Just Don't

Yeah~ Yule and Kyungsoo looked “peaceful” in the background? I guess it is Yule? (^w^)

That hair is definitely yule's. it's not hyuk.

In Yule's perspective he probably does think he "loves" Kyun-soo, it's more of an obsession, a dependency though than the type of care and affection you would want/expect though. I think Yule is just a "troubled" person, to say the least, and he doesn't seem to understand how he should be behaving, and why his behaviour is harmful. In the early scenes of their relationship he was more "normal" and nice, but then he started to get controlling. In the middle part of the plot, he needed his sister to tell hi that he should do more personal/caring things for the person he apparently loves, like when he went to buy Kyun-soo the pastries that he likes. There are occasions where Yule expresses his "love" in a more usual way, like listening to Kyun-soo complain about the dishes and he tries to wash up, or when they were sleeping he let Kyun-soo use his arm as a rest, but ultimately these are pretty mundane things, it's only because the context is so abusive that they stand out. Yule constantly mentions that he loves Kyun-soo, he is envious over Kyun-soo sleeping with Dong-hyuk, that he never thought they split up etc, but none of this is taking on board Kyun-soo's feelings, it's all very one sided. Kyun-soo stayed with Yule, because he was trying to protect Dong-hyuk. He also started to view himself as toxic, and that he turns people into these abusers, so doesn't want to "taint" DH. This is why I think Kyun-soo ending up with Yule would be the most likely option, but this has already been discussed. For simplistic closure, a "what if" ending with Yule really is needed. Towards the end Yule finally said that he raped Kyun-soo, so even if he did not believe it himself, he at least was now aware of how his behaviour was regarded by Kyun-soo. It would be positive to see his perspective, to see him receive treatment for his mental illness, and to hopefully be able to apologise to Kyun-soo. Reading back, their early relationship is shown throughout the webtoon in snippets, it was Kyun-soo's first relationship, and he did love Yule at one point, which is maybe why he feels he would still need to support him when he got released from hospital, or he feels that by staying with Yule it is protecting him from harming others, or that Kyun-soo himself feels he is not deservant of any other life rather than this miserable one with Choi Yule...

I read through the webtoon a few times, and there was still one thing I still did not get. Yule was quite aware that he was scum and he told Kyungsoo that a switch inside him was flipped, so he went and orchestrated that gang rape to cause Kyungsoo to leave him. So yes, Kyungsoo would definitely leave after being so horribly betrayed and traumatised like that. Yule even said goodbye to Kyungsoo when he was crying profusely in the motel/hotel room after being gangraped. At that moment, Yule had a chance to try and fix or do something for Kuungsoo, but he said goodbye. So yeah, Yule ended the relationship between them and even if he did not, duhness, what can Yule expect after the bullshit he just did? Anyone would leave after being gangraped. I already wrote out what I thought Yule had as a mental disorder pages ago on here, so I don’t want to bore people again...so it is like everything Yule does is to test Kyungsoo’s love and dependency on him and it is not even love, it is a need to possess and control Kyungsoo. Yule is self-destructive like with BPD, but then when he saw Kyungsoo actually leave him, he decided to go after Kyungsoo again. IMO, I honestly think it is a need to control and possess Kyungsoo as an object, to be at his beck and call and to have someone to repeatedly rape, not because he loves Kyungsoo.

Dong-Hyuk is similar in terms of being obsessive/possessive— he did not care about Kyungsoo. He turned out to view Kyungsoo as a sex object. After all, he admitted to having sex with guys that had light hair colour and a pale complexion. Which, when you think about it, is quite shallow for a bloke who claims to love you. I think I couldn’t tolerate Dong-Hyuk as a character, I admit that I had hopes in him, but he turned out worse than Yule. He developed this inferiority complex after seeing Yule raped Kyungsoo and instead of getting therapy for PTSD, he (surprise, surprise) became a rapist like Kyungsoo and even tried to kill him. ~___~; The more I analyse these characters, the more I think the open ending was the best— he ends up with no one. However, I guess we will have to wait and see with Yule’s ending. Just please, author, do not make Kyungsoo into a sex toy in Yule’s ending, he has suffered far more than enough. ( T﹏T )

Agree. I think he thought Kyung-soo would come running after him, rather than the reality of what happened, ie Kyung-soo dropping out of university, moving house and changing his contact details to try and get away from him. It really does seem like Yule has trouble understanding behaviour and empathising. He seems to dissociate when he thinks back to how he abused Kyung-soo, viewing himself as an outsider/witness to the scene rather than a perpetrator. It's like he treats human relationships a bit robotically... like when he viewed Kyung-soo as being broken, and that he broke him because of his crying, or that he needs to be told by his sister to do the most mundane, nice and considerate things, and then it's about getting a positive reaction as the result. Yule, as you say does seem to be self destructive, and sabotages his relationships, yet still wants to experience his form of "love" meaning dependency and ownership. I share your opinion of not really being able to warm to Dong-hyuk, his character served as the purpose of being a "rival" for the plot, but his development, from naive straight guy to rapist who was immediately insecure about Kyung-soo not being a virgin, and never seemed to but Kyung-soo's needs first, was not something to sympathis with. Hopefully, if the next "what if" chapter covers a scenario with Yule, we will get some closure. Ideally Kyug-soo would end up with neither of the three men, but that seems unlikely, so from a plots perspective, Yule as the person he ends up miserable with was most believable.

No just no how could you guys say hyuk turned more fucked up than yule. I just can't accept it. Hyuk slept with other guys probably because kyungsoo left him and that opened up a hole in him that he was trying to fill. Also did hyuk ever rape kyungsoo. I'm curious which scene are you talking about? was it the time when kyungsoo escaped from yule's house and went to hyuks house? I felt like that was fucked up but not really the magnitude what yule did (gangrape by friends) and his brother did (5 days of torture and pain). also the part where he tries to kill kyungsoo i think it was quite merciful even though i truly feel he should not have decided to kill kyungsoo just to give him escape from the fucked up life he had. everyone should decide what to do with their life so in that part hyuk fucked up. to end kyungsoos life it is a choice only kyungsoo can make.

Mizu mentioned that it would be nice to see an ending where Kyungsoo finishes his university degree since Yule made him dropped out. I would like to see that too. Haha, everyone knows by now that Yule is psychopathic and he definitely has empathy issues. I am not trying to defend him but just pointing out that he likely grew up in a household where he was being ostracised for his mother’s death so his sense of love and empathy are either absent or dysfunctional to say the least. Yes, dissociation is the word. He seems to dissociate himself from reality in order to avoid blame or to come to terms with his actions. It was not until he saw in front of him that Kyungsoo could die, then he did some...rather late poor self-reflection of his past/current actions towards Kyungsoo.

To be concise, Yule’s motivation for nearly all of his actions is to be able to possess and control Kyungsoo which is his interpretation of “love” based on dependency and ownership as you’ve stated. In a nutshell, Yule is selfish and self-serving.

I get that Dong-Hyuk was supposed to serve as a rival, but I felt like the way he turned out (shallow, reckless, and a homicidal rapist) made the readers (at least me) re-evaluated things and thought Yule was...slightly better. I don’t know if it was the author’s intention or not...or it is just my interpretation, but by bringing in Geon (brother) and Dong-Hyuk as rivals, their actions towards Kyungsoo (violent rapist, oh god, I do not want to be reminded of those chapters) and homicidal rapist...made Yule seemed “better.” But quite honestly, it was a matter of “who was the least painful or the least arsehole” to choose from. What do you think?

I felt like it was so unfair of how Dong-Hyuk viewed Kyungsoo and treated him so I did not care much about his character. Instead of empathising and helping Kyungsoo to heal after witnessing Yule raped Kyungsoo and knowing Kyungsoo was gangraped, everything Kyungsoo did was out of his concern and love for Dong-Hyuk... Dong-Hyuk is like, well, “you already slept with guys before me so that justifies me sleeping with random guys with no attachment, oh and to top if off, they have to have your physical characteristics/traits.” Also, Kyungsoo fainted or collapsed from the ongoing sex he had with Dong-Hyuk and his response? To continue and penetrate Kyungsoo while he is unconscious. I am sorry, but that was a total WTF to me. Dong-Hyuk is just insecure and doesn’t love Kyungsoo...he just views Kyungsoo as a “pretty sex object,” which is sad because Kyungsoo has love for him in order to protect and endure things for him. I am not sure if Kyungsoo still loves him since I have not seen Dong-Hyuk’s ending yet. But we will see... so author, please allow closure for the readers. (/TДT)/

This scene here is the one that is being referred to. Yule is trying to protect Dong-Hyuk, from Yule, and himself (as he sees) by distancing himself from him and getting ready to leave. Dong-hyuk, then due to his own selfish needs to "own" Kyung-soo then rapes him, never thinking about Kyung-soo, just like what happened with Yule. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hogu_hagyeongsu/mf/iur_chapter-63/pg-1/

*made a mistake with the names. The 2nd sentence should read "Kyung-soo is trying to protect..." not Yule! (▰˘◡˘▰)

I did not say Dong-Hyuk was more fucked up than Yule. All three of them have their own varying degrees of “fucked upness.” It is how *I* interpreted it, that his actions made Yule seemed “better.” But all three are messed up in the head. It is just their actions are being compared relative to each other. We all have preferences/favourites...so I would not push what I think on you, we are just discussing/analysing things. (⌒▽⌒)

Heheness, we discussed Yule a lot that he got to us. XD I have a friend whose name begins with “Yu” so the other day I accidentally called him Yule. Haha, an awkward silence ensued. Like literally...this expression (⊙…⊙ ).

Some good points. On a lesser note, it seemed like Kyung-soo dropped out of university/moved away (understandably) at age 21, but we don't know how long he was with Yule before this, just that he was his first relationship.

Ah don't worry <3. I'm not mad at you for expressing your opinion. I just had to say that to explain hyuks side of the story and yes it does seem he raped kyungsoo too (which is unbearable T_T). But i'd still feel much safer with hyuk that yule or his brother.

Actually wait can you guys tell me what happened in the stairs though (i feel like it's suppose to be one of the most important scenes in the manhwa). In one version when kyungsoo says hi yule just ignores and goes back. and in another version when kyungsoo says hi yule actually smiles and says hi back? If my memory is correct i think i saw these 2 versions of the stairs scene so which one is right or does it even signify something?

Yeah, Yule was his first...everything, really. It was the first time he was dating someone. Maybe they met during university days...like around 16-20 y/o? Sorryness, I do not know. The stairs scene was at a university, right?

Thank you~ I am relieved. Ugh, there are other readers/posters that accuse and lash out at you for voicing your opinions on this website. Smh. (￣へ￣）

That’s understandable. I would feel safe if Kyungsoo was on a private island, resting, enjoying the breeze with everything behind him, haha.

I felt that the author had an issue with the narrative aspect of this webtoon, like portraying pieces of a scene at different chapters was hard to digest or connect for me. So maybe @clouds could explain better for you than me?

But I will try: you are right, there were two scenes shown and I think they are two perspectives shown, Kyungsoo and Yule. The first is what we see in Kyungsoo’s POV: he worked up the courage to say hi to Yule, Yule ignores him and walks away, and we see Kyungsoo clutching his chest, well, shirt, to try and calm down because his HR was increasing. (Can I just add how totally adorable and innocent Kyungsoo was...like AWW, his innocent smile and how he blushed when he said hi to Yule?)

Anyways, the second scene from Yule’s POV: same thing as with Kyungsoo’s POV except maybe this time, when Kyungsoo wasn’t paying attention to Yule since he was trying to calm himself down or Yule looked back at Kyungsoo after walking away and then smiled and said hi. I don’t know...the author did not draw out a lot for us to go on...but honestly, I think the scene from Yule’s POV was to show that he “regretted” not saying hi to Kyungsoo back then and now realises what he wanted to do back then was smile and say hi back to Kyungsoo. I mean, Yule was self-reflecting, so he could have made up anything in his mind haha.

Call me immature, haha, but this scene looked like he was masturbating to Kyungsoo
(￣∇￣") Sorryness, haha. His other hand. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hogu_hagyeongsu/mf/iur_chapter-67/pg-39/

@clouds Help~I prolly interpreted wrong, haha

Yeah the stairs scene seems like when he first laid eyes on yule in university. P.S. I don't last out on good people. you seemed really nice and you get your point across without being rude or disrespectful. You have a good quality like kyungsoo too. :3

your interpretation makes sense. :3 Yule is so conflicting character *internal screaming*. I just don't even know how to feel about him anymore. Sometimes i feel like he may just have emotions.. but then i remember the past and feel like no never mind. T_T

I had a horrible experience this week when this person was accusing me of having an argumentative attitude and stalking their replies. Like seriously? I was reiterating, hence agreeing with them and I reply to other topics too. Smh. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

So, thank you, you are really nice too. You’re a sweetie. <3ness.