like.. "better" than someone else doesn't change the fact that hes a fuckass abuser! he's taking advantage of someone's weakness for his own benifit, and has the audacity to humiliate the guy on a daily basis for absolutely no reason
You guys seem to lack comprehension. I was replying to STEWIE's comment about "just bec he's better DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T COMPLAIN?!" Again, I touched on the comparison but NEVER said you shouldn't complain but focused rather on how excessively you guys are hating on him. I brought up points for why he isn't that bad of a character but you guys are not bringing any examples to back your opinions.
When did I say this? --> 'there are so much worse than him so we shouldn't call him out for his wrongdoings' (bc you're referencing that with quotations...)
You just keep going on about how I compared him to other MLs and how that isn't a reason to not complain about him. When that was only one small aspect of my comment and the rest is actually talking about how this character's behaviors point to a better characterization of this type of ML that we have seen across manhwas/mangas.
You need to look up the word "abuser". They both signed a contract AND MC is not a child and KNOW this contract was to the ML's advantage but still chose to sign it for his own protection. He is desperate to use the ML as a shield. Now that does not mean ML is not stepping over his bounds and being a dickhead sometimes. Pretty sure if I remember correctly, one of the clauses for the contract was he has to fulfill ML's desires. Ml 100% has a bit of a sadistic streak and is using the contract to his advantage but again, there are so many moments where its shown, he has boundaries and actually has a heart. He sometimes knows when to back off and when to stop and give MC a break.
If you’re wondering why the ML is getting hate and comparing him to worse ones to defend him, how is that not implying we shouldn't be criticizing him as much?
You’re just mad people aren't letting the ML off the hook just because he’s 'better than others.' LMFAO
You say we l'ack comprehension', but your whole comment revolves around minimizing his faults while asking why others don’t agree with that take.
What an L
It’s funny how the OP centered their entire post on questioning why the ML was getting so much backlash (literally how they opened it ) and then went on to compare him to “dogshit Jaekyung” to show he’s not that bad. That clearly downplays the ML’s faults just because there are worse characters out there. Then they have the nerve to say we lack comprehension, when they couldn’t even grasp the simple point of “just because he’s better doesn’t mean we shouldn’t complain,” despite their entire post implying otherwise.
Yaoi dick riders want us so bad to stop complaining, bashing the ML, pointing their wrongdoings, and etc,... just because there's much more worse than them. LMFAOOOO
I've made my point. There's not really a productive way of talking about this since you just keep going on about the title of my comment. If you ever looked at my previous comments, I wouldn't consider myself a "yaoi dick rider" but you do you. I had a more nuanced opinion on this character and by the looks of it, many others agree. I don't see him as the abominable monster you see but a nuanced character who is an asshole sometimes but largely, a more complex character SO FAR. I actually would've loved a more constructive convo but I see that's not how this would go. It's the fact that you forego everything else I said in my comment and ONLY focused on Jaekyung part.
You say I only focused on the Jaekyung part, but that was a key part of your original post and set the tone for how you framed your entire argument, comparing ML to someone worse to soften criticism. It’s not that I ignored your “nuance,” it’s that your main point came across as “he’s not that bad, so why the backlash?” which is still deflection.
If you truly wanted a constructive convo, maybe don’t start by calling others out for hating on the ML, then act surprised when people respond critically.
You can't frame your post that way and expect everyone to read it as neutral.
Gurl...
Just leave them be, since they've already used the word "mad", next is "pressed", and later we never knw~
They're just trying to accuse us of their own emotions.
I literally commented with not much thought trying to put it in simple words regarding what you meant but it seems to them I was "mad".
It's like "pouring water in a bucket with holes on the sides".
There was no mentioning of "don't attack the seme". But it seems comprehension left the chat.
It’s honestly hilarious how you claim you “commented with not much thought” — like, yeah, it really shows. You’re acting like you’re above it all, saying we’re just projecting emotions, but in reality, you’re the one throwing around exaggerated metaphors and trying to play the victim. Saying “comprehension left the chat” while completely missing the point yourself is wild. No one ever said you explicitly told us not to attack the seme — but your entire tone and defense clearly implied it. The irony really writes itself.
not your, it rlly shows how they commented with not much thought. THAT IS WILD AF
Just your average yaoi dick riders, commenting without much thought and basically wanting everyone to stop pointing out the ML’s wrongdoings just because he's 'better' than most garbage-tier MLs.
No they didn't the first sentence literally states "Why are people bashing the ML?" In no part of that did they state dont bash him it was a question. Then they said examples from his point of view on how you should try to understand why he's acting the way he's acting.
I feel like your whole comment wasn't read. Yea mentions Jae could set people off because people don't like any character that isn't up the MC ass in these stories regardless of reasons. I know for one if some dude came to ME asking for sex and a contract relationship with all of those toxic/bad rumors surrounding their name I wouldn't fully trust them nor believe everything he says. He hasn't even seen the stuff Yigons brother is doing to him nor is Yigon explaining the situation right. If Yigon gets to the point where he hates the way the ML is treating him then riot. Its not like the ML is beating on him, drugging him, making him do stuff he doesn't want to do so yes some of the complaints are exaggerated but I just let people be most of the time because of how people will respond like you are raping the MC yourself.
You're right that they didn’t 'literally' say “don’t bash him,” but let’s not act like the whole post wasn’t written in defense of the ML.
Starting with “why is he getting backlash?” and following it with comparisons to worse characters and excuses for his behavior is a clear rhetorical move to downplay criticism. So while the words weren’t explicitly said, the IMPLICATION was there. Context matters! Not everything has to be spoon-fed to get the point.
++ Thus, our point still stands: we can criticize the ML despite him being “better” than Jaekyung or whatever other shitass seme y’all love. Being the lesser evil doesn’t make him a saint. Don't make the bar too low when it comes to yaoi semes, it doesn't make them sleep with you.
Thats a weird comment thinking I'm reading this because I want him to sleep with me or me or anyone else who can think about both point of views objectively is just horny. Why you got to result to insults when someone doesn't agree with you is mad weird and immature. If you want to be blind to everything but what Yigon does so be it but try to read people whole statements then try to understand before talking out of hand. And as it was said no one said dont complain they are confused on why the hate is to the extreme as it is for worse characters no one said Taekang is a Saint.
It’s always amusing how some people interpret a pointed critique as a personal attack. My comment wasn’t about you SPECIFICALLY wanting him to sleep with you— it was a general jab at the way some folks defend these seme like their lives depend on it. If that stung, maybe reflect on why. LOL.
You can talk about “objectivity” all day, but the moment you dismiss others’ valid criticisms as “extreme,” it shows you're more interested in tone-policing than actual discussion. ┐( ∵ )┌
Nobody's denying nuance, but brushing off bad behavior just because “worse exists” isn’t the winning argument you think it is. ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ
Uhhh have you guys met scum trying to impress women by lying about getting a million dollar sports car when he clearly can't afford it?
This guy is rich and pretty. Only the personality department is lacking. He's got enough to have a big head. Ever met ugly, not so rich guys with a big(pig) head? I only wish to meet a guy with decent personality with decent income be it ugly or pretty but that's Soooo impossible so I think the ML is fine as fk.
Let me quote some of the things you've said, and I would urge you to read them again:
*** "he isn't that bad of a character"
*** "being a dickhead sometimes"
*** "he sometimes knows when to back off and when to stop"
*** "nuanced character who is an asshole sometimes"
if I'm understanding you correctly, the reason you're defending him is because he isn't ALWAYS bad. However, "sometimes" still indicates habitual behavior and we've all seen it. All the rest of us have been saying is that him being "better" than others who are worse, does not make him a good guy by any standard and doesn't absolve him of his actions and the humiliating ways he's treated MC so far. He has had no reason to be such an asshole to MC, but he chooses to be because has the upper hand and he knows it. Just because he's not drugging him or beating him up actively doesn't make his actions any less wrong. So comparisons to other characters in general are unnecessary and poor logic to use when pointing out trashy and borderline abusive behavior displayed by characters. Being "bound by circumstance" is never an excuse for treating others poorly with little to no respect, which is how he's been treating MC. You asked "why the excessive hate?" and people answered. If you see him as a "not so bad" and "nuanced" character instead of the fuckass that he is, then that's your prerogative. If you focus on the story without comparing him to others, he hasn't done anything worth defending, and everything worth criticizing. That's all we've been saying. and I hope you have a nice day!
I reread this after losing interest for a while but why are all the comments bashing the ML? Compared to many other manhwas with similar plots or characters, the ML in this is far from dogshit Jaekyung. Yea he isn't nice sometimes but you can tell by his actions he isn't a complete dickhead like even in the very beginning when he actually lets Yigon sleep and rest, etc. You can tell from his thoughts, he feels something is off and isn't straight fucked up. Has everybody forgotten that Yigon DID NOT TELL Taekang, what his grandfather said and how that whole dinner ended? Yes he told him that his brother is trying to kill him, but its a lil hard to believe and nothing really suggests that ML knows knows. IDK I dont get the hate and in fact see the potential in this story since from the very beginning ML and MC has shown that they are somewhat respectful and kind characters, just bound by their circumstances.