“Y’all complain about anything” at least have a better comeback bc all i see is ppl who are expressing genuine concern. The story was going so well u til the side story and People aren’t just whining for the sake of it, they’re calling out how the author chose to ruined meaningful character development to catering to mainstream BL tropes that prioritize forced intimacy over emotional depth. Not to mention there are actually folks out here thinking this behavior is okay.
Calling it “complaining” instead of engaging with the valid concerns just shows your unwillingness to reflect or acknowledge harmful patterns. If anything, it says more about you than it does about the people raising the issue. Not everything has to be blind praise, especially when something deserves to be criticized.
can yall shut tf already
Stfu why you all trying to be police so bad on fiction
That's a whole lot of nothing for a fictional story.
Criticism is needed for stories, totally get that but all yalls criticism is about one scene and its not even problematic.
Its not that we dont acknowledge it , it's just that its not that deep. You don't have to waste so much energy on a fictional story now cmon bro ,i promise you if you start to see the bigger picture (kinda obvious the author just wanted to make a porn scene) you'd understand people dont gaf, you ARE DRAGGING IT they're not real people, and it's not like hes on the verge of death
LMAO YALL JUST PROVE YOURSELF. I bet half of yall bitches can't even read and got upset the moment I disagree with u.
i honestly do understand this take, but like at the end of the day ts is not real so why get worked up over something so …meaningless? ppl read stories like this bc it’s entertaining, not because they agree with wtv the fuck is going on
You say that, but every reply here is just trying to justify this nonsense. Make it make sense. This kind of mindset is genuinely harmful, and if your only defense is 'it's just fiction,' then come up with a better argument because that lazy and weak
You make excellent points. Clearly the people saying those things have no idea what real BDSM play looks like. Sure there can be crying and begging to stop in BDSM play, but that isn't what happened here. Lyle has never engaged in that kind of scene before and has never expressed an interest in it.
At every step along the way he expressed his discomfort and that so called safe word was something that Ash knew he would have trouble with. Ash also started with some pretty extreme stuff for a beginner, even if he had expressed an interest in BDSM play, someone who actually knew what they were doing would have gone slower. It's clear that it wasn't play for Ash, it was actual punishment to him. If those slaps had been on Lyle's face, it's the same.
It's not okay and sexy just because the slaps were on his ass. At no point is Lyle into it, he gets a physiological reaction to what's happening (fear erections are a thing). This kind of attitude 'You're had so you like it' is a reason why so many men can't report sexual assault.
why yall pulling up a detective in a freaking fictional story
can y'all do this much work for real situations
This would be true if they didn't love each other like they do. Why would karlye feel unsafe? Ash isn't abusive. They love each other, and obviously Karlye doesn't care. Why are you madder than him
And these comments prove me just right. At least read
literally just read happy stories, all your reviews in your reading list are nonsensical. If you do not like "problematic" (and im putting that in quotes) stop reading, don't comment. Just ignore everything. It really isn't that hard to distinguish fiction and reality. Again, Lyle CONSENTED to this, he knows he won't say the safe word so he decided to tell him. Saying no stop doesn't automatically mean rape or sexual assault. That is why safe words exist in bdsm. You all sound so dumb trying to make people feel bad about liking things. No one is being hurt in real life, fiction does not equate real life. Get off your purity high horse and touch grass, do you guys put this much effort into real life for actual victims or just online.
Just shut up about things you don't like, ignore and move on.
You literally have problematic stories in your reading list, pick a fucking struggle.
aww did i hurt the little white female minor who can't actual present actual reasoning. stop hiding behind the “safe word” excuse. Consent isn’t a damn puzzle to solve. If someone’s clearly uncomfortable and mutters something just to make it stop, that’s not sexy, that’s coercion.
Oh wait? I don't think u understand what coercion is. My bad. Let me say it simpler. It's force. Go back with your mha bakugo and deku ship. Weirdo
Lol but speaking logical! this is especially for all the white female minors who think fetishizing gay men is a personality trait and still can’t grasp basic comprehension skills. (Oh and I say again bc I know yall get super angry when I say fetishizer)
people are allowed to critique fiction. Telling people to “just shut up” because they found something harmful or upsetting is childish. (Lol you) Calling out problematic portrayals doesn’t mean we hate fiction, it means we actually engage with it beyond surface-level fantasies. I loved this manhwa. It was one of my favorites. But let’s not pretend Ash’s behavior wasn’t manipulative as hell. That side of him wasn’t developed at all until the side story.
“It's just fiction” is the most tired excuse. Fiction shapes beliefs, period. Tropes matter. Representation matters. When an entire fanbase starts romanticizing coercion and emotional pressure, that’s not just a personal taste, it’s a reflection of how normalized abuse is in media. No one’s saying this caused harm. We’re saying it reflects harm, and that deserves to be talked about.
Stop using the "safe word” argument like it's a get-out-of-jail-free card. Consent isn’t a technicality, it’s about emotional readiness and safety. If someone is clearly overwhelmed and mutters a proposal just to make it stop, that’s not consent. That’s pressure. Just because you’re desperate to defend your fav doesn’t mean reality changes for you.
And bringing up someone’s reading list like I'm lying or shit. Fucking embarrassing u even had to check me out. Are you a fan? Thank you <33
Anyway people can enjoy dark content and still know when something goes too far. That’s called having standards, try it sometime <3
So no, we’re not gonna shut up because you got your feelings hurt over valid criticism. If you can’t handle people dissecting your comfort media, then be a bitch and how about u scroll past bc honestly all your arugement is stupid. It’s honestly embarrassing. Oh and if u didn't read all this then at least I know someone can't read, write, and
basic comprehension skills!
Not a minor. Grew up in the don't like don't read, ignore and move on era. You know, before you learned how to use a phone.
You are right about coercion but that's not what was happening in the story.
You are arguing over something that you can just stop reading.
"We’re saying it reflects harm, and that deserves to be talked about." That's the point of a story, but you guys are only talking about a minuscule scene. One that, wasn't forced. Was he coerced in talking? Yes, and did ash go about it the wrong way? Yes, but that still doesn't change the fact that he was okay with what ash was doing.
"And bringing up someone’s reading list like I'm lying or shit. Fucking embarrassing u even had to check me out. Are you a fan? Thank you <33" Nah you're just fucking annoying. Writing nonsense reviews that no one asked for, you are on a free site reading illegally.
"So no, we’re not gonna shut up because you got your feelings hurt over valid criticism. " Not hurt, you guys aren't giving valid criticisms to the story besides "its rape. shouldn't be in a story." You don't even bother to read the story seeing the consent and options that Ash gave to Lyle, he chose the later and didn't ask what it was for. Valid criticisms are not given unsolicited, the author/creator will ask. You giving opinions is fine but you also have to realize that ficiton is ficiton and shouldn't shape your reality. "Shapes beliefs" if it does that, you need to go outside and talk with people.
"Go back with your mha bakugo and deku ship. Weirdo " Don't ship cause they are children, and its weird.
You sound deranged because someone is calling your bullshit. Go learn what romanticizing means before using it in a sentence. The story isn't romanticizing force or coercion, did you also cry about Ash "forcing" Lyle during his rut?
"That side of him wasn’t developed at all until the side story." Im sure you didn't read the story cause you would have noticed his manipulative, possessive nature.
"Anyway people can enjoy dark content and still know when something goes too far." Yes, I get that. Definitely call it out but what you are calling out isn't going that far. This isn't a dark story nor was that scene a dark moment. So, fuck off?
Sorry I don't fit your narrative, I'm calling out your logic and calling you stupid because you don't even know what you are saying.
Anyways, you're annoying and honestly, i'm tired of defending fiction ≠ reality, unwanted criticism for a story that you clearly didn't read.
Good day to you, blocked.
Bitch I ain't the one bitching
Okay my bad what I meant to say was your trying so hard to sound like your smart while saying absolutely nothing of value. The way you typed all that just to circle back to ‘don’t like, don’t read’ show u clearly didn't read. you talk about being tired of criticism but spent a whole paragraph crying over someone’s review. Be serious. You’re not the main character in a fanfic, getting blocked by someone like you is a blessing.
(〜￣△￣)〜 you're annoying. Go away.
You talk a lot for someone who also doesn't know what they are saying.
Just agree to disagree, fuck off.
Ain’t no fucking way y’all are seriously agreeing with what Ash did. Like, let’s be real and break this down.
> “Ash literally says that Lyle can still propose. Nothing was ruined.”
Yeah, he can still propose but the effort Lyle put into planning a thoughtful, genuine proposal was completely disregarded. Having to blurt it out just to stop an uncomfortable situation doesn’t just “reset” because there’s a second chance. The whole point of a proposal is that it’s meaningful, genuine, and given freely not something dragged out under emotional pressure. Just because Ash said, “you can still propose later,” doesn’t mean the emotional impact of the original moment isn’t tainted. You can’t just pretend that a uncomfortable situation didn’t happen because there’s a redo option. I understand that in later chapter there ACTUAL proposal was cute and etc but that still doesn't excuse what Ash did. Do not overlook this as a simple "he say sorry and Lyle was okay with it too" no tf he was not. U can tell he was uncomfortable and didn't wanna be put in that situation.
> “He apologized for forcing it out.”
And? An apology doesn’t erase the consequences of his actions. Apologizing is the absolute bare minimum after you make someone feel cornered and uncomfortable. The issue isn’t whether he apologized, it’s that he shouldn’t have needed to in the first place. A genuine partner doesn’t ignore repeated signs of hesitation or discomfort just to satisfy their own timeline or desires. The apology doesn’t fix the fact that Lyle was clearly not ready, clearly hesitant, and clearly emotionally overwhelmed in that moment. Even when they were at the sex toy shop or whatever Lyle was clearly uncomfortable and didn't wanna be there.
> “He’s going to give Lyle another chance to propose properly.”
Again, that doesn’t address the root of the issue. This isn’t just about “letting Lyle try again.” It’s about the fact that Ash already crossed a major emotional boundary. Throughout the story, Lyle has often gone along with things he wasn’t totally okay with, just because Ash was. That’s a pattern, and it speaks volumes. Consent and comfort should never be based on someone else’s enthusiasm. A proposal should be something that both people are emotionally ready for, not something squeezed out through guilt, pressure, or whatever.
> "Other point, we can't forget that Lyle could have use the safe word"
"Lyle could’ve used the safe word" is such a dismissive take. Just because someone technically has an way out doesn’t mean they feel safe or empowered enough to use it especially when they’re overwhelmed or if there with someone they care about. Safe words are there to protect consent during mutual play, not to excuse one partner for blatantly ignoring the other’s discomfort and boundaries. Using a safe word should never be seen as the only line between "okay" and "not okay." The fact that someone hasn’t used it doesn’t automatically mean they’re okay, it means they might be too overwhelmed to speak up, too scared, or simply don’t feel they can. It was literally fucking seen with lyle crying and asking ash to stop. A healthy partner picks up on subtle cues, reads the emotional landscape, and respects boundaries without needing a sign that says "stop." That’s not a failure on Lyle’s part; it’s a failure on Ash’s for putting him in that position in the first place. Ash should’ve been more aware and considerate, not pushing him into an uncomfortable situation just because HE was ready.
Stop excusing Ash’s behavior because he said sorry. If he really cared, he would’ve stopped the second he saw how distressed Lyle was. That’s what love looks like, not forcing a moment and cleaning it up after. And the fact that the author completely glossed over that violation by having them immediately jump into a sex scene afterward? Tone-deaf as hell. It sends the message that discomfort and emotional pressure can be smoothed over with sex and a half-hearted “sorry,” and that’s not okay.
This was supposed to be a comfort manhwa something warm, tender, and respectful. Instead, it turned into a story where boundaries doesnt matter anymore and the fandom just shrugs because the ML is hot and said “sorry.”
Be so fucking for real.