oh girl thought she ate..why do all of you fujoshis do the same thing.
Sexual assault is wrong in any context, I agree. I’m not being biased and I never said it was okay for anybody to be raped to sexually assaulted so I don’t know where you pulled that from. There’z a reason why I don’t like this particular manwha and I’m not reading it. But there's a difference between reading dark content and the specific issue I'm talking about: straight WOMEN creating and consuming content where gay MEN are assaulted, for sexual gratification. That's fetishization.
'We all have our own fetishes' - yeah, and when your fetish is gay men (a real marginalized group) being assaulted in content made BY women FOR women, that's not just a 'preference.' That's fetishizing real people's identities and trauma.
You can't compare it to crime documentaries, those are about real events meant to inform or analyze. Yaoi is fictional content created specifically for sexual entertainment. Completely different.
'There's good BL written by women', hmmm, maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that the genre is dominated by women profiting off gay male sexuality and often romanticizing assault. The exception doesn't erase the rule.
And I don't need to read every BL ever made to see the pattern. The comments on this manwha alone prove my point
“ exactly. she doesn't care about rape in het porn but she's SO concerned when it happens in bls specifically lol. this is what happens when a homophobe in disguise finds fancy words like fetishize, sexualize, romanticize or whatever tf, they're gonna use it to put down people who don't read het stories like them @blquintessence”
you're literally in multiple threads talking about me at this point. I'm living rent free in your head and it shows And no, I DO care about rape in het content, I literally said I don't even like this manhwa. The difference is het content isn't an entire GENRE dominated by women fetishizing a marginalized group. Yaoi is specifically women creating content about gay men, for other women's sexual consumption, often featuring assault. That's not homophobia. I'm just calling out fetishization.I'm not a homophobe for pointing out that straight women getting off to gay men being assaulted is weird. Gay men aren't your fetish category. And the fact that you keep trying to twist 'don't fetishize gay men' into homophobia shows you have no actual argument. You just want to keep consuming your fetish content without criticism.Stay mad though, clearly I'm doing something right if you can't stop talking about me.
THANK YOU. Let's do the math here:
Calling out women fetishizing gay men = homophobic?
Women getting off to gay men being assaulted = being an ally?
The equation ain't equating lmao. If anything they're homophobic for treating gay relationships as fetish material, but go off I guess.
Funnily enough, for some reasons, fujoshis tend to be extremely homophobic and misogynistic when the opportunity arises.
Even when gay men come out saying they feel uncomfortable, they tend to be attacked by said women who claim to be allies.
Even giving an example about how certain groups don't like a demographic unless it's presented in a way that appeases them!
no logical people would disrespect other people just because they don't like a certain type of people.
The first comment the person posted is already rude enough to offend others.
If that person doesn't like bl readers, he/she should have just ignored the comments they made and enjoy the story. And then to proceed making homophobic remarks... but who am I to talk, here I am bored enough to care about this sht hahahaha
Anyways, is it so hard to just appreciate the story we liked while respecting other people's fetishes? Don't get me wrong, I don't care if the oerson is homophobic, that's their free will to hate something, I have no right to call that out, what I hate is them using that hate to disrespect others, that's crossing the line
I don't think she's logical. A logical person won't disrespect others just because they hate something other people liked.
I have no problem with her being homophobic or just a hater of bl stories written by women, it's her free will to hate whatever she wants to hate, I won't call her out for that, it's totally fine.
What's not fine is her using that hate to offend people by disrespecting what other people enjoy. That's crossing the line coz like how I have no right to judge her by being homophobic, she also have no right to say mean things to others just because they don't have the same opinion.
Liking our own type of stories, no one can judge us for that, no one has the right to judge other people as we all have our own little dark closet.
Why am I even bothering with this? I'm so bored.
Ayways, my point is... let's respect each other for a more peaceful environment, we're all readers here, whatever story you're reading is fine as long as you're a proper citizen irl
Homophobic remarks' - WHERE? Point them out. I'll wait. I said I don't like WOMEN fetishizing GAY MEN. That's not homophobia, for fuck’s sake. I literally said gay men can read whatever they want, my issue is with straight women treating gay relationships as their personal spank bank.
'Respect other people's fetishes' - no When your 'fetish' is a marginalized group of real people (gay men), you don't get a pass. That's literally what fetishization means. It's not a harmless preference, it's reducing real identities to sexual objects.
You keep saying I'm homophobic but can't point to a single homophobic thing I said. Let's define some terms since you love throwing that word around:
Homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
I don't dislike gay people. I dislike WOMEN fetishizing gay men. That's not homophobia, it's the opposite. I'm actually respecting gay men enough not to treat them as sexual objects.
Now let's talk about what YOU'RE doing:
Fetishization: to make someone or something the object of a sexual fetish; to have an excessive and irrational commitment to or obsession with something.
YOU literally said 'respect other people's fetishes' - so you ADMIT you're fetishizing gay men. That's my entire point. You just proved it yourself. Women consuming content made by women, for women, that sexualizes gay men and their relationships for entertainment = fetishization.
You're getting offended because I'm calling out the exact thing you admitted to doing. You want to fetishize gay men but not be called out for it. You want it both ways, to treat gay relationships as your sexual fantasy while claiming anyone who points it out is 'homophobic.'
If anything, reducing gay men to fantasy objects for your sexual gratification is closer to homophobia than anything I've said. You're not treating gay people as equals, you're treating them as fetish objects. The cognitive dissonance is actually wild.
You guys have no fucking reading comprehension.
yup I ate and i slayed
What an interesting argument. Thanks for the entertainment.
I think the fact you take time outtve your day to ragebait people on a webtoon page you aren't even interested in is actually hilarious. Nothing you say bothers me, if you want to ragebait you should be more childish about it; that usually gets people. I woke up today to an entire flood of responses because YOU were so insulted that somebody clowned you for being a gooner that you just had to respond and make an argument for your case.
Porn is porn, I don't care if it's het or homo, if it's a bl and the porn is hot then it's hot and it's enjoy. Personally, I don't seek out bl, I'm actually more of an action/fantasy kindve person and prefer cheesy romances unbiased of sexuality or categorization. It isn't your business to get pissy for the gays and act like a white knight, I've seen so many straight dudes fap to lesbian hentai and ask their female partners to scissor another chick cus it's "hot." gay fetishism isnt biased to men, and it's so widespread even the gays don't care. Porn is what it is, a goal to get you off and let it be. We stick around mayhaps for the story or the drama, it's all the same shit, and getting so pressed over it won't solve your problems. I respect that you find it wrong, but the way you carry yourself trying to out-insult or educate others is extremely conceited, and frankly childish asf. You're on a website dominated by women-written yaoi and rape porn, you can't just slide in and act like you're superior or better than others just cus you don't flick your bean to whatever these gooners like.
‘Ragebait', yeah, and it worked perfectly didn't it?
You made a whole thread about me (when u could’ve just responded to me on mine), THREE separate threads exist about my one comment, and you're all still here trying to seem unbothered (I clearly bothered yall.)
Mission accomplished honestly. Y'all are so predictable it's actually entertaining. I say one thing calling out fetishization and you lose your minds trying to paint me as homophobic when I never said anything against gay people, just against WOMEN fetishizing gay MEN. But keep going, this is fun. Thanks for proving my point about how defensive y'all get when called out
'Straight dudes do it to lesbians so it's fine', that's literally my point. Straight men fetishizing lesbians is ALSO gross and creepy. You're not justifying your behavior, you're just admitting you're doing the same creepy shit men do but acting like it's somehow different when women do it.
'Even the gays don't care', many do, actually. Plenty of gay men have spoken out about being uncomfortable with yaoi and fujoshi culture, but when they do, y'all attack them or dismiss their concerns. So don't speak for all gay people.
'Porn is porn', nah. There's a difference between consuming porn of your OWN demographic vs fetishizing a marginalized group. That's what fetishization means.
And yeah, I AM superior to people who fetishize marginalized groups for their sexual gratification. You can call it 'childish' all you want but you're still here writing paragraphs trying to justify why it's okay to treat gay men as fantasy objects.
'I'm on a website dominated by yaoi'… and? That doesn't make it right lmao. Popularity doesn't equal morality. Try again.
Not to get "defensive," but I only learned how to comment yesterday lmao. I don't pay much attention to the comments and usually only read them to see if people recommend the story or not; the only reason I even made a comment was partly outtve misunderstanding, and yes, annoyance. It seemed to me you were purposely attacking and being aggressive; taking time outtve your day to be an ass when ignoring it would've been more mature, I saw childish behavior from people and frankly it's shameful. If were adults, why be no-lifers and comment on a fuckin fetish hentai webtoon. If you care so much about the gross fetishism of gay men from women, commenting and making threads won't solve the widespread problem.
I hardly even read bl, idk where you're getting that from. And I didn't say tapping to lesbians makes it okay, i was furthering one of your earlier points in the thread that is widespread and everywhere; to the extent people just stopped caring, and that you're solving nothing. Fetishism of anything regarding the sexuality of others is gross don't get me wrong, I enjoy bl for the romance; sometimes the stories are just cute, for example Love is An Illusions second adaption. It's cheesy, fluffy, and adorable. Albeit the ABO kind throws me off.
‘Taking time out of your day to be an ass when ignoring would've been more mature', I was responding to comments already there. Naturally I can’t reply to each and every one, right? So I made a thread. People calling het content 'disgusting het shit’ ‘hetslop,’ 'wanting 'uke with boobies,' acting entitled because a mistagged story has some women in it.
So yeah, I responded to THEIR behavior. They were being obnoxious first, treating gay content like their personal porn tag and shitting on anything with women.
YOU made a whole thread about ME when you could've just scrolled past. You're lecturing me about maturity when you literally started this by calling me a 'gooner' (which I care less about) and a 'hoe' unprovoked.
'I only learned to comment yesterday' but your first comment ever was making a thread to insult someone.
‘I hardly even read BL' but you made a whole thread defending it and calling me a 'weird ass hoe'? Interesting.
If you think that fetishization is wrong, then we actually agree on the core issue. My problem is specifically with women dominating a genre that fetishizes gay men, (Yaoi. I think shounen ai is fine.) especially when it's full of sexual assault content.
'People stopped caring' , some people have, but that doesn't make it right. Plenty of gay men have expressed discomfort with fujoshi culture and they just get dismissed.
If you enjoy BL for the romance and prefer cute stories, that's fair. I'd just encourage supporting content made by actual gay creators rather than women profiting off gay men. Unfortunately yaoi/BL is so saturated with female creators I believe it’s be hard to find some.
But the whole 'misunderstanding' claim is weird when your first comment called me a hoe and accused me of being fine with rape. That wasn't a misunderstanding, that was you being aggressive first and now backpedaling.
For that weird ass hoe who was complaining about people who enjoy gay sex, you're literally flicking your bean to a webtoon about outrageous and taboo fetishes. rape is fine but two gay guys having anal sex is where it crosses the line for you