Well that was intense

You did the same thing that the anon that i was talking about in the first place did. You're still talking about random feminist topics despite this being a comment section for killing stalking.

oh, okay. I understand now, thank you for your contribution. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

No it's not. Anoni grrl gets it, I don't understand why you don't.

If you are looking for lovable female characters maybe you should pick a genre where the main focus isnt going to be malexmale relationships. Hmmmm.....maybe you should try reading yuri

As i said, if i was wrong then i apologize. Was there something else i could do for you?

But I am doing it because *you* characterized the comment as feminist, which made feminism relevant. If you had simple said she was talking about issues that had nothing to do with Killing Stalking, I would have agreed (though I may not have posted). It was you who started using the term feminism--which made it part of the discussion. The topic isn't random--it's one you introduced by using the term.

yes, because: "Are you sure you have never in your whole life criticize even to yourself how a woman looks, acts, or thinks?
Why is feminism still a polarizing topic? Why is Planned Parenthood still picketed? Why are women's marches still needed? Why are legislations calling women "hosts" and why are pro-choice a dirty word for a majority of the world?" seems clearly, to me, to be a feminist argument... does that not seem feminist to you? At the very least it has nothing to do with killing stalking, so there's no way they came on here intending to talk about jieun.

There are plently of good female characters in yaoi too.
I am just questioning (also) about why the extreme and adverse reactions of readers to female characters who did very much less crime than the hallowed MCs. In some cases they're benign but still called to "die bitch". I am fine with malex male relationships or I won't be in here. Some argue if it's just a turn of phrasing others argue if it is judt fiction, I am just asking if it is really. If it is, then move along. Right

Well I already told tou I am here to talk about Jieun. Maybe gramed in a larger more hyperbolic context than i should've. But I am giving an apple even though you keep insisting it is an orange.

What do you want from me? i've already said that if i'm wrong then i apologize, should i kiss your ass?

I agree with you here, i don't think that jieun deserved to die and i don't think it makes sense for people to post all those "die bitch!" comments. Jieun is just a normal insecure bitchy chick (not generalizing women, just saying that she is normal if put into this category), she just seems horrible because we get to hear her inner monologue. It's just a bunch of people falling for the mangaka's bait and hating her just like they intended.

That's one way to look at it, but maybe we should consider the larger fandom context too. I am going to use an example because I don't think Killing Stalking fans treat the characters much differently than other fandoms. If we are going to comment on fan behaviors (which I probably shouldn't, but this can of worms is now open), sometimes larger social trends matter.

I am also a fan of a show called Xena Warrior Princess. Back in the day, may fans disliked a male character male Joxer who was a buffoon who appeared for comic relief. Not all fans, mind you, but some very vocal ones. There were websites such as "die_joxer_die" and fans howling for his blood whenever he was on an episode. Xena, the heroine, is a former mass-murder "warlord" trying to seek redemption, and she still solved most problems by fighting. But she was the main character. Many of us shipped her with Gabi (the sidekick) despite the fact that Xena was domineering, a bit arrogant, and prone to violence. Both Xena and Gabi had flaws, but people who didn't like them probably didn't watch the show. Joxer was not a killer. He had good intentions. He was just annoying. The fans that found him funny defended him--but those that found him annoying hated him and created fanfic and fan art detailing his many deaths. The comments on Joxer were often crude.

Going back even further, there were some Star Trek fans who hated a young male character called Wesley Crusher. Really, the guy was just annoying and not evil. But some wanted him dead.

Fandoms often like characters for reasons that have nothing to do with how "good" or "bad" they are perceived to be. Some fans may dislike male characters they find annoying too. Often it's about which characters a group of fans enjoys watching or does not enjoy.

I thought I'd never see the end of this thread. This must be the longest thread I've read. I came here with no thoughts, then stumbled on this thread with THOUGHTS, but the more I read down the thread the more I lost my original thoughts, and all I thought about was how you (Anoni Grrl) and youraedthiswrogn sound like an old married couple having a tiff (CUTE! BTW. I ship you), Maltafenien is like a cool well-read older sibling, and Anonymous is like that affectionately annoying smaller sibling who means well.

PS: I am not a creepy person or a stalker, I swear!

LOL--at least you enjoyed yourself. :)

ahaha :^) i really enjoyed myself as well, thank you.

Lmao sassy af

SEASON 2!!! You know what's funny? I didn't know why I had this thread on bookmark. BUt it was entertaining as hell before, and still is. Lol I don't know why I'm so amused by this. Baeeeee!

tbh the yaoi fandom is pretty misogynist actually, yaoi in itself can be a genre with sexist tropes. I'm not saying that's the case all the time but when it becomes a pattern in a fandom it's a problem. Women are pretty demonized in yaoi so some fans are legit conditioned to hate women in yaoi simply as a knee jerk reaction. If someone expresses disgust for the female body because they don't want to see it in their "yaoiz" that's misogynistic af and pretty problematic imo lol

This is a really good point, I never thought of that. Now that I think of it my comment was a bit ableist and victim blaming :( fuck, thanks for pointing that out.

Yeah I would rather her escape too, I feel bad for her family/friends

I wish I can like this comment lol