Why the hell do you think it's so hard to find consent in yaoi these days??? When sometimes the rape isn't a plot point AT ALL in the story and is very much not needed
Hentai manga who has a huge effects on how men will view woman the same way as porn but its still fiction people will always find a way of connection between fictional and reality sadly. And that is not the way to think of course nobody should let it affect them that way but it does very much so
Yaoi has become a disastrous well known genre because of what it obviously promotes most of the time wonder why it's not all the time you can say you read these kinda things loud and proud cause it promotes toxic relationships very bad written dark romance. I get some is just gore and psychological but most of them know what they are aimed at.
Go read the manhwa called "no reason" and tell me that you don't think anybody who actually likes it is a psychopath.
I'm sorry if I don't have enough proof but I said what I said.
Rape isn't okay especially used when it doesn't evolve the plot AT ALL and that's when you know what the manhwa is trying to promote
that’s not an affect of yaoi though… that’s straight up fetishizing gay/lesbian/bi identities alone. these things that you keep claiming are real have nothing to do with yaoi itself, they are problems that’s happened in the lgbtq+ community long before bl was even a thing. mind you, yaoi is not a mainstream form of media. do these things happen? yes. but there’s not a long historical pattern of it nor has yaoi perpetuated real violence. a lot of what you’re saying feels like ignorance of what’s happened to the lesbian community because they were the ones extremely hurt by the fetishization in media not gay men
i only agree with the later half of this. but again, rape being a constant thing in yaoi is not = to violence caused in the real world
hey so this is actually a layered topic! men are not an oppressed group and haven’t been subjected to horrible sexual violence or historically treated as objects by women… but you’re THIS close to getting the point of this conversation
Okay sure.
They have. Men are still also an oppressed groups and some woman view the as only sexual objects it does happen actually rare but it happens. And i'm sorry then if I don't get the point of the conversation.
Gay men get fetishized a lot too you know by young woman who likes to consume too much yaoi. They both get fetishized, sexualized, and people get affected by this
oh… yea so i don’t think you’re ready to have this conversation. men are not an oppressed group by women. point blank period. if you add on intersectionality, such as race, men of color can be oppressed but still never by non-men. it’s impossible to ever conduct reverse misogyny, aka misandry, on the same scale. a women objectifying a man will NEVER have the same weight as a man doing it to a women
kindly, i encourage you to read up on literature about women’s oppression throughout history in ANY culture that was colonized by the west and then come back here. this is not an insult but an observation: you aren’t knowledgeable on these topics and it shows, but that’s nothing to be ashamed about. however i would be careful with the claims you make concerning such heavy subjects, as they come off really ignorant and ill-intended rather than informative. arguing instead of asking will not take you far and it would serve you better to be inquisitive > insulting straight off the bat
No way this isn't what I was even trying to say I completely agree with what you say on this one but that's out of the topic here
I'm talking about how fiction can affect the view on so many specific amount of people, the reason why men has felt this way has worsened much more because of fictional consumption which includes hentai man ga which is fiction but exact same thing as real people porn!!!!
Fiction affects reality and its the same goes for yaoi the same way gay men are viewed in that fiction can be the way they are viewed in real life. Yaoi does not need that much non-con bs they pull most of the time. That is what i'm trying to say.
Again fiction rape is not okay.
Hentai that promotes bad views on woman (rape, incest)
Yaoi who does the same but with men( assault, incest, rape)
Like how men will fetishize lesbians when it comes to lesbian porn
Don't you think it happens with people who always support and agree on violent acts of a gay fictional character abusing with no morals whatsoever another fictional character? But it doesn't matter cause its fictional huh....
I know you're an educated person but i'm not much but I will always try to get my point crossed the only thing I want to prove is the effects of fiction and its way in reality and it includes also yaoi. Yaoi who can only think of including rape, assault, toxic representation. Same thing with most yuris out there not to mention porn is also a form a fiction as it is not real but acted out but still has serious damage to the male population.
Which is why I can only read soft drama cause dark romance, psychological romance has reached its breaking point. Rape is not needed in every scenario at all.
again, learn and come back here. you are really close to getting it but it’s not clicking. there’s historical patterns and oppressions involving women that make the argument of male violence towards women and their consumption of porn SO congruent
the same cannot be said for yaoi. male sexual violence exists but not in the slightest because of fictional gay rape alone, does real gay porn contribute to it however? YES. with yaoi there is not historical evidence of it, recorded behavioral changes, or valid findings of any kind that draws the conclusion that consumption of violent mlm media has a relationship with rape culture
Do you agree that fictional rape is ok or not no matter the cause or genre because I said the same thing. RAPE IS NOT AN OKAY THING NO MATTER THE MEDIA. Yaoi has contributed to encouraging sexual assault, rape doesn't matter if it affects real life male sexual violence it is not okay even if it's fictional cause it can still promote toxic shit and bad representation of gay men, gay woman?! It can still be used as a plot point but yaoi does it all the time for some reason do you think it's okay???? No. Sure it may not be that big of deal but tone it down for the sake of humanity beliefs
people were complaining why there are stans for zhenya but hate for jaekyung and if we’re being real… it’s because we expect him to be as psychotic and bad as a mafia member can get
there’s a HUGE difference between going into a toxic story and both people have the power to fight back vs one-sided beat downs. in jinx dan is only a perpetual victim, played a mary sue, and is in an abusive relationship with a celebrity. in the case with zhenya and tae, we got to see them bond on equal grounds and know their personalities upfront. this is in no way excusing the violent rape that happened in both stories, but there’s clearly a distinct dynamic between these two couples. even though we don’t know either of their backstories yet, im not surprised someone raised in violent environment with early exposure to death has zero empathy… compared to jae who’s a normal citizen