Um, wait a minute. Whoever said that she discriminates against the uncle for being gay or made him suffer trauma? I simply think she made a dick move. Just like the uncle. I understand both sides on why they would do what they did, but that doesn't mean I like it. And as said, she could only make such a comment because he is gay. And it wasn't some random fact drop. She wanted him to feel something about it. But I dont think she hates gays. I do think her comment was wrong to say just as his leading on was wrong to do. Just because you have a reason to do something, doesn't make it right or agreeable. All I can do is say I understand why, but overall both actions were wrong.
And what are your "major" points? You said that she did nothing wrong, that the uncle was a coward who did everything wrong so hating on her is wrong". And you also said the author just did some random fact drop on how gays can't get married. Though any logical mind can see that Wonmin was saying that to make Suho feel something and not just some random fact drop. She didn't say it to discriminate gays, but to show him what he can't do. It was something only towards Suho. Wonmin being able to say that and for it to be true is what addresses the fact that it is a problem.
I say that uncle is wrong, but I can understand his reason. People can be scared and run from themselves. People get desperate and irrational. I don't blame him since being gay comes with a lot in modern times. Which is what ties into why I stated that gays get murdered. Because I do not blame him for not accepting reality. It can be scary.
and a blast it is. for real. lol! the only comment thread that i enjoyed reading through because none of that ad hominem shit please~ would've enjoyed adding more comments, but damn, where do you buy time.... anyway, have a good one, too!
You said she 'took a jab at his sexuality' if I remember correctly. Then from your words I also understood that you thought that the her asking him to the wedding would have an effect on him for a very long time and that it's different from a broken heart which heals. To which I have presented that the number one and two reason for suicide is because of love and that it wasnt that big of a deal because in then story, we see he is able to recover after simply one night of drinking.
And now you are starting to but words in my mouth. I have said that the uncle was a coward for using women as shields and these actions seemed morally incorrect. Pretty much all of my rebuttals to your points have remained unaddressed, all of my support is in this thread. If you have read all that I have said, youll also see that I stated that as their circumstances were really difficult, none should be taking the blame.
Any thinking mind could probably tell that her reasons were more complex then her simply wanting to spite him. In a way, with him watching the marriage she can finally show she's moved on from him. Psychologically speaking, both parties will able to completely and cleanly break off and put an end to the relationship all together. This will pretty much lift a weight off of both of their minds from their ill ended relation and theyll both finally be able to move on from one another. So in this sense Id actually argue that him going there may have been a good thing for both of them.
What a ride! Comments got so long tht the thead has two pages lol. Time is precious indeed, see ya around
Yes. By taking a jab at his sexuality, I meant what I just said. She could only say what she could because he is gay. If he were straight, she couldn't say that.
And I think I conveyed that wrong. I'm not saying that her inviting him will be some mental obstacle he will have to cope with. I'm saying time (in most cases I hear of) heals a broken heart and gay marriage will take a very long time to get in Asian countries. In her lifetime, she may or may not recover from Suho, but gays such as him probably won't get the same rights in their lifetime. And it's not only just Suho who can "never get married in their country". That's why I believe it becomes more offensive or off putting when read. And yes, suicide can be lead to due to a broken heart, but from what I'm getting as results, it seems more due to mental illness. And I don't think that was her case, well, it wasn't since she is alive.
Ah, so JUST him using women and such makes him a coward. Gotcha. It seemed like you disliked him in the beginning (the vibes coming from your comment) and you were trying to push his wrongs just to prove the innocence of Wonmin. Like he has done everything wrong. But all I can get from all of this is that Suho used women which was WRONG so since her reaction is only that: an action as a results of someone else's actions then she isn't wrong. She hasn't done anything wrong. Thus leaving everything onto him. So blame is on him. She wouldn't have done that if he had not used her. The society being a dick has nothing to do with her so we can't take it further by saying if gays were accepted he wouldn't do what he did so that would really only leave him at fault for choosing to use someone. It's hard to understand your side when you say she did nothing wrong and say there is no fault. Like there isn't a balance in it.
I don't know. I feel that someone who has truly moved on wouldn't need that other person to affirm things anymore. They're okay with the not knowing, because they are moving forward. I feel that she is over him romantically, but she wants him there to get over the whole entire situation or for closure. I don't necessarily believe that he needs to be there. But I can see how he can be there to move on, but more so to "forgive" himself or know that she's okay despite what he did. I think he regrets a lot and that's his struggle with it all.
Well, time is given to the young, as I'm young and in a few months will be hit with harsh reality of adulthood I can feel the time seeping away. It was great talking and all. I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Have a nice day. Hopefully we're not at odds every time we see each other's comments in the future. (° ʖ °)
wow people seem super forgiving of what the uncle has done. In fact I don't even think some people think he's done anything wrong at all. Keep in mind that this guy went around dating girls and playing with their feelings for his own benefit to dispel the rumors that he was gay. Pretty cowardly and morally wrong if you ask me although I do see why he'd do something like tht.
Then he takes it further than just simply dating and we're talkin about MARRIAGE. Just think about her point of view for a sec.
How do you think she'd feel if theyre both in a very deep relationship and probably in love (at least she thinks), have had talks about marriage and their future together and then *BAM* ''sorry Im gay and all this time Ive been using you to make people believe Im straight as society looks down on anyone who is not the norm. Oh and btw my bestie who Ive introduced you to is who Im in love with.''
Understandably she would feel pretty betrayed and upset. I really think she acted pretty reasonably in that meet where they talked and was not be ''bitchy'' at all. Then she goes and says she wants him to come to her marriage because it is something he cannot do in their country. Okay that was rude af but honestly she wasnt discriminating gays, she was simply stating a fact and all she did was say be really rude with tht one sentence v.s him leading her on for years. So in conclusion yall are going way over the top hating on her when she didnt really do anything wrong.
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