Nemu No No No

xryska August 2, 2019 11:51 am

Say what you like. Nemu did not treat Maya good. If you have insecurities you do not punish the other party like that. He make Maya think that they were over and he really continue with his life "because he was so busy with work" while Maya was unable to function properly. Who should feel more insecure after that? Maya while being possessive he never (in their mature stage) try to manipulate Nemu to stop him from doing something he liked. It would be like he would fight with him over the good relationship he has with some of his students. But he did not interfere with the job that Nemu likes and he trust him. But while Maya found an interesting and fulfilling work and a business partner Nemu started to create problems about of thin air because the business partner told him the thing we all know and even have a saying "love may not last, friendship lasts for ever". If you are not sure about your relationship, if you think you are a boring person, if you are insecure then communicate in a healthy way, don't crash the other person's feelings and disappear. What did Maya did these last months of their life to deserve such a treatment? Who loves more, Maya who is heartbroken or Nemu that while was the cause continues his life quite nice? And I know that they will come back together, but again it will be Maya's actions. Maya lost his financial easy in order not to leave Nemu (as I write in another post if Nemu's mother was the one that found out Nemu would separate from him in milliseconds). Maya was always proud to be with Nemu and wanting him to stay as he is. He didn't mind if his clothes were trendy or stupid things like that. He loves Nemu as Nemu, and does not care about other things. He just wanted to find something interesting and fulfilling for a job and interesting people to do it with. Ruka was clear that he does not have a love interest for Maya. And even if he did where is Nemu's trust towards his partner. Ok you are insecure about you, but what you think about the one you love for a long time. That he plays with you, that he lies, that he is a no good two-timing bastard that will leave you like that? This is the first manga where I really feel bad about the Seme. And if someone say " oh but he forced him when they were in school the first time" then go drink your warm milk kitties. If someone force you to have sex and after sometime when he stops contacting you and you chase after him with lonely eyes wanting him back.... Yeah right. And Maya even apologized and even the never-having-a-clue Nemu said "what are you saying, we are together so if I had a problem how we could be together". Maya you can do better, find someone that appreciates not only your body or your face or what you give them, but also cherish your ambitions and your dreams and respect s all of you

Responses
    god isn't real August 2, 2019 12:20 pm

    You're seeing Maya with super rose-tinted glasses, he has been super possessive of Nemu and super jealous, he has tried to prevent Nemu from getting close to others and joining clubs at university, he yells everytime Nemu tries to talk to him, he LIED about meeting Ruka for an entire night (any sane person would believe this is cheating), and he gets upset when Nemu doesn't behave the way he expects him too. And Ruka doesn't just talk about seeing Maya as a non-love interest, he attacks Maya and Nemu's relationship saying that even air goes stale. Reread the last few volumes. And just because Nemu is handling the break better than Maya doesn't mean that he's living nicely, you must be very young to think that if someone looks ok, then they must be living it up. Read some of the comments explaining why Nemu asked for a break, what Nemu is doing is a healthy thing. If it was up to Maya, they would've stayed in a toxic relationship where they can't communicate to each other and eventually break up.

    god isn't real August 2, 2019 12:21 pm

    Repost of another comment:

    You can tell how young and inexperienced the commenters are based on how they don't understand Nemu's actions. It's spelled out right in this chapter, plus combined with Ruka's attempts to break them up and Maya's refusal to talk about anything that makes him uncomfortable (lying about Ruka is very suspicious even to very trusting couples, and refusing to talk about his previous breakups and getting mad at Nemu for even bringing it up is not good). All players here are guilty and it has led to one big miscommunication to a very insecure and unsure character, Nemu. Nemu taking a step back to reevaluate his own behavior instead of going nuclear is actually a healthy thing to do. Maya reacting they way he has does suck, but that doesn't mean that Nemu has to sacrifice figuring things out for himself and his mental health just to make Maya stop being depressed. Maya also needs to take a step back and reevaluate how he seems to only be willing to talk once things have already blown up, as opposed to just not shutting down talking when Nemu barely voices his concerns. And Nemu needs to learn to speak up when he does have concerns rather than let them build up and not let small things concern him so much, as he is trying to figure out now.

    Dancing pumpkin August 2, 2019 12:54 pm

    Wow I cant even read your comment without laughing. How in the world do you think Nemu is in the wrong here. Maya has been the one who lied to him, fallen asleep during his birthday, being defensive whenever nemu voices his concerns. Maya doesn't understand how insecure nemu is and how hard it feels when your boyfriend is being distant and having fun with other people. Maya knows how nemu feels insecure when ever he is around ruka but instead of talking it out and explaining how much he loves him. He goes and lies to him and avoids the question. Nemu obviously needed a break to think about his relationship because how shitty he has been feeling over the last chapters. Of course nemu has been acting possessive towards maya. But can you blame him, how would you feel if your boyfriend was drifting farther away from you. Maya and nemu need to learn how to voice their wants and worries more often. I feel they resolve too many of their problems with sex and cuddling.

    Dancing pumpkin August 2, 2019 1:07 pm
    Wow I cant even read your comment without laughing. How in the world do you think Nemu is in the wrong here. Maya has been the one who lied to him, fallen asleep during his birthday, being defensive whenever ne... Dancing pumpkin

    Also the literal theme if this manga is success is nothing if you have nobody to celebrate it with. How the f are you trying to say that maya should find someone who respects his ambitions. Maya should not sacrifice the insecurities of others in order to gain success.

    Mrs.Okumara August 2, 2019 2:02 pm

    Both of them are at fault for what's happening and you both just listed the reason why both parties are to blame :/

    xryska August 2, 2019 2:30 pm
    You're seeing Maya with super rose-tinted glasses, he has been super possessive of Nemu and super jealous, he has tried to prevent Nemu from getting close to others and joining clubs at university, he yells eve... god isn't real

    I think is vice versa. You seem to identify with Nemu so yoy do not see the error of his ways. Maya was possesive in the past when he was younger, but he become better at it as time gone by, he matured. He accepted Nemu's good friend (who is gay thus a reason to be concerned) and does not investigate why Nemu is close to any of his student. in fact he supports Nemu's dreams and even help him realize them. The reason he didnt say anything about Ruka is that he knows Nemu is full of insecurities that cannot be justified. Ruka attacks, what are you 12? Nemu if Maya cannot give him all of his time becomes crazed. Ruka simply says "Chill bro, I am a friend, i will be here even if you are not". He should not have said it of-course, not very polite, but Nemu asked him if he likes Maya, Was that polite to say to somebody? That he may have a hidden impure agenda? Oh trust me I am not young at all. Of course everyone handles a sentimental hardship differently but here the issue is "WHO CAUSE the break". The one that does not communicate and suddenly explodes is Nemu. Maya is always quite clear about what he thinks. For sex, for relationship, for work, for family. Even about the "I love you" that Maya does not express, Nemu was always "i know him, I do not want to press him to say it, i will not ask". When he is boiling due to his own insecurities and fears he asks and when Maya told him he thinks "This is forced". Really dude? Just because you are unable to communicate and managed these years only to mature a bit in sex, but still think of yourself as lacking dont suddenly wreck the world of someone who works his ass of because he stood up for you in front of his father and believes that everything is ok because he does not have a clue that his partner is a pessimistic who thinks he is boring and acts insecure

    xryska August 2, 2019 2:42 pm
    Wow I cant even read your comment without laughing. How in the world do you think Nemu is in the wrong here. Maya has been the one who lied to him, fallen asleep during his birthday, being defensive whenever ne... Dancing pumpkin

    OH MY GOD he fell asleep because he was working for a lot of hours?!? He really did that?!!! Oh that heartless bastard! He was defensive when his partner whithout any justification is jealous of his work or his work partners? So if I am an overbearing person who thinks too little about my self my lover should understand and cut all ties with friends and coworkers, stop his work, find something boring (stay a waiter in Maya's case) that does not occupy him for many hours so that I must feel safe and do not have these sudden outbursts. And sorry, if my partner is e.g. a doctor and has to do his internship and I do not see him as much as I used in Uni I will not crash his mentality or his dreams be quitly feeling bad because I think i am boring or ugly or stupid for him and then suddenly boom tell him i need a break because I feel a distance with him and I do not ask him but I suprise him in order to break his spirit. Maya communicates just fine. When he have to say something he sais it, right or wrong. The only thing he did not say is that he was at Ruka's home. Because he understands Nemu's insecurities, but he didn't thing that he was gone balistic in his mind.

    god isn't real August 2, 2019 2:43 pm
    I think is vice versa. You seem to identify with Nemu so yoy do not see the error of his ways. Maya was possesive in the past when he was younger, but he become better at it as time gone by, he matured. He ac... xryska

    Both Nemu and Maya have flaws and communication issues, I've said that so I don't see how I have a rosey outlook towards Nemu. Nemu is too timid and holds back too much for me to identify with him, so that's not it either. Nemu's inability to communicate is a huge factor in why this blew up, but his insecurities are rooted in Maya refusing to communicate when Nemu actually tries to communicate. From your comments, it's clear your quite blind for Maya so I see no point in trying to convince you of this. Just know that your views of this break and of Maya's and Nemu's responses to the breaks show that you lack experience with healthy relationships and what mental health looks like.

    god isn't real August 2, 2019 2:46 pm

    Seriously, reread the story, don't rely solely on this last chapter to make your judgments. You're missing out a whole lot in terms of how Maya treated Nemu and how Nemu became so insecure. Also, Maya's done the same things Nemu does here, why is it so unacceptable when Nemu does it?

    xryska August 2, 2019 2:49 pm

    All of your arguments (people who stand for Nemu) is that "yes he did that BUT he is cute and insecure and fears of losing maya and cannot communicate so it is ok for him to act like that, Maya should feed his pessimism, read his mind and do everything to ease the unexpressed insecurites of his lover and it is Ruka's fault so Maya is to blame". Not one word about a person who has not shown a hint of being bored, infidel, uncaring or looking down on his partner even if he is the tall, handsome, modern and smart one

    god isn't real August 2, 2019 2:57 pm
    All of your arguments (people who stand for Nemu) is that "yes he did that BUT he is cute and insecure and fears of losing maya and cannot communicate so it is ok for him to act like that, Maya should feed hi... xryska

    ... wow, you've got it bad for Maya. Good luck with whatever is going on there.

    xryska August 2, 2019 2:57 pm
    Seriously, reread the story, don't rely solely on this last chapter to make your judgments. You're missing out a whole lot in terms of how Maya treated Nemu and how Nemu became so insecure. Also, Maya's done th... god isn't real

    I read all the story this last month, so I have not forget it. I do not rely on this last chapter at all. This is why I say that while Maya matured in all aspects, Nemu only matured in sex and for his finding a carreer path (I think even Maya help him realize that). Of course these people now are nothing like they were when at school. For example Nemu had another meltdown about Ruka, and while he met him, liked him, cleared the air, he repeat the same story. Maya has come to trust him now, Nemu does not trust him. Maya from quite sometime understood that exams, family are causing issue to Nemu about availability. When Maya start to have something work related that consumes his energy and time Nemu cannot do the same. He is the center of Maya's life so it is always about him, it is not about Maya finding his way and become complety independent from the family that does not wish him to be gay.

    xryska August 2, 2019 3:04 pm
    ... wow, you've got it bad for Maya. Good luck with whatever is going on there. god isn't real

    Sorry but in adultworld in which I live a had to work for 12 and 16 hours. I had to deal with wanting to see my partner but could not. So if I had someone nagging and not saying nothing for quite sometime but suddenly while I think that everything is ok he asks for a break because I do not care for him and find him boring and my coworker wants me, especially if I cherish the other part and being in love without thinking of infidelity or anything bad about my lover I would be more than furious. I simply see someone who really gives his all and had his heart crushed with no good excuse. Even if he does something wrong speak nice and make him realize it. And yes I wish I had someone like Maya. I am like Nemu and I always thought I lack in everything, but that does not mean that I will push all my insecurities to someone that not just loves me but treats me so preciously. Of course I will never have but hey that's life

    alleons August 2, 2019 3:09 pm

    you sound like a potential home wrecker, like your life goal is to come swooping in on the tired perfect husband and save him from his dull wife cause you think shes not good enough for him and she drags him down. you on some god complex shit man

    xryska August 2, 2019 3:13 pm
    you sound like a potential home wrecker, like your life goal is to come swooping in on the tired perfect husband and save him from his dull wife cause you think shes not good enough for him and she drags him d... alleons

    Are you on drugs or something? We are discussing about a fictional romance and the reactions of the couple and because I do not agree with the one partner's actions I am a home wrecker? J Christ people should really start to use their brains a little. What I wrecked is your little fantasy. Oh do not worry, I will not magical enter the manga and seduce Maya. Really unbelievable.....

    god isn't real August 2, 2019 3:16 pm
    Sorry but in adultworld in which I live a had to work for 12 and 16 hours. I had to deal with wanting to see my partner but could not. So if I had someone nagging and not saying nothing for quite sometime bu... xryska

    Dude, Maya yells at Nemu EVERYTIME Nemu brings up a concern (in the last few volumes especially), of course it's going to seem like it came out of nowhere, he refused to listen. Nemu should have insisted on speaking his concerns, but being yelled at kind of scares that shit off. Anyway, the bottom line is that Maya and Nemu seriously fucked up at their communication, which is the backbone of any relationship. Nemu was right to take a break, Maya was refusing to listen until Nemu could no longer bear it AND Nemu was getting more possessive, which he did not want, he doesn't want to jeopardize Maya's needs and wants. It's not like Maya intentionally didn't want to listen, he obviously has some issues regarding this with his previous relationships. But excusing Maya fully while going ham on Nemu is just hypocritical, both of them contributed to this mess.

    xryska August 2, 2019 3:17 pm
    you sound like a potential home wrecker, like your life goal is to come swooping in on the tired perfect husband and save him from his dull wife cause you think shes not good enough for him and she drags him d... alleons

    Ah also you are really damaged if you think that if a husband is leaving his wife it is not his fault (and/or his wifes) but it is the fault of the third person. Are you an old hag from 1950? If someone have separate himself from a relationship and is "available" it is his fault, life is not a manga where innocent people are seduced

    xryska August 2, 2019 3:40 pm
    Dude, Maya yells at Nemu EVERYTIME Nemu brings up a concern (in the last few volumes especially), of course it's going to seem like it came out of nowhere, he refused to listen. Nemu should have insisted on spe... god isn't real

    I just gone through all of chapter 8 so that I can be sure that I am not forgetting things. Two times was Maya angry. The first time was when Nemu asked about that time at Ruka's while he knew and Maya asked him "if you knew why do you ask, are you testing me, you think I am having an affair?". And Nemu's issue is that "why he is angry with this and he did not get angry when I lost the ring" (really?) . And Maya even said that he was sorry but the problem is that in reality he does not want to have to hide anything and he wants them to speak openly, not testing eachother. Also yes, since you know, you go and say "Ruka just said that... why you did not tell me"? The second time was what they were about to have sex that suddenly Nemu asks "Why did you separate before" and of course Maya is shocked. OF course this is not the time and the place to just ask something like this that it might be painfull or strange for someone to talk. And what are we saying, that if they were relaxed drinking coffee somewhere and Nemu was asking about his previous relationships (this is how you started such a conversation) Maya would be resonable. Also in the first case (Ruka - Ring) Maya said something in the line "i do not want to see you right now" and again Maya was the bigger man that try to fix things. So all this time Nemu is boiling but DID NOT communicate, just popped strange questions out of the blue (for Maya who is not a telepath and does not now that Nemu lost ring, Maya who is not a psycho of course will not be mad -> Nemu thinks that Maya does not care since he does not act as a crazy man to such a thing).. Again I am asking... Really?!?!?

    xryska August 2, 2019 4:06 pm
    Dude, Maya yells at Nemu EVERYTIME Nemu brings up a concern (in the last few volumes especially), of course it's going to seem like it came out of nowhere, he refused to listen. Nemu should have insisted on spe... god isn't real

    Ok look. I do not want to have some big fallout about our different opinions. People tend to like what they can relate to. If you are more like Maya you might take his side, if you are more like Nemu you take his. Why we have to take sides? No reason, simple criticism. I am related to Nemu. I am always lacking, not great looking, with many insecurities. At the exact same period of my life as the protagonists (uni and beginning of work) I was in a relationship playing the Nemu. I really tried to communicate, to not nag, to support the other, to be reasonable and giving all I had without questioning my self or the other person. That other person was not Maya. He could not accept my not great looks (even if he was not anything special either), he did not help or support me and he was really always looking about a great-sexy body. Even in that scenario I learn not to be overbearing, to speak calmy and politely, to see the other's person point of view. I mature through this a lot. If I had someone caring and honest and loving like Maya all my efforts would have meaning (ok maturing is also good for future time but at the time it seemed that everything was in vain). So I am not just blindly fall in love with a fictional character and crazy talk about him. I have been there in Nemu's shoes and I struggle like crazy to make myself better, more secure, relaxed and communicative. That is why when I see Maya's efforts and deep feelings I sympathize

    Dancing pumpkin August 3, 2019 5:19 am
    Ok look. I do not want to have some big fallout about our different opinions. People tend to like what they can relate to. If you are more like Maya you might take his side, if you are more like Nemu you take h... xryska

    Wow it crazy how much you learn from other people's stories in the comments. Even though we dont have the same opinion, I can see where you are coming from. You seem mature and want to balance a career and love life at the same time. However, most people in the comments only want to maximize the love portion of their relationship. I side with nemu because I'm a thirsty teen who knows how it feels to be lonely and insecure. However, I can see how sad maya must feel for the love of his life leaving him because of his dream job. Love is more complicated than this fuking story and I'm kinda sad how invested I am in a mediocre manga. Btw respect for all the people who type comments on phones bc typing this was a nightmare.