But Sangtae didn’t rape him. It maybe sexual assault but without penetration.the first sex scene is later in ch 19 and I think Santagtae asks him if he can put it.
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Yeah, i said "sexual assault AND rape", the sexual assault is the 1st scene and the rape is the stall scene where he penetrates him with fingers. I definitely made this clear, i even refer to the first scene as sexual assault.
If you're trying to argue that the stall scene isn't rape because he didn't use his dick, i'm sorry but that's not right. It fits rape by definition, it says "penetration", not penile penetration. He penetrated an unwilling straight guy with his fingers while he couldn't fight back. Rape. Plain and simple. Try to switch the sexes, if Jinwoo were a woman in this exact same scenario, would you argue that it wasn't rape if Sangtae fingered her vagina? It's the same thing. Men use the ass to do intercouse, hence the term "mancunt" and other vaginal comparisons.
I don’t have an account, so I can’t like this OP but I would
And to the other anon, does getting technical matter? It’s nonconsensual regardless of penetration
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Tbh at the end of the day it’s yaoi lmao you came for it not to overthink the typical shit we always see sadly in yaoi I will just take this as a damn smut and enjoy I don’t care anymore Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
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I can respect that. I COULD just not take this seriously, i just don't feel like it. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
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Thank you for debunking the arguments with actual facts! My reactions to the apologists was in the line of "did we read the same stuff?". I mean, I am (sadly) used to rape in mangas/manhwas by now; you can even enjoy these kind of stories, I mean, go ahead if it's only fictional. But you MUST be aware of what you're endorsing. Don't pretend Sangtae isn't using a convenient situation to rape his "crush", and don't pretend Jiwoon wants any of the things happening to him (that includes the bullying, btw, something discussed here already; Sangtae might be an S, but Jiwoon isn't an M, he doesn't like to be harassed). Either way, no one is telling people to stop reading - I myself won't stop - just... please realize Sangtae is trash and because of his actions, Jiwoon, who has never done anything wrong, is going through a lot of pain and stress.
I've been saying it all along, people are too quick to take the comedy bait and not hate Sangtae, it's retardedly effective, there were some even arguing that Jinwoo WANTED it... They want this to be something it's not, a cute romance about a straight guy falling for a guy guy who's had a crush on him, but it's really not... The crush isn't a focal point of the story, it's a plot device along with the comedy to make you question if you really SHOULD hate Sangtae. If the comedy wasn't there this'd just be a tragedy story, one of those deep ones that leave a bad taste in your mouth and can end up "happy" (bittersweet ending, maybe where the straight guy unwillingly gives in to his trained body and isn't happy while being used by the 'S' seme) or fucked up (straight guy leaves job and maybe eventually the city as well carrying the trauma that caused him to be unable to have sex with his girlfriend, maybe he starts unwillingly having sex with guys after he moves and is disgusted by it, but he can't help it anymore?). I can see it! Take a look at the last chapter and remove any comedy, like the face he makes where he says he "couldn't get it up", the face lessens the impact of what he's saying and how serious he's really feeling. The comedy is literally just here FOR this reason, damage control. "don't hate Sangtae TOO much, don't take Jinwoo's pain TOO seriously, if you do this story will be REALLY dark~".
Yes. Though i want to specify something, reading and enjoying ANYTHING isn't "endorsing it", what IS is when they try to argue against the reality of the situation, when they try to rationalize and excuse the actions. I'm assuming that's what you meant.
Hey, I do agree with you, but I'm not sure how to the define the moment that Jinwoo went with the flow and did let Sangtae kiss him, and did he push his backside himself in ch 10 pg. 28? just something about his behaviour in ch10 in the last pages bugged me...
I couldn't have said it better! You saved me from writing, really. Everything was definitely non consensual, and during the whole manhwa i was really uncomfortable . The poor guy didn't deserve all that shit he has gone through just because of the selfish desires the seme has. No matter how much i try, i can't find the seme attractive at all when he's acting this way. I do want to continue reading tho, since i'm quite curious about the continuation.
First: IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESPOND, READ THE ENTIRE THING. Now:
There it is, Jinwoo DOES NOT like Sangtae, he's being forced. He's trying to leave his job and he says he "can't accept" staying near Sangtae anymore in case he "makes him weird". Did it feel good? Yes. That's why he's trying to get away, because his body reacts to Sangtae after all the forced touching. DO NOT romanticize this, it's clearly not in a good way. Did Jinwoo look happy at all this entire chapter? He tries to have sex with a woman, he's still straight, but he's being traumatized and his body is being trained from the repeated sexual assaults. Did/does he want it? No. It's a physical reaction to being touched while he's already horny. He's too embarrassed to have sex with his girlfriend... This shit going on has him TOO EMBARRASSED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND. Really let that sink in. Sangtae has literally psychologically scarred him now...
I see a lot of comments saying Jinwoo is "cheating and lying", what? Cheat and lie? He's not willingly having sex with Sangtae, did you not read this chapter? He makes it clear. He shouldn't have to tell anyone about being sexually assaulted and raped either... He's "lying" because he doesn't want to tell his girlfriend he's been sexually assaulted and raped by another man... These are problems seriously weighing on him and he wants to get away from Sangtae, again, he explicitly says that the reason he wants to quit his job is: "to get away from Sangtae even if the fantasies continue". It's not the fantasies anymore guys, he wants away from SANGTAE, tell me how he's falling now? This type of situation and you guys' reaction to it is exactly why it's such a huge problem that there aren't any male sexual abuse centers in the U.S. If you want to say Sangtae is hot, fine, say that. DO NOT try and argue that Jinwoo AT ALL wants what's happening or is AT ALL at fault.
Sangtae isn't to blame for the fantasies, but he IS to blame for the psychological damage and stress his words inflicted on Jinwoo BEFORE their relationship got sexual (remember those times where Sangtae rubbed it in Jinwoo's face when he got credit for his work and when he ripped Jinwoo's face off/said snarky comments to Jinwoo at work because the fantasties forced him to leave? Only to find out that Jinwoo had actually already done a lot of the work?), and now he is to blame for the psychological scarring he's inflicted on this helpless straight guy he sexually assaulted and raped. Having a crush doesn't give you the right to have sex with someone who is clearly not appreciating your touch and, no, Jinwoo showing him his dick didn't justify the first sexual assault... If you actually read the chapter and understand the flow of events you'll see that Sangtae was implying Jinwoo needs psychiatric help when he told Sangtae that he knows he's gay because he sees his fantasies. Jinwoo decided to prove it by telling Sangtae all his kinks, Sangtae said "how do you know those aren't just your fantasies" and THIS is when Jinwoo explains that the fantasies don't happen like normal fantasies, "they're like a constant porn loop that plays in my head." -whips out dick- "do your fantasies make you like this?". He's showing that the fantasies aren't like normal fantasies where you can just calm down and they'll go away, he had to show this by showing how his body literally WONT calm down. Even putting that aside, by the logic of "he showed Sangtae his dick, so Sangtae is justified in getting horny and sexually assaulting him", doctors are allowed to have sex with you, all your gym classmates are allowed to have sex with you, all the civilians in the YMCA lockers are allowed to have sex with you. Do you see how flawed that logic is? No, getting horny isn't a justified reason to touch someone... He didn't show Sangtae his dick to make him horny, he showed him his dick to prove the fantasies aren't normal. Just like if you get changed in the locker room while facing and talking to a friend you aren't "giving them a show", if they get horny, that's on them.
For those of you who want to argue that Sangtae is "just trying to help", look at ch 10, pg 22. This is where Sangtae first tries to say he should "help" Jinwoo, now look at Sangtae's eyes while he says "well, now that i found out i'm obligated to help. You said it, it's my fault", he's LOOKING AWAY... HE doesn't even think he sounds believable. Let's look at a few other things here. Look at pg 19 UP TILL 22, notice how BEFORE he offers to "help" while looking away he goes from being calm and collected while talking to Jinwoo to blushing and "badump"ing? He got horny, hugged (i say hugged, but that sounds cute, he was just jumping Jinwoo in a fit of horniness) Jinwoo from behind and then offered to "help" while looking away... Now that that's been put aside. Let's look at 3 pages, 22 and 23 first. In 22 you see Sangtae touch him and 23 you see Jinwoo go to say that the fantasies stopped, but before he can even finish his sentence or even react to what's about to happen Sangtae yanks his pants down. Now look at pg 36, Jinwoo says "i-i told you to stop. The fantasies stop when you touch me... Is what i was trying to say". Jinwoo just said that ALL that needs to happen to stop the fantasies is for Sangtae to TOUCH him, not sexually. Meaning, the NEXT time he assaults Jinwoo in the station stall he KNOWS what he's doing. Jinwoo TOLD him. Finally, let's look at the end of pg 36 where Sangtae says "oh... Is that right? Sorry... I would have finished sooner if i knew...", that's an awful lot of pausing... It's almost like he's lying, right? In the same way he was when he offered to "help" when he was really just horny. If you thought so too, you're right because even Jinwoo calls him on his shit and says "bullshit". Jinwoo says HIMSELF that he doesn't believe Sangtae would've stopped, he KNOWS Sangtae is taking advantage. On the train Sangtae could've just put a hand on Jinwoo's shoulder to help him, but instead he gets visibly horny, pulls him off the train, PUSHES HIM DOWN onto the toilet and then forces Jinwoo while he CLEARLY protests this time (guys, he fingered Jinwoo, there was penetration. It's rape BY DEFINITION). While in the 1st sexual assault scene Jinwoo was pretty explicit in not wanting what was happening, the stall scene is even more so, to the point that there is no arguing it wasn't rape. Jinwoo is a lot more vocal about his irritation.
Hopefully this chapter was enough for the sympathizers to realize, this is NOT some light-hearted "oh he's just being a tease" romance about a straight guy falling for a gay guy. This is a manga about a straight guy who can't help but get horny around his gay co-worker, not because he likes him, but because magic, and a gay guy who has a crush on said straight guy and takes advantage of his crush's situation to sexually assault and rape him because he knows he can't help but feel good. It has explicitly shown that Jinwoo is physically incapacitated by the fantasies, he literally can't even work, so of course he doesn't punch Sangtae/hit him off... In other words, date rape with comedy thrown in to make you not want to hate the sexy Sangtae. The comedy and the crush are just plot devices to make you wonder if you SHOULD hate Sangtae. The comedy specifically is literally JUST there for damage control, "don't hate Sangtae TOO much, don't take Jinwoo's pain TOO serious, if you do this story will be REALLY dark~". Jinwoo doesn't want it and gets upset after each time, he wonders "how am i going to tell my girlfriend" and even has trouble with sex. He's a straight guy traumatized by being sexually assaulted and raped by his gay co-worker. Okay, i think that should do it, bye. ╮(￣▽￣)╭