Both are valid

let’s forgive the woman who left her son w an abusive father to marry some other guy and came back to make him sign the divorce papers but not bring him with her totally.
didn’t look for him once when he was constantly switching between homes and jobs. + dojin didn’t let byul, in the last chapter it says that dojin didn’t know byul was in contact with her at all if you missed it.

I guess I did miss that part about Dojin. Anyways never did I say forgive the mother. I think you didn’t read anything I said at all. Point is, Hyesung has the right to never forgive or meet with her. And byul has the right to meet with her and have a connection with her. No parent should be able to project their own bad relationship with that person onto their child and convince them to act the same way.

It is exactly how divorced parents act. Selfishly putting this kid between them and trying to decide for the kid who the kid should meet.

Like let’s bffr, if yall can continue to read Hyesungs romance with Dojin who forced him to be with him and have the baby, what’s the difference. You can forgive noncon but when it comes to a side character, you’re unforgiving. It’s hypocritical. Anyone can hate the grandma as much as they want but at the end of the day, byul has the right to make his own decision.

this isnt a parent which automatically makes the connection very different. additionally I did read your comment that’s why I replied, you said you shouldn’t dictate your child’s relationship unless they’re a danger. and by all means a bad mother who willingly let her own child be in a abusive situation sounds like not an ideal person to have your own son be with. neglect is far beyond the bounds of just a “personal relationship”

I mean active physical danger to this very day. I get the grandma did something bad and left Hyesung to be in danger, but that case hasn’t repeated for byul. The grandma isn’t the guardian of byul, so there won’t be a situation where she’s given that power to do so.

Like I said, Hyesung has every right to never forgive or see his own mother. While byul also has the right to choose whether he wants to see his own grandma. This is byul’s story now. And he chooses his own relationships. Also the comparison between divorced parents relationship is the same, it’s not that different. If you think about it more, it’s very similar to what is being done here.

yikes. what a parent

Just, nope. No adult should be talking to a minor behind their parents' back period. Children are vulnerable and that is why even if parents' should not dictate, they get to pick and choose who the child is in contact with.

If a child goes out of his way by lying to his parents to come see you, it is your responsibility as an adult to let them know where their child is and that their child is safe. She never in years thought she should tell Dojin about Byul's visits or even confirm that Dojin and Huesung are okay with what is happening. What if someone got to or something happened to Byul while he is on the way to her place alone after lying to his parents? Lets not forget Dojin is a celeb and his family owns a conglomerate. Byul's parents will have no way of knowing where he went and where they should look, it takes away the precious time in case of a kidnapping.

Yes, Hyesung and Dojin should not dictate who Byul sees or talks to but they never had a choice bc his grandma robbed them of it. She only told Byul she left Hyesung so he does not like her, she never said she left him with an abusive SOB to escape an abusive marriage. That she did not tell her new alpha about Hyesung bc she was worried he'll leave her. She blamed Hyesung for never looking for her but he was a f'ing child. She was an adult and chose to believe her abusive ex's words bc that was convinient for her new relationship not bc she truly believed Hyesung didn't want to see her. And even if it was that Hyesung didn't want to see her, she was still the mom and made sure that Hyesung would be protected but she did not. She went back but just to get a divorce bc it was all convinient for her and her new relationship. She is a selfish woman who left her child for her happiness and you can't convince me otherwise.

I’m confused by this argument because my point was never about defending or forgiving the grandma. Obviously she was a terrible mother. I truly don’t care enough about her to defend anything she did. Any parts where it looks like I’m “defending” her is just me explaining reasons for why byul should still be given the right to see her. Because if I remember correctly, all he does is chat with her every now and then, and not actually be in the grandma’s care for long.

My actual point is between byul and Hyesung. And mainly defending byul’s right to choose what he wants to do while also respecting that Hyesung can also choose to never forgive her and never see her.

Yes, but Hyesung never got the chance to tell his story to Byul. Byul got told a half-baked story where his grandma was abandoned bc she did not tell her new family that she had a son. And Hyesung wanted nothing to do with her bc she abandoned him. She never told him what conditions he grew up in. She was n't a good parent to Hyesung but her negligence to Byul's safety alone is telling why she should not be trusted with a child.

Fr! That person is already an adult and clearly knows that her son wants nothing to do with her, yet she never even bothered to ask the parents if they were aware of Byul visiting her. She’s trying to downplay her sins by telling Byul about "her side" of the story. OP has repeatedly implied that it’s not okay for H to say Byul's not allowed to meet his grandma, accusing him of projecting his hatred onto his child, without considering that H is still deeply hurt by his mother’s actions while she enjoys spending time with her grandson, the son of the child she abandoned.

Also mind you. Who would even trust someone who left you with an abusive person. If that lady can do that to her OWN child, we won't know what she's still capable of doing

"No adult should be talking to a minor behind their parents' back "

This right here is what really pisses me off. She even kept it a secret from Dojin who she was still in contact with. Children are very impressionable she should not have been talking to Byul AT ALL.

Yikes..I don't want to become your parent. Parents are guardian, they're here to guide their child to avoid them being misguided by some random stranger or even sleazy relatives, byul is in teen. He needs to be guided. And mind you the Hyesung also a human. Byul can talk to his hag grandma but don't expect Hyesung will never got hurt lol... Is he a saint Mary the all forgiving, full of kindness, or masochist...noppe
FLASH NEWS... He can feel betrayed too...you didn't think of that don't you...are you a Mary sue or a Karen in real Life?

I don’t understand your grammar at all. Stop with the insults if you want to continue talking

Anyways you used “Mary sue” and “Karen” wrong lmao. Don’t use words you don’t understand properly.

Lol are you a grammar police? Well are you not a Mary Sue type of person? You're advice sounds like one? Oh not Mary Sue but rather Green Tea...yeah my bad. I know Karen too. They're nosy person who also excels in gaslighting other person too to make them the morally righteous one. Like you keeps misinterpreting the whole story to put the blame on the real victim which is Hyesung and no one else

Let me quote what you just said

####"As a parent, you shouldn’t dictate who your child can stay close with as family (unless that other person is a danger to them). "

My my, a mother who abandoned you then apologize half-heartedly and also blame you for not finding her...is that not a dangerous, morally corrupt person...toxic too.

####"Projecting your bad relationship with your mom/dad to make your child not like them right off the bat, isn’t a good thing"

Are you sure you're not a Mary Sue? When did Hyesung keeps hyping his bad relationship to her mother? Are we reading the same story? He didn't even want to hear anything about her Mother cause it traumatized him and here you are some Saintly douche accusing him of demonizing his own dirtbag mother to his child. Yeah, right.


#####"That’s telling them who they should hate, etc. without the child learning for themself and also denying them another person who potentially could care for them"

Oh children are allowed to learn love and hate. There's school, community club and so on and so for but you Mother Saint wants to criticized Hyesung for getting angry to his child who get close behind his back to the one who causes him so much misery. Aren't you a Mary Sue. The selfless type of Mary Sue,heh.


####'Hyesung is free to hate and never forgive his mother. That’s his own choice and no one should tell him to forgive her if he doesn’t want to."

Yeah you're right. It's Hyesung choice.




####$"But he shouldn’t ban byul from seeing her just cause of his own feelings. He should be able to tell byul the reason and that he was hurt by his mother."

Are we reading the same story? Byul and Dojin doing that thing behind Hyesung back without him knowing is a HUGGGGE RED FLAG. AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO EXPECT FROM HYESUNG. BE HAPPY, UNDERSTANDING AND SELFLESS HUMAN? REALLY?


####"But at the end of the day, byul should be the one decide if he keeps in contact with the grandma. It is his life and his relationships to choose. "

Oh yeah it's also Byul decision but in that decision lies in hurting his own Father who spoiled and loved him than his dirtbag grandma who don't have any good influence on him...


####"Dojin at least understood that part by allowing Byul to choose to see the grandma."


DOJIN! DOJIN! REALLY? WOW! YOURE UNBELIEVABLE? THAT TRAITOR DOJIN WHO VERY WELL KNEW THAT TRAUMA HYESUNG HAD BECAUSE OF HIS MOTHER. YIKES, BYUL CAN DO THAT. ANYBODY CAN DO THAT BUT NOT DOJIN BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE WHO WITNESS ALL THOSE PAIN AND HELPLESSNESS HYESUNG SUFFERED.

####"It’s clear this story tells you about how even when one person has done something bad, they can change eventually"

WHERE IS THE CHANGES? WHERE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING REDEMPTION. THE READERS CAN'T FIND IT? TELL ME WHERE IT IS? I WANT THE GRANDMA'S REDEMPTION NOT SOME HALF BAKED APOLOGY!


####"Hyesung forgave and got together with Dojin. He should be able to understand Byul’s pov since he went through a similar experience."

AND THE END ALL YOU'RE ARGUMENT LEADS TO ONE CONCLUSION, EVERYTHING IS JUST A FARCE. THAT HYESUNG SHOULD FORGIVE CAUSE WOAH HE MANAGE TO FORGIVE ONE RAPIST BECAUSE THEY GOT BONDED THEN HE CAN ALSO FORGIVE HER DIRTBAG OF A MOTHER OR BECOME UNDERSTANDING OF HIS SON AND HUSBAND WHO BETRAYED HIM LOL YOU'RE SO FUNNY. AND YOUR TELLING ME I DON'T KNOW THE USE OF WORD MARY SUE

Here’s an important point that you seem to not have read at all: I literally said Hyesung has every right to not forgive and not ever meet his own mother. So just by the fact that you thought I said “Hyesung should forgive,” tells me you don’t read properly.

And like I said, you still don’t use those words properly. That’s not what a Mary sue is, not what a Karen is, and not what “green tea” is. I bet you just heard those words and thought “wow! I can use this on anyone as insults! Yay!” Grow up and learn to speak like a mature human being instead of insulting me over a damn fictional story. You’re so mad you’re ranting and speaking in all caps. Sorry I don’t worship the ground Hyesung walks on like you do, and I actually consider the main character’s (byul) feelings as well.

Oh yeah and to properly educate you on these words you like to use but don’t understand,


Mary Sue: a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses.

Automatically wrong use of the word, because I’m a real human being and not a fictional character. You also don’t know me at all and are making assumptions about me over a fictional story. I also never claimed anything about myself being perfect and what I commented was actually the opposite of a Mary sue, which includes flaws and hyesung’s weakness along with the grandma’s.
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Karen: a slang term often used to describe a middle-aged woman who is perceived as obnoxious, angry, and entitled, particularly in situations involving public interactions.

You didn’t use this word right too.
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Green tea: Chinese girls (and others) who pretend to be sweet and innocent but are dishonest.

You also didn’t use this word right. Stop using slang you don’t understand. It’s embarrassing you’re using these words as insults when you’re really just showing how ignorant and unintelligent you are.

hiding it behind your mother already becomes the problem you know that right? and why is that they hid it?? oh because they know hyesung's ill feeling towards her mother who abandoned him that byul and d*jin is aware of.

aside from the fact that byul don't know the whole story (like left hyesung with an abusive father). even if hyesung might be in the wrong for preventing byul and his mother to interact,, ain't hye's initial reaction and mechanism be based to what he himself experienced from his mom?? the pain and betrayal that makes him protective now that he is a mom himself now? so what if she changed? it wouldn't just erased the fact that the grandma just get to be happy with the child of the son she abandoned –who was forced to survive on his own.


hyesung sees it as form of betrayal in its very moment (low-key and technically)
no expectation for hye to instantly embrace byul with grandma, even if he slowly do, its still not odd for the situation be bittersweet.

Coming in again. It's just so funny to me how they kept on focusing on the most irrelevant thing in this argument just to make a comeback. I mean, ignoring all your message and diverting their answers? Ahaha funny.