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ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 12:08 pm

I have quite a bit of a problem here.
I simply don't get it. The more I read them, the less I understand. These Dom sub... Verse?

I already had a hard time with omegaverse and honestly, I have turn off my brain completely while putting all my focus on one thing that I find nice when I read one, but in this dom sub thing, it just doesn't work.

First, are the authors trying to... Like, legitimate and randomise BDSM? And make it credible on a biological level?
In omegaverses, they still use biological functions and mix them between sex and, uh... Cat. Biting the female neck is a cat thing, to prevent her from running away because male cats have thorns on their penises. The whole heat/rut is also a cat thing, the nest thing as well (for pregnant females) and so on.
It's honestly pure bullshit but at least we can trace the origins, the process behind the creation of this.... Thing.
I guess the first creator of omegaverse had a weird zoophilic fetish?

But what about this dom sub stuff?
How did they come to make it a subgender and stick biological reactions in it?

Thus, I don't understand the biology of this.
They say there are Dom's

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subs, switches and normals. Which mean it is not normal, right?
So what about these "sub levels" and why are they always seeing a generalist doctor instead of a psychiatrist? Where does it come from, what kind of... Hormones? Are at work here?
Or is it some kind of illness?

Is it a way to romanticise bondage and domination plays?
But ... Why?!?


I seriously cannot wrap my head around it.

Responses
    Jamie October 29, 2023 3:26 pm

    I’m happy someone else is logical like me and also isn’t a big fan of omegaverse.

    My brain was trying to understand this as well! My brain is still trying to understand how they know when a female is born in the omegaverse. I know they get tested in elementary school for the secondary gender but what about their main gender? Like my point is, what sets them apart as kids? because as adults you can clearly tell a female alpha apart from a male one due to her being feminine. I’m going insane and wanna talk to the creators and pick their brains

    Like I get it’s just a store and doesn’t have much meaning but I’m the type of person who needs answers

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 3:33 pm
    I’m happy someone else is logical like me and also isn’t a big fan of omegaverse.My brain was trying to understand this as well! My brain is still trying to understand how they know when a female is born in... Jamie

    Yes true! I wondered as well and tried to find yuri or hetero omegaverses to get answers but I haven't found a single one!!

    Omegaverse seems to be exclusive to yaoi but if anyone knows of other genres omegaverse, feel free to share it! We need answers!

    And on this domsubverse as well starting with the name? I don't even know how to call it... Even if you don't agree with me, ESPECIALLY if you don't agree.

    I'm genuinely trying to understand.

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 3:35 pm
    Yes true! I wondered as well and tried to find yuri or hetero omegaverses to get answers but I haven't found a single one!!Omegaverse seems to be exclusive to yaoi but if anyone knows of other genres omegaverse... ThingOfEvil

    BDSMverse maybe?

    Jamie October 29, 2023 4:05 pm
    Yes true! I wondered as well and tried to find yuri or hetero omegaverses to get answers but I haven't found a single one!!Omegaverse seems to be exclusive to yaoi but if anyone knows of other genres omegaverse... ThingOfEvil

    This is why I think they don’t have it for yuri because it would turn basically hetero unless they make the alpha have both parts. I feel like hetero wouldn’t really need a omegaverse since the males are already controlling and females can get pregnant. I’m not going to lie but I get annoyed when they put a girl in BL or a guy in GL that isn’t family and starts unnecessary drama Like I like the idea of my favorite couples having kids but they could’ve just left out the other stuff lol

    Also do female betas and omegas have vaginas? I mean I know that isn’t the point since it’s about cis men but I wanna know lol

    I also realized when a couple have a baby it’s always male, are they assuming until puberty? I can’t remember the couple’s name but they said they had a girl and that’s what made me question the main gender part

    I saw others call it subverse, which makes it seem like sub and switch, when you say omegaverse…..we automatically know what you mean

    Min October 29, 2023 5:12 pm

    This is just someones fetish content why are you two trying to big brain the biological properties of a made up human sub species

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 6:27 pm
    This is just someones fetish content why are you two trying to big brain the biological properties of a made up human sub species Min

    OF COURSE I'm asking myself questions, I'm not watching reality-tv here so I obviously want to find some kind of meaning and logic in this new trend.
    There are more and more of those.

    If I could be satisfied with nonsensical shits I would just go to contemporary art performances.

    Also some people seem to like it, so there must be something that I don't understand yet.

    It can t be some pure bullshit fetish for horny rebellious teenagers, I'm sure there is more to it.
    I HOPE there is more to it or else, it is just very dangerous to randomise BDSM, this is not to be taken lightly.

    I'm having flashbacks of the Vietnam when 50 shades of grey came out and all the kids suddenly started to find it hot and attractive, lots put themselves in harm way physically and mentally, remember?
    Let's take some time to reflect on things, THIS doesn't hurt anyone.

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 6:39 pm
    This is why I think they don’t have it for yuri because it would turn basically hetero unless they make the alpha have both parts. I feel like hetero wouldn’t really need a omegaverse since the males are al... Jamie

    Well according to lots of explanations on these omegaverses, males omega have a womb lind to their anus, the problem lies with female alphas who seem to have... A penis.

    At some point I just told myself that the extra stuff must grow like some kind of weird ass mushroom at puberty.

    I've read some times ago a manga where an omega boy gets raped by the female apha sister of his boyfriend (something like that) so I supposed even in hetero there could be an omegaverse concept. Couldn't find it though xD

    Oh, there are some baby girls in omegaverse, but my assumption is that since gay shit are mainly aimed at women, they assumed that we'd prefer baby boys? Just a wild guess on my part, I have not even the shadow of a proof x')

    As for the name of this new trend, regarding the comment of that other reader I'm about to personally rename it sexual russian roulette verse. I'm even more unsatisfied now ><

    GhostBear October 29, 2023 6:56 pm

    I can't speak for every Omegaverse, but for the most part they are raised as "normal"/beta kids until they get their secondary gender. So they do have male/female standards and stuff that we have. So when babies are born they do in fact have biologically female/male genitals. Hence "boy" and "girl". So yes, beta females and Omega females have vaginas. Only biological mysteries are Omega males don't generally have vaginas but do have "wombs" that they develop in puberty, and that female alphas are able to extend their clitoris into (psuedo?)dicks that can impregnate. Yes there are Yuri Oemgaverse, can't name some off the top of my head but if you're really curious search for it lol, they can be pretty cute. There are also A female/O male, A female/O female, A male/O female, O male/O male that I have seen as side pairings (sometimes even as mains SuperRARE) I was an avid ABO reader (aka the original "omegaverse" created in the west in ye old days) where it was alot less mpreg and more fated pair A male× O female werewolf stuff lolol. Any more questions? I'll try best to answer

    Min October 29, 2023 7:09 pm
    OF COURSE I'm asking myself questions, I'm not watching reality-tv here so I obviously want to find some kind of meaning and logic in this new trend.There are more and more of those.If I could be satisfied with... ThingOfEvil

    "It can't be some pure bullshit fetish for horny rebellious teenagers, I'm sure there is more to it."

    The more to it is that it recreated the (sadly) normalized and romantized relationship dynamic of cishet couples where the woman is submissive to her partner and in turn gets protected, cared for etc. But reality isn't actually that nice so reading stories where women aren't featured in any major way is a safe way to indulgence in that fantasy.

    And no I do not remember kids suddenly "starting to put themselves in harms way" after fifty shades, bdsm just got explored more in bad wattpad fanfiction or whatever ╥﹏╥

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 7:23 pm
    "It can't be some pure bullshit fetish for horny rebellious teenagers, I'm sure there is more to it."The more to it is that it recreated the (sadly) normalized and romantized relationship dynamic of cishet coup... Min

    Wow that sucks. I'm looking for logic where the only explanation is gay BDSM is cool?
    I'm disappointed.

    In France it was a mess. Many 12-18 girls suddenly started to think it was cool, the grooming expanded significantly as kids would think they'd get closer to this "adult world" where a grown ass man buys you stuff and sexual interactions became way less innocent.
    Thankfully most of them wouldn't ask to be hit more after getting bitchslapped one time but some others wouldn't want to lose face and ended up with more or less serious traumas.

    That movie did no good in real life, as for wattpad and all, pretty sure they reacted more to the book, which was more violent and explicit but there's a WORLD between people who read and people who watch. For some reason people who read tend to think more than those babysitted by TV.

    Also the book certainly didn't cause the same uproar here than that shitty movie, don't even know why it was made seriously.

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 7:26 pm
    I can't speak for every Omegaverse, but for the most part they are raised as "normal"/beta kids until they get their secondary gender. So they do have male/female standards and stuff that we have. So when babie... GhostBear

    Like hyenas?!!! XD
    Is2g the one who came up with the concept of omegaverse had zoophilic issues x')

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 7:27 pm
    I can't speak for every Omegaverse, but for the most part they are raised as "normal"/beta kids until they get their secondary gender. So they do have male/female standards and stuff that we have. So when babie... GhostBear

    Oh if the names of these yuri omegaverses come back to you DM me please!!!! I've been searching for months but I couldn't find any ><

    inlovewithsnow2002 October 29, 2023 7:28 pm

    Okay first of all I mean this as gently as possible but y'all are majorly overthinking this fictional concept that hasn't even bothered to go in depth in to biology

    Omegaverse isn't based on cats it's wolves is it accurate no but the origins take place during a time when the popular understanding of wolves was very very different it comes from a werewolf supernatural fanfic where the writer just wanted one person in their ship where both were cis men to be able to eat pregnant all the other features occur through people just adding features for drama and then these features for really popular things like pheromones and biting/claiming etc it's basically like the SCP universe where everyone created their own things and the most popular parts of the au stuck and became "canon" incredibly simple

    The dom sub universe came after when the mainstream started becoming more ... aware of BDSM culture people took aspects of omegaverse they liked and applied it to a bastardized version of BDSM and then made it natural because everyone loves the soul mates thing

    It's not some big confusing concept it's just people taking ideas they thought were cool adding to them and those ideas getting more popular and the people who are making the terminology for this aren't really thinking that deeply about it they just thought it was cool or hot or just fun there's nothing to wrap your head around

    Min October 29, 2023 7:31 pm
    Wow that sucks. I'm looking for logic where the only explanation is gay BDSM is cool?I'm disappointed.In France it was a mess. Many 12-18 girls suddenly started to think it was cool, the grooming expanded signi... ThingOfEvil

    I guess there is cultural differences for the effect that movie/book had, sad to hear it had such a big impact over there.

    And money is always a good incentive to make bad movies that are going to be popular ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    inlovewithsnow2002 October 29, 2023 7:31 pm
    This is why I think they don’t have it for yuri because it would turn basically hetero unless they make the alpha have both parts. I feel like hetero wouldn’t really need a omegaverse since the males are al... Jamie

    There are omegaverse yuri it just happens that the origins of omegaverse is happened with an MLM ship so it's more popular with mlm ships but there are yuri omegaverse hell there's an omegaverse yuri on this site that I think just ended and if you go in to fanfic spaces there's a couple of wlw omegaverse aus

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 7:36 pm
    Okay first of all I mean this as gently as possible but y'all are majorly overthinking this fictional concept that hasn't even bothered to go in depth in to biology Omegaverse isn't based on cats it's wolves is... inlovewithsnow2002

    Oh okay thanks for the explanation. I definitely don't like this BDSMverse then, things that has no logic at all are not my thing xD

    And yes, I know I overthink. This is the cause of my insomnia and I can't really do anything about it, I don't want to stuff myself with medicine but look!

    We had an interesting conversation here and I learned some things. Not sure how it will help me in my everyday life but still, I'll sleep less dumb than yesterday xD

    heartily October 29, 2023 8:27 pm

    Honestly it's better if you dont think too much about it. Domsubverse and Omegaverse are just plain ridiculous but I have nothing better to read so I just read the ones with good ratings lol. Tho I really dig the fluffy parents trope of Omegaverse.

    Also there's the animalverse/beastverse/4earsverse, idk what you call it, I mean the one with human appearance but with animal characteristics (since I dislike full on beast (frickin weird asf). I like 4earsverse better than Omegaverse and Domsubverse for me ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Jamie October 29, 2023 8:27 pm

    lol way too many responses since my last comment but the people who’re for some reason seem annoyed because we’re have a conversation about something we’re reading…..you go over anything and everything; for example when you watch a movie, you discuss what could’ve been different and what wasn’t explained.

    Jamie October 29, 2023 8:40 pm
    Honestly it's better if you dont think too much about it. Domsubverse and Omegaverse are just plain ridiculous but I have nothing better to read so I just read the ones with good ratings lol. Tho I really dig t... heartily

    I mean discussing and going over a manga you’re reading is part of the experience. Doesn’t make us wrong from wanting opinions from each other.

    But you’re right, these universes are plain ridiculous and too many are being made. I sometimes do the same, I’ll read because of the ratings as well but usually drop it down the road plus I’m one of those who likes a completed manga so I can just read in one go.

    Lmao I like the 4earverse name you picked! That always bugged me and love seeing comments discussing it. I kinda agree, I definitely don’t like any manga plot though that one gets hurt/controlled and the horrible one barely gets the cold shoulder! I mean it’s usually the uke that gets the short end and sometimes the seme but I wish they’d take time apart. I remember one manga where I thought the uke took a year or so time away from the seme….it was only a few days someone point out

    ThingOfEvil October 29, 2023 9:05 pm
    Honestly it's better if you dont think too much about it. Domsubverse and Omegaverse are just plain ridiculous but I have nothing better to read so I just read the ones with good ratings lol. Tho I really dig t... heartily

    Oh!!! The 4earsverse!! I know this one way to well ><

    I never really was attracted to animal characteristics but at some point, I just started to read whatever the fuck was featured and completed. But these 4ears!!! It used to be a source of nightmare for me (like real nightmares lol)

    until I found an exceptional one, where everything was very well explained.
    Kinda seemed like a shotacon at first (since it IS the author's main occupation, I still curse the times when mangago was down and I had to go to MRM) but it's actually not one. A few suggestive panels that are quickly ridiculed but nothing explicit, but the LORE!
    The lord is crazy, the author thought and explained everything, from the species characteristics to the clothes design, and even the 4ears, and it takes the form of young kids in a school with humans, beasts and half beasts. I really liked this one but it's been a while (years, actually) since I last saw it updated. I could try to find it if your interested.

    But honestly I tend to avoid anything that shows pointy ears, I also avoid omegaverses as much as I can and I wish I could know before starting it for this new BDSMverse because things that aren't a minimum coherent irritate me.