tf cant u just admire the plot? it's not romanticizing child marriage. if you're looking at it on a today's lense, yeah sure, it's disgusting. but this phenomena were normal in the early 1500. as a reader, you have to broaden your perspectives. to add, tei and shuraka's relationship at the time is actually quite respectful. So, try to be open minded, Brothers Without a Tomorrow is a great author.
Firstly, it's set in historical times when child marriage was the way for nobles. Secondly, the change the body shows for 12 years to 24 years is astronomically different compared to 24 to 32 years.
You pretty much told the commenter to be quiet and stop complaining about a topic that rightfully makes them uncomfortable. I also see quite a bit of gaslighting. Just because you like and are comfortable with something does not mean that someone else can't express their discomfort or dislike. You said that it is not romanticizing child marriage while actively defending child marriage with the whole "It was normal 1000s of years ago excuse". I do find that I hate that rhetoric/mindset. It's a flimsy way that people who want to defend dangerous, traumatic, and gross acts that happen with consistency and "what was normal" in the past. Many things happened in the past that people thought were normal or okay or even didn't care that were absolutely vike such as slavery, r*pe, p3d0. Also, who are you to tell ANYONE as a reader ro do ANYTHING? Especially "broaden your prespective"? One can broaden their "perspective" as wide as the sky but awareness is not approval and that wouldn't make them suddenly like the very odd dynamic between an adult politically marrying a child even if it is because they feel they have to. And I do agree with you that there relationship is could be a WHOLE lot worse. That is very true. But I still see completely how it could make one uncomfortable. You tell the commenter to be more ooen minded but what you really mean is "stop expressing your discomfort it is making me feel like I can't be comfortable in my morally questionable bias." I also agree with you that BWAT is a great author. Their stories and characters are entertaining and have depth that's hard to come by. However, these are stories and no one or thing is exempt from questioning, contemplation, or criticisms.
you're right, actually—on most parts. but my whole point was that as a reader, you have to expect the unexpected, or at least try to think of the unthinkable. like in The Da Vinci Code: you may not agree with the beliefs or the ideas in the story, but as a reader you need to understand the underlying aspects of it. It's one of the ways to broaden one’s perspective.
in addition, no one’s defending the problematic stuff from the past, but your knowledge becomes limited if you put up a wall around those topics just because they make you uncomfortable. still, it all comes down to personal preference.
Your completely free to drop this story but I have a question, you do realize that half of the BL genre has red to yellow flags in it right, so why are you here and not on shounen-ai side of bl where its more comfortable? I wouldnt torture myself with this side of BL if I were you lol Also its not romanticizing child marriage, its just the circumstance for this story. If it was truly romanticizing child marriage there wouldnt be a time skip where the kid is an adult who can finally consent but instead keeping him as a kid and gradually introducing constant skinship and other forms of intimacy
Leave this story behind and be free from painful drama! Go! Travel to the horizon, there are many other delicious dishes for you to dine on!
This reply cleared your stance up quite a bit and I appreciate that. Your perspective makes a lot of sense. The only thing is that your initial response and a very tiny bit of your second response gave of the vibe that the commenter was in a position of obligation and was sonehow wrong simply for expressing that the dynamic throws it off for them and how they are dissapointed and tired of manhwa having weird age and power dynamics in relationships (which is very true). I am also the type read thibgs regardless of that fact that I don't like a certain dynamic as long as it is written well, necessary to the plot and writers intentions, framed in a way that does not prove the writer to be disgusting, and/or I deem it necessary. I'll probably keep reading because they don't make the other mc being that young the focal point and don't seem to be romanticizing that part specifically. I still am weirded out and kind of uncomfortable with the dynamic even though I've seen it before and I will stop readibg if I deem it necessary (as I have before) but for now I am curious enough to keep going. Sorry for the long reply.
No problem, I appreciate your side, as well. Thank you. Hoping for a good read on this one.
Yeah and i also free to comment
Still weird
Yeah, no reply to that since other already reply ya comment, and I am also free to comment whatever make me feel uncomfortable.
Only if you don't put it in context
Even with context it already weird smh
How is it weird in this context? Have you perhaps examined why you're uncomfortable? See, we always assume our discomfort is due to the material. But sometimes our discomfort is due to us.
?? What ya yapping now, it my discomfort not yours, who is we or us in here lmaoo. Huge age gap relationship to literally a child and adult will surely make everyone feel icky smh even with context.
I see you're determined to be offended, that you're making things what they aren't. There interaction hasn't been sexual or romantic in any shape or form so far. He's more like a guardian to him, he treated him like the child he is. So wtf are you getting this icky feelings?? Seems to me you need to do some self reflection
I think you are completely missing the point here. It feels weird BECAUSE he has that relationship with him. Although they are not outright romantic or sexual it is odd. Just like it is weird for someone to be romantic or sexual with a child it is also weird for someone WAS in a guardian position with a child or minor AND THEN proceeded to be sexual and romantic with them. It is two sides of the same coin. It would be one thing if they were arranged and he was like a gaurdian and protected and guided him throughout his life but it is another to be a guardian AND THEN have a romantic or sexual relationship with them. And there is nothing to refute because we all know that this is literally a BL and has the genre "yaoi" and they are the two main characters.
Dawg you the should have self reflection. If you not feel icky about it then you the problem. Go get help or some jeez...
I am not one of say “if you don't like it, then don't read it” because I believe readers are by their nature people with inquiring minds, people open to see different perspectives, to examine it. I once read a book where incest was the central theme. One of the brothers was even special needs, to make things worse!! Everything in me was screaming as I was reading it! But the author also wrote a compelling story! There are very few novels that, so many after reading it, still leaves me in awe. It was a splendid book! And so, I could set aside my personal beliefs and appreciate the beauty in the art that was created. If you're a reader, you need to understand context and argue context. Any readers who dismisses context is a reader I don't take seriously.
As to this particular yaoi, there has been no romantic/sexual interaction between these two. We don't know if they're going to jump each other’s bones in the next chapter, or if it's going to take 60 chapters (as its appears to for another yaoi here). Furthermore, this yaoi is set in historical times, when their sense of morality differed quite a lot from modern times. So what exactly is the point of getting one’s pants in a bunch at so early a stage? We're just 7 chapters in!!! They're going to be quite miserable if that's how they plan to spend their time. My point stands, we need to read in context. Unless we are far more interested in fanning our “higher” sense of morality, because maybe it makes us feel good. And if the latter is the case, self-reflection is still needed: “I like feeling superior to all those deprived readers.”
I think the way you dive into texts and forms of literature/books is very interesting and I can relate to it a lot. I am also curious about what I read and finish many of them even if I don't necessarily like what is written or drawn because I find something about it compelling enough such as the writing, new perspectives, or to be informed and spread my worldview. However, that isn't what I think is the "problem". I think that it is the hypocrisy and self-centered mindset(not in a super bad or evil way) that you are displaying. You are telling a reader HOW to discern, take in, compartmentalize, and read a book. You are telling them what they "should" do with what they feel. And on top of that you state that you don't take readers that don't do these certain things that YOU do because YOU value it and YOU feel it to be the "right" or "best" way.
The thing is, not to offend you, it really does not matter what you think about other readers and how they read in the slightest. It only really matters to you. This concept of labeling and creating a hierarchy in your mind when greeted with different concepts of different readers is all in your mind and doesn't truly mean anything. You even use very slight fear mongering by saying that they will be "miserable" if that's how they "spend their time". You have absolutely no way of knowing that. You do not know this person. If anything, they are keeping their peace by not reading or just expressing what makes them uncomfortable. Its okay to not give up your comfort for every topic or concept that makes you feel uncomfortable, it's okay to read the way you do, it's okay to only read picture books, it's ojay to have personal rules for yourself and what you read. There IS no right or better way. No one technically NEEDS to do most things.
I don't know if you are aware of it but you are actually ALSO fanning your "higher" sense of morality because it makes you feel good. I think self-reflection is possibly necessary for you as well but only if you are interested in it. "I like feeling superior to all those deprived readers" seems to be a thing in your case as well. You think and believe that way is right or you are very defensive of it because someone stating a mindset different from yours makes you go into defense by going on the offensive and belittling theirs. You feel your way to be right or "the best" when that simply isn't the case. It's just different and it's yours.
Also, we both know (I'd hope we did) that they are going to end up together romantically and most likely sexually as well. Even with seven chapters in that's obvious and I think you probably agree but played "devil's advocate" for the sake of your argument. I'm not going to go into morality and certain acts and dynamics with minors and young people in the oast and present again right now because it will not be constructive.
Please correct me if I am wrong and this is not me trying to correct you but I do like to comment on here about certain things I observe every now and then.
Why bl all like this, so fking weird. the age gap is so unreal dawg. Child marriage giving me ick, why the red eye guy not an old man after 10+years??. Is this like manhwa logic or some lol. It giving romantize child marriage....