We are becoming way too PC. I am pretty sure that @Helplessromantic comment was menat to be innocent. one of those things people say to express a momentary longing without deep thought or meaning. how can such a comment drift into a discussion about issues of the world. Even if i am wrong about @Helplessromantic comment what is so wrong about saying she wish she was a guy so that she may be gay? did she disparage the gay community? if her comment can be translated into an insult to the gay community then simply reading yaoi can also translate into an insult to the gay community because it is mostly an unrealistic depiction of relationships between men. relationships that we think are cute therefore not really taking it seriously.
Sorry that we get upset when you joke about something that gets people beaten, disowned and murdered?
The initial comment was a joke. Slightly inappropriate, but I could handle it. It's the fact that someone here actually thinks so lightly that they genuinely wish they were part of a persecuted group just to fulfill some sexual fantasy that pisses me off.
the only response i have to this: It's the fact that someone here actually thinks so lightly that they genuinely wish they were part of a persecuted group just to fulfill some sexual fantasy that pisses me off" is 'so'. i can understand being offend, even outraged if someone said 'gays deserves to be persecuted' but i can not understand these kind of response simply because someone wish to be gay to fulfill a sexual fantasy. i don't see how this harm anyone in anyway. i am black and i have experience negative treatment simply because of the color of my skin but i never get offended when i hear white kids saying they wish there were black because they want to be cool because it doesn't effect me in any way if any of them tried to harm me for my skin then i would have a problem.
Not talking about Blu here because TBH I didn't understand what they meant ?... Can I ask what you find inappropriate in the initial comment .more than a joke it was like the person felt nice when reading a manga and thought ah I wish I was like that . I am pretty sure they know the hardship of being homosexual . They didn't do it to mock homosexuality that was just a sweet comment and pretty normal .when they said it they didn't think about people getting beaten ,disowned .why don't you see it this way it's a big thing that they are accepting homosexuality . isn't that the main thing ???? Atleast there are people who don't think us as some sickness and want to be like us ? This comment was so light-hearted but got so far fetched dear helplessromantic I don't know about others but I understand your comment and as a homosexual I am not offended if it's make you feel better .there are some who can get offended but I am not I know we have to suffer because there are some people who think us as some kind of plague but it make me feel nice that there are people who are accepting us .there so many gay joke that was meant for the mockery of people like us and your comment was nothing like that .
Well, then you're a better person than me and so many others. :P
The initial joke made me uncomfortable. I commented to reply to the guy who said he felt it was inappropriate since everyone seemed to disagree. I just wanted to let him no that someone else shared his opinion. I didn't take it to heart. If that guy hadn't commented on it, I probably would have just ignored it and moved on.
Also, liking yaoi doesn't mean you accept gay men. There are plenty of fujoshi who, when it comes to real life gay couples, find it disgusting. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but rather that it isn't a very solid argument. I mean, there are so many people on this website who like rape fantasies, but they by no means want to be raped in real life. Clearly a stark contrast to gay relationships, but it applies nonetheless.
A lot of LGBTQ people despise people who read yaoi and think they're fetishizing homosexuality and creating stereotypes. While that is 100% true, I don't hate anyone for it. You're into what you're into, and I'm okay with that if no one's getting hurt. However, my liking girls isn't going to make me feel flattered if someone reads yuri.
Honestly, at this point it's not me trying to insult anyone (sorry if it seemed that way; I probably said quite a few things out of anger that weren't appropriate of me), but rather that I want people to see why it might upset people if you express that you genuinely wish you were a minority.
Yes liking yaoi doesn't mean you like LGBT but I don't think anyone who hated lbgt will wish I wish I were gay too.oh and people.reading yaoi.or Yuri doesn't flatter me but I don't hate people who say they want to be gay or lesbian just out of admiration and from admiration I mean something that they like lightly and wishes like that.it just didn't upset but I guess it sure did to you nothing can be done about it .but that comment was so light and now I know it upset people so yeah okay ╮(￣▽￣)╭.
I never claim to be better than anyone. I simply understand @Helplessromantic, didn’t mean any harm in her comment (comment was innocent) and most who agree with her, myself included, don’t think our gay fantasy is to take light of or disregard the harm that gay men face in rl. I also believe that we can be allowed to have and share those fantasies here without being told we are wrong or ignorant of the rl issues. On a different note, It wasn’t so long along that people weirdly thought that being gay was an illness (this should be offensive to any human being) so I think it is improvement that some people are wishing they were gay or have gay fantasies. If more people loved and are accepting of gay people and culture there will be less people that hate it and hopefully that will decrease the cruel treatment that some gay people face daily.
Oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to say that you thought you were better than anyone. That was me genuinely saying you're a better person than I am for not getting angry.
I highly disagree with some of this stuff, so I'm just going to give it a rest. Didn't even mean for it to go on this long. Sorry that I offended.
The initial comment being a joke didn't bother me. Idk, I can't describe it. The best thing I'd suggest if you're interested in my opinion is to just Google it (I don't mean that in a snarky way so much as me just genuinely being shitty at describing things, lol). I mainly just commented originally to tell The only boi that he wasn't alone with his opinion.
I've just had a lot of struggles, even with things non-LGBTQ related, and hearing people talk about something that nearly destroyed me just kind of hurts my heart. So it kind of feels like a personal insult. I know that's not the intention, though. I didn't really intend to insult so much as try and share why so many people get hurt by those sort of comments. Sorry if I came off as overly aggressive.
When did giving examples to express your words become a guilt trip? What might be insulting to one person might not be to the next of the same category. No two ppl think exactly the same. Sit there and be blinded by anger lashing out to ppl who have no I'll intent. Your "but they do it to" is ridiculous because now your making things up I never said. Do you know how many ppl say they wish they were black even after knowing the struggles people of African descendants went through and still do today? You can see a persons color with your eyes but not their sexual preferences.
It definitely seemed like an attempted guilt trip.
And once again you pull up a completely different subject. I was talking about gay fantasies and you suddenly mention that black people are persecuted. I have no idea where that came from. Then you say it's relevant because people wish they were black, too. Okay, fine, if we're bringing that into this then I think that shouldn't be said, too. I seriously don't understand your train of thought.
Like I said, I'm done trying to describe why it was hurtful to me and why it is hurtful to many others. We'll agree to disagree.
Couldn't help but come back lol because it feels like talking to a wall, doesn't it? XD it's like the words you say aren't going anywhere but back at you. It's frustrating when you're just talking to yourself because the other person keeps bring up irrelevant stuff but yeah, best to just let it go and go read a good yaoi to lighten the mood.
Those examples were brought up because of the definition of persecution. Yes we don't have to agree to each other but if you felt I'll intent on the topic then I deeply apologize. Just try to keep in thought no yaoi fan truly mean any harm or evil intentions when they say things like the question that was asked in the topic.
Now reading all of these comments i can definitely see why it could offensive to the LGBTQ community I'm actually very happy that all of you commented whether you liked it disliked the comment because one of my biggest fears is being ignorant so thank you ALL and my brother is gay so any information on LGBTQ is valuable
I never thought of it before, but lately ive been reading alot of Yaoi( N i mean ALOT! Hehe) N now i too wish i could be a gay too. Only sometimes i think about it when im reading a hardcore yaoi!
Lol
Hehe rite. Ik wat u mean i said something N someone got upset with my comment.
Damn! This is the longest comment ive ever read!
I agree with most of the things you said, and I love that you brought a lot of insight. but saying that "it's a mental disorder" makes you sound insensitive. being transgender isn't a problem with the mind, you can't see a therapist and magically be "cured" of the feelings of not being born the correct gender.
Does anyone else wish they were guys just so they could be gay ╮(￣▽￣)╭