So many comments missing the bigger picture here

Wtf is wrong with you? I do have issues with that bit, and I'm not going to ignore something stupidly sexist because someone accuses me of jumping onto 'feminist propaganda'. The way she was belittled for being an 'inadequate' female is EXTREMELY problematic. The belittling was done in no other context.
I'm curious; do you genuinely believe that people who stand up for one thing must be against another? That is, feminists are against homosexuality simply because they choose to focus on one issue rather than another. You can't support something without having to give up on something else? Are you seriously that narrow-minded? Can you seriously NOT see why some people may be annoyed by the way she was spoken down to, for no reason other than being a woman? I pity you, then.
Also, I definitely support gay men in real life, and would never do anything to cause them discomfort, but personally, I consider yaoi to be manga-porn-story. I don't see how something I'm doing to amuse myself without imposing on anybody makes me an evil non-supporter. So, yeah, when I'm reading smutty yaoi in my personal time, I am getting hot and bothered over two men f*cking. I'm not reading yaoi thinking that me enjoying men in a relationship is magically contributing to the cause in any way. Call it a fetish if you will. I'm glad your eyes have been opened about something, at least.

If this was a shoujo and a woman was insulted, your point and complaint would be valid. However, this isn't shoujo, It's yaoi and just like every other narrow mind, you missed the bigger picture. In fact, you missed the entire point of the entire exchange. I'm not the one with something wrong in this case since I can read and I can think for myself without having to use buzzwords, like fucking "problematic", that I picked up from a worthless college course or social media. Do you consult your Gender Studies professor or Facebook before you wipe your ass too? Your comment has the intelligence and sharpness of a marble.

I guess I struck a nerve when I hit the nail on the head for some readers. It sucks to be called out on your narrow minded shit, doesn't it. Some will try to hide their real agenda behind a smile and a nod, but have a hard time keeping their words and thoughts from leaking out. "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be feared a homophobe than to open it and remove all doubt." LOL

Once again, you act as though it is only possible to focus on one issue without considering any others. You haven't answered any of my questions. You don't make any new points. Once again you insinuate I'm a homophobe simply because sexism bothers me. You simply prattle on pointlessly without actually getting to a point, much less an intelligent argument. I do wonder about the 'real agenda' you're mentioning, though. Is the entire world a conspiracy theory to you?
Oh, also, I'm an economics major. :-)

You and everyone else are the ones focusing on only one issue. The feminist issue, and ignoring entirely the gay minority issue. This is a manga about gay men, yes? Then wouldn't it be logical that the issues faced by the protagonist are, and should be, the focus of the reader's attention? Otherwise, any "moral of the story" would be completely lost. Which, here, it has been. This is why I say that those who focus solely on the feminist issue have missed the bigger picture and "moral of the story" the mangaka was attempting to convey. I concede that the feminist point is valid, but it is not the focus of the story, the protagonists and their issues are. Not every reader failed to miss the "moral of the story", but a great number did. They ignored entirely the gay minority "moral" in lieu of the feminist issue. This isn't a manga that is focused on women and the issues they face. This manga is focused on two gay, male protagonists and the issues they face. The female secondary character is an antagonist, the character meant to create conflict within the plot, or the "villian". I realize that rooting for the villian has become a novel thing to do, but if in one's desire to seek novelty, one misses the crux and moral of the story, the whole point of reading it, and the mangaka's purpose for writing it, has been lost. Of course, as a reader, I will set aside the antagonist's issues in favor of the protagonist's issues because the protagonist's issues are the point if the story. The protagonist is why one is reading the story. It's not that I, as a person, don't care about feminist issues, it is that I don't focus on an antagonist's issues when reading a story about a protagonist's issues.

I read this again. And your comment put in words what I was thinking. I admit that I did get angry because of Icchan's assertions on the girl the first time I read it. But as discussed in a previous comment, the girl was already doing something wrong. She was prejudging Yuzu. But I was still bothered for some reason so I decided to reread it.
First of all I don't know why I, or anyone else for that matter, got so hanged up in him calling her helpless, when most mangas have at least one or more sentence diminishing women or anything associated to women. "It doesn't matter if I get scarred, I'm not a girl", "How can I be so in love, I'm acting girly" and zillion more examples as those. I've never seen anyone saying anything about those. Maybe because we have learnt to dismiss it as collateral or the culture and environment where the work was conceived. But why not here? I think that because a girl is literally involved here instead of being just a passing remark.
And in paying so much attention to it, I think that we misunderstand what Icchan meant to say. The burnt senpai gets angry at Icchan for checking on her and not checking on Yuzu, when he was the one that reacted and got her away from the fire. Because in her mindset, Yuzu's "girlish" behaviour made him someone to be protected and incapable of anything else but be a maiden in distress. She doesn't see him as a man. Denying him his identity, opinion and merits.
Yuzu never saw himself as a girl. He didn't thinks cooking or such made him less of a man. And neither does Icchan. Yes, he wants to be a princess, but is more the idea of it because he sees Icchan as a prince, and the partner of a prince is a princess.
I really love this mangaka's ukes. They have an inner strength that most ukes don't. Yuzu is no exception. He is interested in cooking and wants to be a princess, but the art doesn't make him the staple petite, girlish, big-eyed uke. He's tall and manly. He doesn't resent it much until he worries for Icchan but once assured about it he doesn't care anymore. He stands tall. And neither him nor Icchan diminish his interests for being "girly". They don't resent it. They just take it as a part of Yuzu's being. The only one who doesn't see acceptable for a man to have such interests is the senpai. Not explicitly, but her treatment of Yuzu and behaviour towards him is insulting to Yuzu and to any man who could have interests that would be deemed "girlish" by society.
Anyways, the main reason I didn't like senpai was because I hate characters that keep pushing their feelings onto the obviously attached main character while completely disregarding their characters and only pursuing the idea of them.
Now I see I wrote too much. Sorry.
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No need to apologize. You echoed the words that were in my own heart for this manga and mangaka. I was sorely disappointed that such wonderful characters and story were being eclipsed by the tribulations of an antagonist and secondary character. What is worse is that this arc of the story wasn't poorly written. So, the issue was a lack of understanding by the readers. I have been told I "think too much" and that manga is just entertainment. For some mangaka, this is true. For others, however, they put their heart and soul into writing a story and those mangaka deserve to have me put the same effort into understanding what they are trying to convey in their story. So, yeah, I do have a habit of thinking a lot about what a mangaka is trying to say in their story. Yaoi may be a form of pornography, but shounen ai isn't and most yaoi have more shounen ai in them than they have explicit sex scenes. They tend to tell a story. Is it so much to ask that readers make an effort to understand the story when the manga has one? Apparently, it is. Honestly, I am stunned by the lack of reading comprehension in most readers who comment. (I can't speak on those who don't comment since their thoughts on the stories are not conveyed.) Have they stopped teaching that in schools now? You know, like "book reports" and writing essays on your impression of classic allegorical novels? I mean, all yaoi and BL are about two guys in a relationship, yet there are over 5000 on this site alone. Why, if they are all telling the same story, do we need so many? Because they are NOT telling the same story. They each have deeper meaning. I read one, "Meeting Him", where the story was a beautiful analogy to the feelings of loss after a lover dies. The MC's lover dies and he is, then, also killed. He suddenly finds himself alive in a "different world" where he must learn how to live again. It was amazing and incredibly well written, yet readers could not understand why certain "plot holes" were not filled in. They completely missed the bigger picture of what the mangaka was trying to convey. The manga was a five star story and the comments made me cry. No one got it. You should check it out, it's complete and really well written. Maybe I am just too old. I remember when cartoons (anime) had a "lesson" to learn embedded in every episode. Do they even do THAT anymore?

I don't know if it's just a flabbergasting lack of reading comprehension, but also a failure to distinguish between reality and fiction, and their codes. The most common example would be the trope of rape in yaoi and the outrage of the readers. I've recently got into an argument for pointing out that the rape tag in second place was a disservice to a certain manga. It was a light-hearted comedy where "rape" was tested the same way as if the seme would have spilled coffee on the uke. It was an annoying and inconvenient event that was useful to move the plot forward. Nothing more, nothing less. Yet most of the comments were of the readers' dismay and outrage because of the "rape" scene. And a few ones of would-be readers asking if it was a really bad scene. So I complained about how the use of such a tag would keep readers away of a cute manga where "rape" was trivial, because other readers gave it importance where there was none.
I don't think that cartoons (manga or/and anime) don't have lessons anymore. But now they are burried in double-meanings and the incompetence of the consumers to distinguish them. Ignorance is preferred and encouraged. Is easier to get offended than try to understand a different culture with a different way of communicating (not only the language) and a different point of view, history and society. Messages get lost in translation and million of other things (social networks are a double-edged sword, since they allow us to receive content from across the globe, but they also allow to judge completely different cultures with our own parameters).

I have no idea what your point here is.

TLDR; When an effeminate gay man was treated like a woman readers ignored that prejudice and, instead, focused on the moment when a woman was given special treatment as a woman and called it sexist. Gay men are not women, regardless of how effeminate they are. Women, however, ARE women and take great pains to indulge in special treatment when it suits them, but when it doesn't, it is suddenly sexist.

Sometimes, I swear, you must live inside my own head! LOL Everything you have said here has been said by me a hundred times or more. By the way, I miss our discussions. I hope you are well.

I don't know how I didn't get around to this manga before now, but I did just manage to read it.

I love what you wrote above and it irks me to no end how readers here tend to get focused on ONE bit (and not even the important ones) and just go crazy over it. In this case, it was really pissing me off that she kept going on and on about protecting him, like... uh, yeah, he said that Icchan protected him in the past and that's what made Icchan a "prince" to Yuzu but he didn't need protecting anymore (and in fact, rather bemoans that because he's so tall now. :P). I was so annoyed how she kept pushing herself onto him and talking about protecting him like he's not capable of it.

Thank you for pointing this out. It's really frustrating when they get so focused on their own anger they miss the point entirely.

I understand why young, female readers react the way they did. Feminism and feminist principals are shoved down kid's throats starting in kindergarten and it continues unabated through college. They also relate more to a female character more than a gay male character since they, themselves, are female. I understand it, but it doesn't mean I condone it, nor does it make their thinking any less narrow minded or ignorant. Icchan was always chivalrous. Whether to Yuzu or to the senpai, his intent was always kindness and courtesy. The same can't be said for the senpai. She saw Yuzu as weak and in need of help and protection. Icchan never saw Yuzu this way, he protected him out of kindness and love, not pity. This is the difference between chivalry and pity. Yuzu also didn't need Icchan's protection, but he allowed it and enjoyed it because he loved Icchan. Protection from anyone else would be unnecessary and unwelcome. It would also be viewed, possibly, as pity. The mangaka wrote a beautiful example of this situation in this manga and it was lost on far too many readers. It really made me sad.

Cringest thread I've ever read.

And yet you still had to be part of it. LOL

Are you really laughing out loud? Didn't know I was so funny :) Anyway, I was just sharing my feelings, I'll leave you to your ranting (●'◡'●)ﾉ

Yes, I am. I genuinely found it funny that, although you found it cringey, you still felt the need to add your comment. It's like passing a horrible wreck on the road. You know you should look away, but you just can't stop looking anyway.

You know, your perspective is not the only perspective. You get to have opinions, but so does everyone else. Throwing around the word homophobic just because people didn't prioritize the feelings of a gay man over a women is damaging and petty. There is some rampant sexism in the gay community. It's not always overt, but it's there, and it's not totally surprising when you think about it sociologically, but at this point, it's old news. This comment was over-whelmingly anti-feminist though, and it's no wonder Kaito was cringing. Taking about feminist principals as if they are some sort of terrible propoganda to protect your kids from is one thing, but the whole idea where cis gay men act as if it's such an insult to be compared to women is just backwards. It's 2019, not 1999, we respect all genders and orientations here. If you are comfortable with yourself and secure in your identity, you don't need to pitch a fit for being compared to a girl. You just roll your eyes at the ignorance. Plenty of women fuck and plenty of men get fucked and plenty of people are doing whatever they want. Gay men aren't women? Yeah, no shit, Sherlock, what else is new?

I haven't read the story though. I just wanted to check the comments and found this shitstorm. I swear, this place can get almost as bad as facebook. I fear for the comment sections on shota works. I don't even know how to begin to unpack that can of worms. (Excuse the mixed metaphors.) Go to practically any story where rape is mentioned, and it's pretty much the same. This shit gets devicive, and I just want to have a good time. :(

THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT!! This was on my mind was reading through this whole discourse LMAO wish I could thumbs up! I’m mad late but User Mameiha reallly gotta relax.