Hyunjin's haters

exactly

So true!

Hyunjin was toxic. If you really don't think he was toxic and manipulative the you seriously need to see a psychologist. A lot of people is not hating on Hyunjin just to hate but he seriously has major character flaws and it is not addressed at all in this story. A relationship is about rusting your partner despite how you feel. If you have to go about manipulating situations to get your lover or if you don't trust your partner to cheat on you then what is the purpose of being in a relationship? If you do not trust your partner you have no reason to be in a relationship.

I was about to consider your reply but then you suddenly went to attack me personally by saying that I needed to see a psychologist. That was just plain shit and rude of you. Like I said, if you're considering that he's toxic, then all people in real life are. He made a mistake and so are everybody. That's toxic then? Then okay. You people are so into judging everyone who makes mistake and so eager to call them toxic when you probably did a lot of wrongdoings too. We all are toxic in our way. There are no people without sins. You literally live in the fairytale world that only 'innocent' people like Sunwoo deserve a happy ending and second chance and that's just so unrealistic. I am not even justifying his wrong behavior. I am just saying that he didn't deserve this much hate when he himself was hurt with all of this.
Honestly, calling someone 'toxic' and judging someone by a single mistake has become a trend nowadays, and a lot of you perfect people are riding that bandwagon.

Even some criminals change after given second chances and this people just won't give Hyunjin that. Seriously, stop making disney love stories your basis in relationships. Not everyone has a perfectly healthy relationship yet they still managed.

if you think personal attacks over fiction is okay then i think you should be the one to visit a psychologist

What fantasy am I living? The deniers claiming that Hyujin wasn't toxic are living in a fantasy where they don't think that people being manipulative is not toxic. But I digress. I am not a kid who believed in fairytails anymore. I am long gone past that stage. And nowhere in my comment did I defend sunwoo because sometimes he was just as manipulative. So try again if you think I am trying to take sides. And you say he made one mistake when he was this way the entire series. How is that just one mistake? But whatever.

I don't mind going to a psychologist actually. Everyone needs to see a psychologist in my opinion be ause we all have fucmed up shit that we need to air out from our systems. If you think telling someone to go to see a psychologist is so bad then that is on you. Since when telling someone to see a psychologist to see how their mena health is doing is now considered bad?

The active word "some" criminals change. But explain how exactly has Hyunjin changed from his obssesive and manipulative behaviour from the beginning of the story to the end? Besides him being more open about his obsession what else in his personity did he change? Because I don't see anything else changing besides him becoming more manipulative closer to the ending of the story. And I actually hate sappy love stories generally but dislike even more when there is obvious toxic behaviour in a relationship and everyone drools about how great the relationship is and talking about it being "relationship goals". That kind of relationship is nothing to aspire to have. I am living in reality and not a fantasy, thank you very much. If I can't have a partner who is not toxic, I'd rather be single. And I am not talking about "perfectly healthy" relationships because there is no such thing as perfect. But I still acquire to have a healthy realtionship.

It's funny how you misunderstood my comment sa badly. Did I say he change? No. I'm saying that you're not giving him a chance to. Also, no one is drooling over their relationship. I am pretty much saying that he did mistakes and not justifying any of it. Idk how you were able to twist all of what I said just like that. And honestly, this is not about you. Just imagine if Sunwoo and Jungyeon are a real life couple. So instead of telling them that they should try to work it out, reflect on their mistakes, and get better, you'd tell them to just be single instead. Talking about ruining a not-so-healthy relationship when it still can be fixed. Lol, this is what I'm telling about being unrealistic.

The same way you say I am "twisting" things, you are also twisting my words. The active word I usef was "if it was me" I did not say othee should do what I do. You talk about me misunderstanding your comment but you do the same exact thing. And why should Hyunjin have any more chances to change when he had years to do that? He has been in a relationship which Hyunjin for years and yet he is still the same. Do you expect him to be given chances until thy kingdom come before he decides to change? Hyunjin himself almost ruined his relationship with his boyfriend because he was so insecure, manipulative and did he apologise for it? No. And he said he would apologise for what he did. How can you call that learning from his mistakes which would eventuay lead to him actually changing.

And you are talking about telling someone else in a real life setting but how many people do you know of who are comfortable enough to come out and tells you about their relationship problems and that it is toxic and askes you for advice? Although I have had a few people tell me their relationship issues but they just told me just so I could listen. Not everyone likes to discuss their personal relationship with others even if they are close family and friends. Besides, it is not my place to tell someone how to work out their relationship. This is fiction so everyone can have a say and opinion.

He was insecure because he had a reason to. First, you call him toxic and now you're removing him the right to feel something? Let's just stop here. It's so obvious that you have already settled a judgment on Hyunjin and that it cannot be changed anymore. You don't deserve my time and neither do I deserve yours. The bottomline? Jungyeon still chose him at the end despite of him being 'toxic'. So who won? His bashers or him? Still him. And you're right, this is a fiction so everyone has the right to express their opinion just like how this is kind of an open ending so perfect little shits can imagine that he never changes while others can imagine that he will some day. My point still stands. People hating on him are people that are living on fairytales and are dreaming for a perfect love story. Couples counseling exist for a reason because a lot of couples experience unhealthy relationships. Their relationship might be unhealthy but it's not impossible to still fix it. If they love each other and are really keen on trying to get better, then so be it.

His haters should really just say that they prefer Sunwoo and go.

I'm done here. Please leave my comment and make your own in which it tells how toxic he is for you. Thank you.

Do you hear yourself? Their relationship is unhealthy but that is okay because there is a "possibility" that he may change "some day". Even though they have been in a relationship for years but "some day" we'll wait for him to change. And you are talking about others living in a fairytail when you are the biggest culprit of living in a fairytail. And couple counciling can help people so much. It does not fix anything that is no longer fixable. And where in my comment did I say that I hate him? That is a very heavy word to use for a fictional character. There you go again putting words in my mouth again like you've been doing this entire thread. I simply dislike his personality and how toxic and manipulative he is, ai said nothing about hate.

And if you really can't handle someone commenting on your post why did you even comment? In the comment it is expected that people will respond and like your opinion. Or do you want comments that only agree with your opinion.

As you can see, I have already given your words acknowledgement. You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want as well. Even you yourself said that this is just fiction. I don't even know what you want now. None of my words did you consider but I consider some of yours. You're forcing your opinion on me and that can be a toxic behavior. Let's just say that their relationship is no longer fixable. Let's just say that he will never change. Let's just say that he's toxic. Let's say that all what you said are facts with psychological and moral evidences. Is that you want to hear? Will it make you happy that you "made me" agree with you? Okay, I agree with you so just stop already. It makes me sad how neither of us is 100% sure if he will ever change or not, if the counseling will help them or not, if their relationship will be better or worse. But it seems like you really believe that what all you said are facts. I'm literally just considering two routes for Hyunjin. A changed Hyunjin and an unchanged Hyunjin. But you immediately dismissed the POSSIBILITY of the former.

If I can't handle someone having an opposing opinion, I would've dismissed you since the very first time you replied to me. The reason why I wanted to ended this was because I didn't want this repetitive argument to go on further. But ofcourse you won't acknowldge that again. Lol

I said that Hyunjin CAN fucking change. I didn't say it like a fact like how you 100% believe that he won't. Unless we agree to disagree, this won't stop. I acknowledge your opinion and you can think all you want and you may be right, you may be wrong. I honestly don't fucking care anymore. This argument should honestly end coz we're on opposing sides and unless you consider that neither of us is right or wrong, it won't.

Let's just agree to disagree. Is that okay? This is honestly getting tiring and the cringe of arguing about fictional characters is getting into me. Lol
You made your point and I made mine. Let's end it here decently. :)

I never dismisses any of your points but it is not a logical point because how long are you going to wat for someone to change when they have already been in a relationship for some years. Are tou going to wait 5 years? 10 hears? 15 years? 20 years? How long would you wsit for someone who you've already been with for some years to change when they have shown you that they have not changed at all in the years you have already been with them? Let's say he was a cheater would you give him the benefit of the doubt and expect him to change his ways in the next 5 or 10 years because he has the possibility of changinf after you ha e been with this person for 5 years already? Although this example is a bit extreme but just give it slme thought. And I do not want you to agree with me just to agree because this is a discussion, I am releally not trying to argue with you over a fiction character but what I wrote is actually backed up by evidence.

And please look up the words "toxic relationship" and manipulation. And you clearly see the definitions would describe Hyunjin and his boyfriends relationship
It clearly tells you toxic relationship is characterised by a partner who displays certain behaviour that emotionally and physically (though not as frequently) affect their partner. And we see in the manga that Hyujim affected his boyfriend emotionally by stressing him ouy and making him feel somewhat guilty and worried about their relationship coming to an end using manipulation in many instances in the manga. That is not okay from a psychological viewpoint. That's being emotionally and mentally abusive. Do you have any idea how many people in these types of relationships have ended up mental and emotionally broken by their partners. So what I am saying is scientifically backed up. I am not speaking out from my ass. The longer a person tries to stay with people like this because they think they can be fixed or that they will some day change for them, eventually the person doing the waiting ends up being hurt. That is not right.

Okay, now you're just making an unnecessary argument. Didn't I agree already? What a keyboard warrior.

Did you even read what I wrote? My "arguments" are evident based but now you call me a "keyboard warrior" when I'm actualky statinf facts. Just admit you do not like what I am saying and don't like that I'm proving you wrong.

Also, I'm just talking about a possibility. I keep saying that I can't guarantee that he will change. But you keep on insisting that he 100% won't since waiting for the other partner is not an option for you. And just so you know, we're both right. Many unhealthy couples ended up breaking each other but some were able to actually worked it up. I am speaking from experience. I'm not into sharing personal life in the net but you made me. I was once in a toxic relationship. She literally threatened me that she'd kill herself if I leave, the reason why I stayed eventhough I don't want to anymore. I gave her many chances and she actually changed. Not justifying her behavior though just wanna show you how it is still possible for a toxic relationship to be fixed. Not that it's ideal of course. We're not together anymore but we broke up for a different reason. Just proves how not 100% of toxic relationships go downhill, coz my relationship wasn't one of those. We made it through because we both want to work the relationship up, just like Jungyeon and Hyunjin here.

Btw, I honestly apologize for being rude. But I just really wanna stop here coz you're bringing unnecessary drama in this thread. When all I want for us is to end this conversation and agree to disagree. Goodbye. You're already right, Ms. 100%-sure-backed-up-by-science. Let's both leave.