Wow you're great at getting your point across. And you made me think further - yeah, the girls that read noncon works are unlikely to go and act it out, so why read it? Maybe because we would emphasize with the victim and having these kind of crimes shown here makes it acknowledged while elsewhere it's ignored because it's uncomfortable? There's so much noncon happening daily in real life, and we are always told we are in danger of it happening to us, so having it be part of a story makes it real and present in ways other genres hide it away and pretend it doesn't happen
You're right babe, I remember back when I was reading My Suha and the comment section felt like a damn war zone for a whole month, and I was fucking exhausted. I was only 20 at the time (yeah, young people indeed), but I was still tired. That’s when I realized I couldn’t control other people, so after reading the manhwa, I just logged out and stopped checking the comments. We can’t control other people, but we can control how we behave.
This story has such an interesting plotline, and I still want to keep up with it sooo bad even though there’s rape in it. Most people’s reactions are valid, I think it shows they’re still “healthy.” WE CAN KEEP READING WITHOUT JUSTIFYING THE RAPE, right? People are literally talking about it nonstop because we never know how far a story can influence someone into thinking rape is “okay.” It’s lucky that most readers here still understand it’s wrong and wouldn’t ever do it, but what if the story reaches the wrong kind of person?
Yeah, I know it’s not my responsibility and I probably shouldn’t care this much. The issue lies with the person themselves. But at the very least, comments like these can act as a warning for people who might consider doing something like "that" in the future or even stop someone from doing it. We never know.
not to get psychological on u when i just crashed out abt wanting to lock in and gush over incheol's titty mole, but if i had to guess, most ppl here are taking a break from studying for exams, or getting a goodnight story in before work. they enjoy the literature, the art, the story. and dark themes aside, incheol's titty mole getting love bitten by pyeonghwa could be the tiny silver thread keeping them holding on in a battle for their life! esp in this economy LOL so i just. i rlly wish ppl would do something relaxing for them, not shame others, not uselessly fight over morals and ethics like. we could have such a fun book club out here!!! discussing things!!! and doing it while not calling each other dumb btches or sick criminals every 2 seconds!!! and u made a great point about dark topics being of free and open discussion in spaces like these, while irl it feels too taboo at times to ever bring up seriously!
please take care of your health first and foremost! i realize it can be daunting when it feels like dark themes in literature are being normalized or downplayed - or most dishearteningly, fetishized. but i also think it's important to not catastrophize the situation and think rationally about, again - who the audience for works like these are, and who the overwhelming majority of sa/rapists are and if anything, works like these where the noncon isn't glorified as some sparkly magical prostate thing where incheol magically starts enjoying it can help young fans contextualize the true weight of sa and what it does to ppl. as for the adult women gooning out to incheol's suffering.....trust they know the weight already, and are likely just destressing by themselves preparing to go to work the next day again, finding noncon hot in fictional settings isn't for everyone. some can think its detestable, and you're allowed to! but as for real world repercussions and lecturing ppl on morals and ethics, pls just remember that gooner girl in the comments indulging in dark bl will likely not touch a 3D man with a ten-foot pole, let alone trap them in some psychological noncon torture chamber bc of a bl they read. of course not everyone here is a girl, shoutout to the enby folks and occasional guy. but really, that "wrong kind of person" is more likely than not, a lonely straight man who is watching revenge porn and hates women again, there are nuances. but if we're talking about the vast majority of cases, i wouldn't die on the dark bl manhwa hill.
definitely cater to your own literature interests, however, and keep your inner peace by doing what's right for u! i just want to come on here and see discussions with substance and fangirl over characters and not glorify the kinks per say, but indulge in them and just enjoy my free time away from the world! idk! hope this gives u some peace of mind or anything!
I get it but tbh I also think if that's what someone is upset about they're gonna complain yk? And if it happens a lot of people are upset about it, as is pretty much always gonna be the case with a rape plot, justifiably so, then you're gonna get a lot of complaints. It's difficult to ask people not to complain and be upset abt such a serious thing, and the story will continue regardless and people will move on to other things, it's just how it works. Like there's a rape scene so you get a lot of people talking about rape?? Kinda duh lol
i don't mind any discussions about the plot!!! i dont even mind ppl saying this has noncon so hey i'm out. but when the discussion devolves into arguing for the sake of arguing, judging and moral superiority policing, calling ppl sick criminals or just not even talking abt the manhwa anymore....it's like? damn some of us want to have a good discussion about the characters...and tbh i think the "duh....thats the way it is" reasoning is a bad cop out for keeping low standards and letting ppl be horrible and unpleasant. i hope ppl will move on bc seeing the threads of just fighting constantly, no substance towards the actual plot, has been exhausting and unenjoyable
Ig i just don't see debating about the morals of rape use in manga as horrible? I mean again yes it can be tiring but when i say duh i mean less that's just the way it is and more that's the way it should be when we're confronted with nuanced topics like this. And if it's about expectations, i'm sure the mangaka knew it would evoke this kind of discourse and it's part of why they include it - ofc i get you're saying it's fine as part of the plot, but i see the overall discussion of rape and that kind of play as a whole in real life as an inherent part of what the manga is trying to evoke in us as readers emotionally to think about and discuss. And if people are gonna come out and say they think it's hot, as i said people are gonna wanna argue about it, i think rightfully so anyway. But maybe i just haven't read enough of the comments to see people being called disgusting criminals and stuff idk i think it's difficult to draw a line over where the discourse becomes too hateful in such a topic like this when there's so much at play esp of real life experiences. It's basically impossible to separate real life from fiction and plot in these instances, and i think that's intentional on the mangaka's part anyway considering the overall darker themes
i'm like literally obsessed w this manhwa rn and i wanna book club w the girlies but the girlies r too busy FIGHTING EACH OTHER in the comments i'm crying like pls. pls. let's just get some things straight and PLEASE get back to the plot bc unlike some of u may think most of us r here for the PLOT......and unc's titty mole but that's Secondary!!!!!!
1) yes, this was rape/noncon. i'm only saying this bc i'm concerned for the young girls in the comments. even if unc verbally consented, he did NOT really want this, puked, passed out, and no - getting his dick sucked and coming doesn't mean he enjoyed the first part any semblance of control incheol THINKS he has is bc he thinks pyeonghwa is being real w him. he is not (as far as we can gauge). this WHOLE manhwa has been transactional sex under the burden of coercion = have sex with me, and maybe i'll consider giving you what you want (the gym).
2) no, liking this manhwa, or, hell - liking the noncon scene or thinking its hot is NOT the detriment of humanity. pls. pls. stop trying to therapist in the comments. yes some young ppl be on these sites but ME personally? i am an adult a tired one. i come here to relax and brainstorm characters and indulge in FICTION. that is the case for MOST ppl here. if you want to get into the psychology of why ppl (let alone women) think noncon is hot, go write a master's thesis on it omg we r on MANGAGO reading a dark comic. pls just. chill knowing most ppl who read bl comics are women, girls, nonbinary ppl who will likely be the victims - not the perpetrators do men read bl too? sure. but they sure aint the majority audience. can women rape ppl too? yes. absolutely yes. but let's just UNPLUG for one second omg WHY R WE GIVING MORAL AND ETHICS LECTURES IN THE COMMENTS. the girlies here enjoying this comic i GUARANTEE U will not be out in the streets nonconing ppl we r tired girls wanting something interesting to talk abt that makes us think, feel something, and be in a community w ppl. like i get reacting to the chapter and not liking it. sure! BUT THE THREADS OF DEBATE ON MORALITY oh my GAWD i hope this stops next chp bc I JUST WANNA TALK ABT THE MANHWA!!!!!! THE PLOT!!!! incheol's motivations!!!!!!! pyeonghwa sucking a hickey in unc's tittymole!!!!!!! omg PLEASEJE give it a REST. GO do something enjoyable. that's what i'm Trying to do
ugh. crashout over.