i’ll be dropping this in advance after reading the spoilers. this is just another bullsh...

Ummm.. okaii.. as a straight woman myself i would like to point out that we don’t get off to that shit as do most straight women.

i’m so glad you feel that way, but that is simply not true. most if not all stories like this are written by women for women. if you don’t get off to it then great, i’m not talking about you.

Thanks for this I didn't see the spoilers I'll be dropping this too

Ikr…i read the novel because the beginning of the manhwa really cought me. 2 hot guys, on two opposite sides. I loved the chemistry and the cat-mouse fight between them. I kinda enjoyed the novel until…the rape scenes started. Then the Stockholm syndrome. And after the good beginning these stuffs just ruined the novel for me. I skipped nearly all “smut” scenes and just wanted to know how it ends. Honestly if the auther wrote the story without rape it would have been a good novel.

You’re literally generalizing then telling people if it doesn’t apply you’re not talking to them? Make it make sense

yup! <3 i never said all straight women. i was very clearly talking about straight women who get off to stories romantisizing or excusing rape and abuse between gay men, if you dont do those things i’m not talking about you! hope this helped. :)

the concept is literally so fun and interesting it could have been so good. so many stories like this are ruined by the same rape and stockholm sydrome shit it’s so disappointing.

Thats not what generalization means but ok

I need yall to read actual geicomi ("bara"), and come back to me saying "uwuuwuw only women write rape in BL for other women!! uwu" you would be laughed out of the room.
None of yall would last one manga of the geicomi genre, which would be fine because each to their own, but the fact that yall INSIST noncon fantasies is exclusive to female writers/readers is embarrassing. Its just loudly telling on yourselves.

how to tell someone has not read BL by actual gay men lmao

RIGHT they just wanna hate on women so bad

i never said only women either but thanks so much for your input <3

sorry that i feel disgusted and violated by the way straight women treat and write about gay men? weird ass response bro

also gay men have the right to write disgusting rape fantasies about gay men. that was never a point i brought up at all lol.

You certainly implied it!
"dogshit violent rape story made for straight women to get off to."
"most if not all stories like this are written by women for women."
If you only mention women and no one else, then yeah, it comes off as ur only talking about women. This is the bed you made, just lie in it and admit thats what u were talking about lmao

lmaoooo by this logic ur saying ur completely fine with straight men writing violent rape fantasies about straight women and vice versa. Also what about bi people? are they only allowed to write rape scenes between explicitly bi people? what about gender queer or NB folks? God, what about ace folks? are they not allowed porn in general.
Anyone is allowed to write porn, please get that stick out of your ass and do some introspection on why you care so much. I promise you will be happier when u stop caring about this, I know cause I sounded like you like 3-4 years ago.

The point is that its just fiction, it can make u uncomfortable and u don't have to like/read it, thats fair. Just stop moralizing over it.

are you fucking stupid? are you just going to ignore the history and nuance of sensitive topics like using people from a community that isn’t your own as a sexual fetish and the ramifications of viewing groups of people that way? this is not a black and white issue. besides it’s not my place to say how other communities feel about being used in such a way.

it’s not lol that was just your assumption. “most of not all stories like this are written by women for women” is quite literally only talking about how yaoi and bl, especially the toxic shit, is mostly made by women for women. this is a well known fact. that’s literally the origin of yaoi in general. “dogshit violent rape stories made for straight women to get off to” when did i say every straight woman got off to using the rape of gay men as their fap material? all i said was that they are the target demographic for this shit. you’re just assuming incorrectly, that’s not my fault.

and u clearly do not know a single thing about how psychology plays into kink and why ppl have rape fantasies in the first place (hint! rape fantasies as usually imagined from the victim perspective, and is often about reclaiming control, desensitizing, and tone changing to heal). Noncon in fiction is also an incredibly nuanced subject.
Then have you considered not speaking on the genre in general, when its not an element exclusive to mlm?

"this is a well known fact. that’s literally the origin of yaoi in general." thats adorable, do you have a source for that? has the same energy as the person who claimed "yaoi" was made to prop up the WW2 economy lmao
Im begging yall to read an actual peer reviewed journal and not some 14yr old tripping on twitter

are u actually serious? ur views are incredibly clear but u want to argue semantics of how u said it??? Why the hell would u keep going back to women if that was not what u had the problem with. Like ur saying ur "not mad at women being the demographic or writers behind mlm noncon fantasies", then what are you saying??? what are u mad about???

oh my god can you not read or are you being intentionally dense? yaoi was created a long time ago as an outlet for women in japan to escape the sexism and misogyny they faced in real life. god knows why they had to use gay men but whatever, thats what happened. where did i say i wasnt mad at women being the demographic or writers behind mlm noncon fantasies?? learn to read for the love of god. the majority of yaoi and bl creators are women and their intended demographic is almost always other women. that makes me sick. no woman should be using gay men as their rape fantasy subjects. it’s fetishizing and dehumanizing.