arent the one forcing it upon them. jaekyung specifically is a rapist by my terms because even during the sex, he is extremely forceful and does things that dan doesn't want to do. i know that dan is being paid and it isnt rape because dan agreed to the sex through the contract, but jaekyung is aware that dan is resisting and forces it upon him. additionally, if you read it again, jaekyung raped dan before the contract was made and before he was paid.

    Pee June 18, 2024 9:45 am
    i also consider prostitution rape, since the victim is forced to have sex without a choice. i feel like i didn't use the right words, but the person who is having sex with them isnt a rapist, since they arent t... XieLianForever6969

    DAMN YALL STILL GOING??????

    Pee June 18, 2024 9:54 am
    Let me correct you please, it's not rape. Jk is a scumbag, I do agree with that but don't just go around and spreading bullshit about rape. This situation is not a rape, I don't say Dan enjoyed it's beacause th... Ot7_BL@-@

    Having an on going deal with sexual relations doesnt mean you can jump on them any time and its automatically consent if i remember correctly, dan did not want to have sex in the public showers and told him to stop??? I may be incorrect but honestly its been like a year or at least many months since this thread started and i dont really care anymore. People have their own interpretations of things whether i think its morally wrong or not and i cant change that especially not over a manga site... Legally i dont believe dan would be able to take action anyways, but i still do believe that was rape or at least some sort of sexual assault. No victims need court or the law to validate their trauma to make other people truly believe they are a victim and thats the way i see it, though i understand where ur coming from!! Have a nice day

    XieLianForever6969 June 18, 2024 10:29 am
    DAMN YALL STILL GOING?????? Pee

    welcome back dawg

    Ot7_BL@-@ June 19, 2024 3:18 am
    Having an on going deal with sexual relations doesnt mean you can jump on them any time and its automatically consent if i remember correctly, dan did not want to have sex in the public showers and told him to... Pee

    I think I understand what you're saying and you're absolutely right. Personally I don't think I like Jaekyung or am attached to his character. He just intrigues me as a character. I suffer from alexithimia, for me understanding human emotions is quite a struggle, I just know that when tears run down my cheeks it means I'm sad and when I get this heavy feeling in my heart after doing something wrong, that's guilt. Sometimes I wonder what it's like to love, what it's like to love. I wonder if I love my parents or my friends, when I think of their deaths I get tears in my eyes, which means I'm sad so maybe I love them. Understanding emotions is a serious problem, whether they're my own or those of others. I don't judge by actions or words, humans and their feelings are too complex for me. That's why I analyze people, I want to know Jaekyung for me it's not even the yaoi that really interests me but why he is the way he is. I'd like to understand, my doctor said that everyone is the way they are through experience, and that experiences play a huge part in our personality and character. So I want to know why he is the way he is. Dan is a little angel, I think, and he deserves to be happy, even if I'm not familiar with the word. I'm logical in my analysis, I don't put feelings into anything, so I may seem heartless but I don't mean to.

    Ot7_BL@-@ June 19, 2024 3:38 am
    Having an on going deal with sexual relations doesnt mean you can jump on them any time and its automatically consent if i remember correctly, dan did not want to have sex in the public showers and told him to... Pee

    For the shower scene, I analyzed what I saw and read. Dan didn't want to do it in a public place where they could be seen, he was afraid of being found out, he wasn't really afraid of sleeping with Jaekyung. But Jaekyung is a forcer and an egoist, he thinks about his pleasure and above all he wants to have fun with Dan. I think he wanted to embarrass him, but you have to understand that Jk, being someone who's focused on nothing but himself, doesn't understand that someone doesn't like what he's doing. My psychologist often says that humans tend to see themselves in others, thinking that because they're a certain way, others must be the same too, which makes me want to find out more about Jaekyung's character. I'm analyzing logically, not sentimentally, Dan was saying yes to the sex and no to the place, should I consider that rape? According to the very legal definition of the word "NO" but if we take into account what you say about Dan's mixed feelings then "YES" I'd say yes and in that case it's a question of point of view. From Dan's and many readers' point of view it is rape, Dan didn't agree with the location. But if we start from the legal point of view then no it wasn't rape, he did consent but he just didn't like the place, then it's the partner's moral responsibility to make sure Dan's okay with the place but we're talking about Jk and he's selfish. For me I really think that it's not rape Jk is just a scumbag but not a rapist. I understand what you say and you are also right, I'm just a kind of very logic person not the emotional one, I'm really really sorry if I said something bad, forgive if I do.

    Thank you for this exchange. ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

    Pee June 19, 2024 11:49 pm
    For the shower scene, I analyzed what I saw and read. Dan didn't want to do it in a public place where they could be seen, he was afraid of being found out, he wasn't really afraid of sleeping with Jaekyung. Bu... Ot7_BL@-@

    Honestly, i understand wanting to learn about characters personalities on a deeper note and understanding why the way they are but i usually look for that in psychological horrors since i dont really like when these types of characters are 'romanticized' in a way i guess? Because i am pretty sure the author intends for jk and dan to be together and i mostly only understand the interest in toxic relationships in a more deeper psychological type of story, not really a yaoi and dont worry you didnt say anything bad in my opinion! With more context its understandable how you view this

    Ot7_BL@-@ June 20, 2024 6:30 am
    Honestly, i understand wanting to learn about characters personalities on a deeper note and understanding why the way they are but i usually look for that in psychological horrors since i dont really like when ... Pee

    It's important for me to read any kind of romance, even toxic ones, to protect myself. I'm not familiar with emotions and some people take advantage of that. I've been in toxic relationships before without noticing it, just because I didn't understand anything. One tried to drown me in a swimming pool by pushing my head under the water and the other made me "love him" I think. At the time I was thinking that it wouldn't do anything like usual, I don't feel anything and I don't understand anything but there I was crying, there were tears on my cheeks, it hurt, he told me he loved me and when I started to "love him" I guess? He told me he'd never loved me. It was just to break me, I cried without understanding why, I hurt without understanding why. Books on psychology and the analysis of emotions helped me understand that I "loved him", that was the origin of the pain. "Love", a feeling I didn't even understand, a feeling that hurt. So I read, I read a lot to find out what love should be, what love shouldn't be, what toxicity is, what a red flag is, how to love, how not to hurt, how to treat someone you love like in "Sign language" or in "Exclusive No-Love Zone (except the secondary couple)" and what not to do like in "No reason" "Jinx" or "Paper Flower". I don't really know how I feel, but it helps me to understand, to read through people. If I can't understand the emotion, I can at least analyze and understand the person, that's what I tell myself. I'm like a blind woman with two healthy eyes when it comes to emotions, I feel them without understanding them, when I cry I don't even know if it's from joy or sadness. When I hurt, I don't know if it's physical or emotional. My understanding of emotions is like a lightless tunnel in which I lose myself. So, analyzing is my only weapon against this invisible and incomprehensible enemy.


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    MamaRead January 3, 2025 4:09 pm

    YES!

    Doppye February 2, 2025 5:04 pm

    Ah a new perspective has opened up! Thank you

    Doppye February 2, 2025 5:31 pm
    I looked at your already read. Killing stalking is the only one I read a little and dropped. So I read like the first 16 chapters and the ending. Imagine telling someone to kill them selves over this. Killing s... Tmsmyz

    Hmmm Bum was molested by his uncle and raped hy Sangwoo...his parents already died and he's an only child... you had me until that.

    bbyvvitch February 3, 2025 9:57 am
    While I personally don’t really agree with JK’s harsh sex habits. I don’t think this is classified as rape. This is sex work. Dan gave his consent before the relationship started “anywhere anytime” w... sofia29

    POWER IMBALANCE. nough said. Jaek has an obvious power and authority over dan. it’s rape stop making excuses. He consented under duress.

    god is TIAN JIA RUI February 3, 2025 12:04 pm

    I know I can mute this, but damn ya're all insanely funny.
    This start in 2023, now 2025 is still ongoing.
    Idk if excusing abuse and rape can be an interesting topic.

    Doppye February 3, 2025 12:26 pm
    that is exactly why hes unable to quit, yes, obviously hes able to quit, but he cant because his grandma is dying and loan sharks are after him, im so glad you understand why he cant! its so gross that people a... XieLianForever6969

    . . . This...is very wrong. Liek completely left.

    Pee February 4, 2025 4:21 pm

    can yall leave this alone now i rhought one of my. mangas got excited and i opened my notifs to rhis ancient forum