jiwon vs jaekyung?

I second this

Jiwon was definitely awful but nowhere near as bad as JK or for as long. JK spends most of the story SAing Dan

I second THIS

He absolutely was not worse are you insane

Wait I thought they had an agreement and Dan accepted to do it whenever, and wherever for Jaekyung when he asked? I'm not trying to argue or anything, this is a genuine question. If both parties agreed to something beforehand, why would Jaekyung paying Dan and having a contract that Dan himself agreed to be considered Sexual assault? Again, not trying to say what he did was ok, he did treat him like absolute trash, but I didn't think it was necessarily considered sexual assault on the basic definition of it

did you pay attention to bj alex when reading it?
on multiple occasions, jiwon continued hurting dong-gyun against his wishes . dong-gyun stayed because he liked jiwon even though he hurt him.

absolutely not. the relationship between dong gyun and jiwon was because jiwon wanted to use dong-gyun and dong-gyun liked him. jaekyung is cruel to kim dan, but he supported him and protected him physically at the very least.

they absolutely did have an agreement, though its more like dub-con. I’m not denying jaekyung was cruel, but it was an agreement they had. jiwon and dong-gyun did not have an agreement and jiwon still treated him as he pleased. how can someone criticize jaekyung but defend jiwon who physically hurt his partner simply because he felt like it

Their "agreement" is financial coercion. Consent has to be given freely and continuously, not because you think you'll go broke and your grandma will die. On top of that, JK ignores all of Dan's boundaries, openly says he doesn't care if it hurts and also had his friend walk in and watch without Dan's consent. JK is also an MMA fighter known for being violent and there's a looming threat of violence throughout

Jiwon definitely took advantage of DK's feelings, said cruel things and there are a couple instances of dub/noncon for sure, and that's terrible, but the scope is not the same

Lmao yeah I js went to go find ts myself At first I didn’t see it that way, but now I understand the nuance. I wasn’t trying to excuse SA, I just didn’t know how complex it really was. A lot of people around me have had the "stereotypical," if you wanna call it that, SA, so when I think of SA I didn't think of how deep it could actually be, sorry bae ₍ᐢ..ᐢ₎♡

No bae never mind, even if it was an agreement Jaekyung 100% SA'ed Dan, and it could even be considered . I had a simple definition of SA before, but I actually went to go fact check myself, and even with an agreement it's SA what Jaekyung did. Also I'm not part of the BJ Alex discussion, idk much about them lmao

I’m not disagreeing with you, but does it make sense to say jiwon wasnt as bad as jaekyung when he too abused and used dong-gyun? my point comes from readers excusing bj alex and then following and copying whatever the majority of commenters have to say about jinx. it’s strange in all aspects

Jiwon isn't violent. Off the top of my head I can think of three times where he didn’t get proper consent - in the club room (DK didn't want to hook up in public); with the toys; and that one time after they broke up. Those are all horrible violations, 100%. But the rest of the time DK wants to sleep with him even though Jiwon repeatedly tells him that he doesn't want to date. That's not SA, that's being a mean fuckboy. It's bad but not the same as repeatedly SAing someone in a way you know hurts them while they're entirely financially dependent on you

Let's not forget that DK also kinda pressures Jiwon into hooking up at first becayse he makes it seem like he'll reveal his secret. That's coercion too and the power dynamic between them is very different

you cant start a sentence saying jiwon isnt violent and then proceed with a second sentence saying you acknowledge he assaulted dong-gyun on multiple occasions. you yourself stated consent is to be given continuously and that means dong-gyun has the right to revoke consent . it makes no sense to defend jiwon and not jaekyung. if thats the case, then you are clearly just being a follower, and repeating what everyone else is saying.

It's a complex thing and webtoons/manhwa/manhua/manga aren't very good at going into the nuance most of the time. That’s why it's good to have these conversations with each other!

this isn’t to argue that jiwon and jaekyung are angels who do no wrong, its to state the obvious - defending jiwon is incredibly stupid considering he was just as bad if not worse than jaekyung.

I agree that DK revoked consent at those points and I also agree that Jiwon SAed him on those occasions! That's literally what I said. My argument is that JK is worse in terms of the length and scope, and in terms of physical violence, not that Jiwon is innocent. People can be bad to different degrees, that's why judges have a range of sentences to choose from

of course, but all you’re really saying is that in your opinion jiwon isnt as bad, which is (arguably) wrong

JK has spent most of the story so far violently SAing, threatening and verbally abusing Dan. That is the literal plot of this webtoon. Just count the incidents and you'll see that even on numbers alone there's no comparison. You can feel however you feel but the facts of the stories are what they are